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    What Keeps You Watching?

    So I was reading over the SummerSlam thread last night and this morning and I just kept wondering to myself, what keeps some of you watching the product?

    Me personally, I've stopped watching WWE, almost entirely once COVID started. Before I'd at least look forward to maybe a Toronto PPV or show, so I'd at least catch myself up, especially when we got a couple of TakeOvers under our belt here. Even then, I don't think I've really caught many full episodes since Punk left, other than random times they recaptured my interest for short periods of time (like the brand split).

    Other than some of the acts/wrestlers that are presented, I find it difficult to watch the show. For me right now, I love RK-Bro, I think Orton and Riddle are such a fantastic combination of wrestlers and they play off each other really, really well. However, I have so much difficulty trusting the company to keep presenting something I'm interested in, with proper booking (look at the Hurt Business).

    Going back to the topic of SummerSlam, I haven't personally watched it (although I really want to catch Edge/Orton, Cena/Reigns, & RK-Bro when I get some time, out of curiosity) but the majority of you seemed to really have a dislike towards the PPV. The length, the quality, the questionable booking decisions (how do you fuck up Becky of all people f'real).

    I know one of the biggest arguing points before was that there wasn't a legitimate alternative that people had easy access to on television/PPV, but seeing as that is no longer the case, I want to hear what keeps you guys watching.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    The big thing is is that it isn't one or the other. There has pretty much always been an alternative. I guess the ease of watching it varies, but for me I always had access to ROH and Impact. I preferred Impact between 2005 and 2010, and I preferred Impact in 2015-2017. So, for me, it was never an issue of not having an alternative to WWE.

    A lot of it is habit, I've been watching WWE for 18 years now, and it's hard to just quit.

    Another big part of it is that I do love wrestling. I'd rather have bad wrestling than no wrestling. Other TV shows end, other TV shows take years to get new episodes, but at least I can count on having something new for WWE every week. I will admit that I often have some kind of wrestling playing on my TV, and I would be shocked if a lot of us here don't do that.

    Max Landis on Wrestling Isn't Wrestling put it the best for me, "We love watching people grow, change, struggle. Good people, bad people, we don't care. We want to see it, man. We need entertainment and we need it now. And when you watch wrestling that's what you get. Don't get me wrong a lot of wrestling sucks, but when it's good, it's fucking great."

    So yeah, the SummerSlam overall wasn't great, it wasn't good. There were so many things wrong with it, but there were still things that I am glad I got to see. Becky Lynch's pop for her return, Edge's brood entrance. I love what they are doing with Baron Corbin, Rick Boogs and Shinsuke Nakamura. Big E winning the Money in the Bank briefcase, and eventually Big E cashing in, WWE may not realize you can have moments and consistent booking at the same time, but when WWE has good moments, it makes a lot of the slogging through bad moments a bit more bearable.

    Even when wrestling is bad, we have communities like this to share with together, and that makes it fun as well. It's the same reason why people go out to movie theaters to watch showings of The Room. It's why people love MST3K and watching bad movies with their friends MST3K style, because even if it's bad it can still be fun with friends.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    Speaking of communities, as much as I love Reddit, I hate how it has basically spelt the death of other forums such as this one. I love how on a proper forum, you're able to have an identity and create more personal, distinguished discussions. Meanwhile on Reddit, it feels like you're just a number in a system passing by.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    I just watch the PPVs at this point, and that's because the PPVs are usually still solid. HIAC was really the only overtly bad one this year that I can remember. SummerSlam was more just uninspiring than outright bad. I feel like it's the week-to-week shit that is the worst with WWE. All the rematches, all the tropes, all the lack of anything really engaging to sink your teeth into and want to watch to see how it develops... it's entirely skippable stuff and for me, watching Raw and Smackdown with the hope of being thoroughly entertained and mentally stimulated by things like story telling is a lost cause. With PPVs at least you're mostly just getting really well produced video packages and matches between capable wrestlers, but even then they'll sneak in some bullshit like Miz, Morrison and Woods last night that really validates your choice to not watch Raw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raye View Post
    Speaking of communities, as much as I love Reddit, I hate how it has basically spelt the death of other forums such as this one. I love how on a proper forum, you're able to have an identity and create more personal, distinguished discussions. Meanwhile on Reddit, it feels like you're just a number in a system passing by.
    I agree with post #2104137757 from user member #66798.

    Anyways, I haven't watched WWE on a weekly basis since...2008ish? I started watching the live PPVs on a regular basis again to make use of my WWE Network subscription. Nowadays, I watch modern PPVs mostly just out of habit and the fact that I've already seen all of the classic WWE PPVs years ago. If it wasn't for the reviews, I probably wouldn't even bother watching full modern PPVs anymore.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    With WWE I don't really watch all that much anymore and just keep up to date with results. I don't really know who half the roster is anymore. I think it's down to habit and being in the "oh what's happening in WWE" mode for the majority of my life. There's an element of, what's the word, emotional attachment? attached to it where I used to watch with my great grandparents and my uncle who have all passed on and they're the ones that got me into WWE in the first place and part of me maybe doesn't want to 100% let that go.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldwin View Post
    I don't really know who half the roster is anymore.
    Probably doesn't help with the WWE releasing dozens of wrestlers recently, half of which had barely even been on TV since debuting.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    I just enjoy wrestling overall. I've been watching wrestling off and on, with spots of "religiously", for 30 plus years now. I grew up on WWE and can't say I would ever not pay attention to it. Beyond that I watch a lot of other wrestling as well. I still enjoy people WWE showcases. That doesn't mean I can't dislike a show or something. Hell I don't even pay attention to RAW on a weekly basis just cause of how unentertaining I found it the past year. It's really like any show, for instance Walking Dead. I love the show, but there is a season or two where I just dislike what the show was, but I still watch it to this day.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    Honestly, if it weren't for having personal friendships with a few wrestlers, I would have stopped watching anything current years ago. As it stands now, NXT and the montly PPVs are all I really make it an appointment to watch.

    I've recently tried to get into AEW, but its a slow go for me- as I know who maybe 1/2 of their roster is.

    With NJPW slowing way down due to the pandemic, I haven't followed what's been going on there either.

    At one point (maybe 2 years ago-ish), I was watching ROH, NXT, NJPW and MLW pretty consistently. Now most of my wrestling consumption is podcasts.


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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    Theres always been alternatives to WWE. Especially with Internet becomming more widespread in the early 2000s

    At some point, people have to accept...they keep watching so they can bitch about it.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    There are still good things being done in WWE, it's just that there is soooo much crap to wade through to get to the good. Me, I've not watched a full WWE show for quite some time. I keep on top of what's going on through reading the results, watching the youtube highlights and through a wrestling podcast series I follow. They review Raw, SmackDown and NXT as well as all TakeOvers and ppv's imediately followng the shows, usually with hour long episodes, so I catch them the next day. If there's anything that catches my eye then I can seek out the full segment or match online to watch. I find that by following this way I can be more selective with what I watch while still getting a taste of everything that's happening (I follow AEW the same way as the podcast series I follow reviews all AEW shows too).

    I can't see myself ever going back to watching WWE full time, and while they're haemorrhaging popular talents (through their own devices releasing talent and through talent not wanting to re-sign) the chances of me leaving them behind in favor of making AEW my main wrestling interest increases all the time. I feel that I'm almost at that point already to be honest. They have so many of my favorite wrestlers in their company and their creative direction is far and beyond better.
    The impending radical changes to NXT doesn't bode well for me either as that's the main hook to WWE for me at the moment.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    I watch WWE, NXT and AEW the same way. if something sticks out ill check it out. Watching live is irrelevent to me now. If i dont get results( except for how good the match was) or i avoid here or social media, watching it later is fine. But im also someone who enjoys the journey over the result anyway.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    It's mostly out of habit at this point, and even then I find myself tuning in for only PPV's while getting RAW recaps from Ups and Downs. I do watch Smackdown when I can. With the influx of better booked promotions receiving more and more mainstream notoriety, my hope is that it lights a fire under the WWE's to improve the product but that's a pipe dream as they are still pulling in enough ratings and PPVs to be content with what they have.

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    Literally the only reason I even take a peek at WWE is for Jeff Hardy. That's it. Maybe when I focus my full attention on AEW there will be somebody I can root for.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    This is a question I asked myself at the weekend when I decided to watch a 4 hour show that I knew going in I hated the look of most the card. If I wasn't working nights I'd of skipped the show and just watched any recommended matches, I think I'm at that point in my life where I no longer want to watch WWE live in the middle of the morning.

    Without a doubt WWE's biggest problem for me is that on the entire main roster, there's like 5 character who are likeable or resemble the attributes of a normal fucking person, and if so many people are unlikeable how am I supposed to get invested in any of their matches or any career defining moments. It's a show of grown up babies or cartoon characters - take that awful Miz and Morrison segment on Summerslam, it's bad enough that Miz and Morrison's act is now that they squirt water guns and make water puns like that's supposed to get any heat with crowds, but you've got Xavier Woods, a man with a big following online for having his finger on the pulse of key demo targets (under 35s) today with twitching and gaming, being brought down to Miz and Morrison's level by also squirting water guns. WHO IS THIS FOR? Summerslam was, pun intended, Riddled with this problem because so many matches were hard to care about because of these awful characters and 24 hours after Punk's return the WWE has never felt more uncool.

    As to why I still watch the PPVs and Takeovers, here's the reasons I can come up with:

    They can still deliver high end matches - As much as the product is in the mud in 2021, my top three picks for MOTY from every company right now would be Sasha/Bianca, Roman/Bryan and WALTER/Ilja and that's pretty crazy for 2021 WWE to have a clean sweep For my tastes at least, they're can still out deliver AEW in the ring in producing all timer level matches and it's that faith I have in certain members of the roster that will always have me tuning into their big matches. Bryan leaving the company this year however is a big dent in this.

    Still have the best womens wrestling/wrestlers in America - This was a point that was a little stronger in previous recent years than it is in 2021, but one of the positive aspects of WWE is their womens division and how they contribute to the success of any PPV. I've lost count of how many PPVs and Takeovers in the last 5 years where the women were the highlight or even saving grace of those shows, and you just can't say that about any other promotion in America. Don't reply with Britt Baker arguments because that's just one wrestler and she's pretty average in the ring; The entire rest of AEW's womens division feels like an obligation that they just tag onto the 7th quarter hour of Dynamite without much care. But as I say this is a waning point at the moment because 2021 has been the worst year for women in WWE since before 2015 with acts like Alexa Bliss and Eva Maria taking things backwards and the failed pushes of Bianca and Rhea stinging.

    I'm still paying for it so might as well check out the PPVS - It's hard to imagine WWE programming getting worse, but even if it does, I'll still never cancel my network subscription because it's the greatest archive of wrestling history ever and for £9.99 a month it's a steal. So if I have easy access to the monthy PPVs, why not check them out if I have the time.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    But Ed, Britt Baker....

    I always find these threads fascinating, but I'm always curious what keeps some of us watching. I finally bowed out after Hell in a Cell 2019. The giant mallet was apparently my point of no return. Honestly, my interest and investment had been declining since probably 2016. In truth, the real tipping point was the Blood Money events - just a step too far for me to keep associating with this company in even a limited way.

    A lot of the 2016-2019 period was something bordering on hate watching. Not that the product was THAT bad at the time, but I just found so much out of it frustrating and it started to move towards hate-watching. I didn't want to discuss it - I wanted to passive-aggressively bitch about it. And when something becomes that toxic, what's the point?

    Since then, I've watched a handful of matches. Last night, it turned out that one of my sports channels was showing TakeOver and so I half-watched the last half, which is easily the most WWE I've watched in one spell since probably WM 2020.

    For those really struggling to find a reason to watch... don't be afraid to take a break. That doesn't mean "never watching again" (as if that's ever true anyway), but just take a break. Do you end up missing it or do you just enjoy having those hours freed up? When we do things simply out of habit, we can be doing things that are actually a net negative in our lives. And life it too short for that shit.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    Tradition. Outside of WWE YouTube vids that pique my interest, I don't watch weekly WWE. What's weird is that I still follow WrestleTalk, Cultaholic and Solomonster regularly; I guess I still want to know what's going on without investing the time it takes to watch a Lord of the Rings movie one night a week. I'm passively still subscribed to the network so I'll still catch the Big 4, plus Elimination Chamber and/or MiTB if they look enticing enough. It's similar to being raised and baptised Christian, only to become lapsed in later life, while still celebrating Easter and Christmas each year.

    I saw Summerslam live. It was the first current WWE I'd seen since Mania and, honestly, it didn't feel like I'd missed a whole lot. There was no feeling of, "Man, I wish I'd seen the go-home RAW!" or "I wish I'd kept up with Smackdown so that I could've seen more of these guys!"


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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    I understand you think about AEW when you talk about legitimate alternative, but I don't agree with that. I think, the only legitimate alternative to the WWE is NJPW. Why ? Because it's the only product that is really different than what the WWE does. It's the eternal pro wrestling vs sport-entertainment thing. Nearly nobody in the US except for, maybe ROH and the NWA do pro wrestling. WWE, AEW, TNA/GFW/Impact, ECW and WCW in their times as well, do sport-entertainment. They might not do it the exact same way (AEW for example has more of an indy style sport-entertainment) but, one way or another, without even witnessing it, they all do the same thing, the same thing we saw again and again since even before the attitude era. The Monday Night Wars set the standard for pro-wrestling, and now, people involved in wrestling (except for the comedy writers) either worked or grew up during the Monday Night Wars so they unconsciously do the same thing.

    I will still answer your question. When I was born, WCW was already dead and buried, WWE was alone, I got into wrestling watching my brother play WWE video games. It has become normal for me, for 10 years, to watch WWE shows. Then I started watching more companies, NJPW, TNA, ROH, NWA, AEW and old wrestling on the WWE network. It's like somebody already said, I'd rather watch bad wrestling than no wrestling, even if now, doing good wrestling is like being the nicest guy in prison.

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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by StylesWWE View Post
    I understand you think about AEW when you talk about legitimate alternative, but I don't agree with that. I think, the only legitimate alternative to the WWE is NJPW. Why ? Because it's the only product that is really different than what the WWE does. It's the eternal pro wrestling vs sport-entertainment thing. Nearly nobody in the US except for, maybe ROH and the NWA do pro wrestling. WWE, AEW, TNA/GFW/Impact, ECW and WCW in their times as well, do sport-entertainment. They might not do it the exact same way (AEW for example has more of an indy style sport-entertainment) but, one way or another, without even witnessing it, they all do the same thing, the same thing we saw again and again since even before the attitude era. The Monday Night Wars set the standard for pro-wrestling, and now, people involved in wrestling (except for the comedy writers) either worked or grew up during the Monday Night Wars so they unconsciously do the same thing.
    An alternative by definition doesn't mean the two things have to be very distinctively different, it just means that it's something that can be chosen instead.
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    Re: What Keeps You Watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by StylesWWE View Post
    I understand you think about AEW when you talk about legitimate alternative, but I don't agree with that. I think, the only legitimate alternative to the WWE is NJPW. Why ? Because it's the only product that is really different than what the WWE does. It's the eternal pro wrestling vs sport-entertainment thing. Nearly nobody in the US except for, maybe ROH and the NWA do pro wrestling. WWE, AEW, TNA/GFW/Impact, ECW and WCW in their times as well, do sport-entertainment. They might not do it the exact same way (AEW for example has more of an indy style sport-entertainment) but, one way or another, without even witnessing it, they all do the same thing, the same thing we saw again and again since even before the attitude era. The Monday Night Wars set the standard for pro-wrestling, and now, people involved in wrestling (except for the comedy writers) either worked or grew up during the Monday Night Wars so they unconsciously do the same thing.

    I will still answer your question. When I was born, WCW was already dead and buried, WWE was alone, I got into wrestling watching my brother play WWE video games. It has become normal for me, for 10 years, to watch WWE shows. Then I started watching more companies, NJPW, TNA, ROH, NWA, AEW and old wrestling on the WWE network. It's like somebody already said, I'd rather watch bad wrestling than no wrestling, even if now, doing good wrestling is like being the nicest guy in prison.
    All of the companies you list are wrestling companies, where they differ is in their presentation of it. Some companies are more sports-entertainment orientated, such as WWE, AEW, IMPACT, others are more legitamate sports based, such as NJPW and then you have other companies such as Lucha/Azteca Underground that are more storyline driven programs more similar to a serial tv show.
    All different, but all pro-wrestling at the end of the day, and all alternatives to each other.

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