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    There are definitely some downsides to what United supporters have done... but what else are they supposed to do? Nothing else gets through to these billionaires, and I'm really not sure this will either. But if the supporters do feel that these owners - Glazers, FSG, Kroenke's - are actively harmful to the club, which seems to be very much the case, continuing to simply complain about it accomplishes zero.
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    Re: Premier League 2020/21 Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    There are definitely some downsides to what United supporters have done... but what else are they supposed to do? Nothing else gets through to these billionaires, and I'm really not sure this will either. But if the supporters do feel that these owners - Glazers, FSG, Kroenke's - are actively harmful to the club, which seems to be very much the case, continuing to simply complain about it accomplishes zero.
    There is that, but it went too far. Damaging the stadium, injuring police/security...those culprits need lifetime bans. Only way you'll get owners to pay attention is by not buying ANYTHING to do with the club, it's as simple as that. Don't attend games, don't buy kits etc...all hits the pocket. Heck you should even boycott the TV stations that show the games...it will all lead to values dropping which is what the owners are just keeping an eye on.
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    I fully support that fans right to protest peacfully, which is what the majority did. I hope it happens again at the next home game, it's the right thing to do. This has been brewing for 16 years and it's now got to the point where it's boiled over the edge. The ESL debacle was the final straw.
    However, the violence that did occur isn't right and I hope that those responsible are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    I do regretfully agree with Graeme Souness though in saying that I think it's highly unlikely that the Glazers will be bothered or affected one bit by these protests. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it. They're across the Atlantic sitting int heir California mansions counting their money. I wouldn't be surprised if they even knew that the protests happened. I'm assuming that one of their aides had to bring it to their attention and even then I imagine they just shrugged their shoulders and got on with their day.
    Souness did spout some other nonsense about the fans not making any noise when we were winning trophies and the best team in England. But as Roy Keane pointed out to him, the fans have been unhappy and discontent with the Glazers ownership since day 1. This isn't a recent thing that's come out of nowhere, and it certainly isn't to do with being 'sore losers' because we've now slipped down the pecking order in English and World football so to speak.

    Anyone wanting to buy the club would have to come in with an astronomical offer at the end of the day. The Glazers won't sell for anything less than £3bn IMO, though I think realistically it's going to take something closer to £5bn for them to even consider taking an offer seriously. Who's got that kind of money? There aren't many individuals on the palnet that could spend that money and then have money left over to pump into the club. It would likely have to be some other group or consortium buying us.

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    Re: Premier League 2020/21 Discussion Thread

    The unfortunate reality is, does it really matter in local fans start boycotting things? United are a global franchise, fans and stakeholders in China, US, etc are still gonna continue to support and invest in spite of the roots and traditions of the club.

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    We're down and Wolves still can't beat us lmao. 10 years unbeaten.
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    Good on West Brom for not moving their game with Liverpool to make Man Utd play like 4 games in 8 days. See what that peaceful protest has done now haha!
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    I thought this was interesting. Pretty stark to see what lack of investment from ownership Arsenal and Tottenham get. Its not the reason that Arsenal are poor but its a significant factor.
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    3rd and final relegated team confirmed for this season then as Fulham are now down.

    I think the 3 teams who are going down are pretty much the teams people expected to go. Sheffield's fall from grace has been dramatic after their fantastic season last time round, but you look at their squad and there's barely anyone you can point to as being decent Premier League quality really. Sander Berge is the one shining light (and there's a few top clubs looking at him by all accounts) and Ethan Ampadu has been tipped for big things for a few years too. Other than that it's a Championship level squad and they shouldn't have any problems keeping that group together for next season.

    West Brom, again just struggled badly, mostly in defense as they shipped a whopping 68 goals.
    Sam Johnstone is probably good enough to play in goal for a Premier League side, Pereira has scored well depite playing in a strugglign team so someone may take a punt on him. Otherwise again, not many players that you could say would do a job for anyone looking to stay in the Premier League.

    You look at Fulham's squad and you wonder how they didn't stay up really. There's some decent players in there. Great keeper in Areola, Kenny Tete is good, Kongolo is a good defender who's unfortuantley had bad luck with injury, Loftus-Cheek (the new Michael Ballack if you listen to Tuchel) is a solid midfielder, Ivan Cavaliero is a good player, Ademola Lookman is decent enough, Mitrovic is a good striker but has had a rotten season in front of goal. Some decent players who either didn't perform or had bad luck.

    Not sure which of these could potentially bounce straight back. I think Fulham are the most likely personally though they'll have to replace their key loan players like Areola and Loftus-Cheek. But I think their base squad is better than the other two teams and they're in a better position to strengthen I think.

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    Wouldn't be surprised if Fulham & Albion come straight back up, I hope Sheffield United come back though. Really gained a soft spot for them since they got promoted so I hope they defy the odds and recover quickly

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    I'm sad Fulham went down. Scott Parker did well after an awful start.

    Basically I'll never be happy until Newcastle go down

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    Re: Premier League 2020/21 Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Order View Post
    I'm sad Fulham went down. Scott Parker did well after an awful start.

    Basically I'll never be happy until Newcastle go down
    This is the wrong place to say something like that.




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    Re: Premier League 2020/21 Discussion Thread

    So the top 4 can be pretty much confirmed if Man Utd beat Liverpool in 48 hours.....imagine that...the fans forcing a game to be rescheduled due to protests to then have it end up the rescheduled game is what stops Liverpool getting top 4

    As for the teams that have gone down...probably was to be expected to be honest. If Fulham stick with Parker they'll be in with a shot at going straight back up. If West Brom take Wilder instead of Big Sam they'll have a chance of getting straight back up too. Sheff Utd need an overhaul so can't see them doing it....especially when you consider three of Brentford, Swansea, Barnsley & Bournemouth will still be there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Order View Post
    I'm sad Fulham went down. Scott Parker did well after an awful start.
    Parker who took 1 point out of the last 7 crunch games did well? I get he’s a fresh face in the managerial game and gives some nice sound bites for the media, but I don’t think he’s done a good job to have the whole season with Fulham and have them relegated with 3 games to go.

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    As for the teams that have gone down...probably was to be expected to be honest. If Fulham stick with Parker they'll be in with a shot at going straight back up. If West Brom take Wilder instead of Big Sam they'll have a chance of getting straight back up too. Sheff Utd need an overhaul so can't see them doing it....especially when you consider three of Brentford, Swansea, Barnsley & Bournemouth will still be there too.
    Wilder who had a disaster of a season and always seems to be against the odds with his bosses, no thanks, doesn’t work for Albion that.

    I want Big Sam to stay mainly because that means we’re serious about staying up and have promised funds for Sam to work with and to try and keep the better players. I don’t see our squad being picked apart and we’ve got very good players at Championship level so I expect us to come back up next season. I think Sam would have probably kept us up in the prem if he had the whole season, once that first 4-5 fixtures were out the way when he managed to get actual training time with the team, there was a clear difference in how we were playing and were getting a few more wins under our belts.
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    I too think that it's a bit generous to say that Parker has done well. He hasn't. He's still learning and clearly has much to learn still. I think Fulham should stick with him though.

    Not the best result last night for us, but it was to be expected with that team we put out. The youngsters that came in did ok under the circumstances, but it's another sign that we lack strength indepth and need upgrades in the summer.
    Greenwood scored another fantastic goal. He's in sizzling form right now and is giving Gareth Southgate somethign to seriously think about regarding squad selections for the Euros. I think on current for he has to be in the squad.

    Another tough game tomorrow but with the best players back we will hopefully give Liverpool a good game. Would be great to deny them a top 4 spot by beating them, though, I think they're up against it to get top 4 anyway, even if they beat us. I think their main concern should be cementing a Europa League spot. as that's not guaranteed for them either.

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    Agree with Thunder, don't understand why people are over hyping Parkers job at Fulham so much. They've been fine, but hardly worth the hype he's getting. Like he's getting links to the Spurs job ffs I do think there's potential there though to be a good manager, I think the board needs to back his style of play for it to work.

    Wilder I think needs a step up, like if Potter was to leave Brighton or Hodgson/Dyche leaves Burnley. Would've been interested to see him at Celtic but I don't see it

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    Oh I accept he hasn't done a good job overall. I just liked that he changed the way they played after the disaster of the start. More managers should do that!

    Were always going to lose with that side last night. All will be forgiven if we smash Liverpool tomorrow though.

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    Well, I totally expected that result. It would have been nice to beat Liverpool at Old Trafford but this result was coming. We just didn't look up for it at any point in this game. Several poor performances from all over the pitch.

    Poor showing from Henderson, he should have done better for the 3rd and 4th goal. Sounds harsh perhaps but I'm again left wondering if De Gea would have done better. If I'm asking that quesiton then should he be starting ahead of him? Probably not for me. And I personally hope that Ole switches them around again for the remainder of the season.
    We were all over the place defensively. Lindeloff was all over the place, Bailly was struggling (the penalty decision was correctly ruled in his favor as Bailly made a fantastic tackle IMO), and Shaw had arguably his worst performance of the season.
    In midfield it was just so disjointed. McTominay was ok, but Fred was terrible. Gave the ball away cheaply for Liverpool's 3rd (he made a very similar error a while back, I forget who it was against). Fernandes did ok but it wasn't his best performance.
    Going forward Pogpa just didn't have the same impact playing out wide as he does when he's in the middle of the pitch, and as a consequence, Rashford didn't have the same impact playing on the right as he does when he's on the left. Cavani was a completely starved of service because of the chaos happening behind him and out wide.
    When Greenwood came on, Pogpa went to the middle and Rashford went to the left we looked dangerous again.

    I was listening to Gary Neville and Roy Keane analyse the game and they made some very valid points.
    If there was any indicaiton that we need another wide attacker, this was it. Pogpa has had some good performances in the wide left position, but last night highlighted that that isn't his best position for us. He needs to be in midfield, this is where he's had the msot impace for us. McTominay can sit, Pogpa can do the box to box leg work and Fernandes as the out and out attacking midfielder behind our striker is the way to go. As we've said before, we don't need to paly with two out and out defensive midfielders, which is what Ole defaults to too often for my liking. The talk is that we will chase Sancho again in the summer, hopefully we land him this time. He can play on the right, Rashford on the left with Cavani in the middle, Greenwood as his backup to continue his development as our long term CF. Pogpa can play in CM where he is best.
    I think it would be prudent to chase after a Centre back too. My opinion is that Bailly, when fit, should be starting alongside Maguire, but Ole likes Lindelof. I'd like to see us bring in Pau Torres and stick him with Maguire perhaps. A better defensive midfielder is needed too. Keane said it last night that Fred isn't good enough, and I agree. He's good enough to be a squad palyer for us, but if he's going to be a regular then I don't see us winning things. I would sell Matic (there's talk of Mourinho coming after him for Roma int he summer), move Fred into the backup role Matic currently occupies and then bring in an upgrade. I like the look of Denis Zakaria at Monchengladbach. Young, powerfull defensive midfielder. Fits the bill for us.

    Still work to do to secure 2nd place, and we need to pick ourselves up ahead of the Europa League final. There's then some serious recruitment needed in the summer. I don't want another summer of chasing shadows and then signng last minute deals on deadline day. Let's be ruthless and get things done. Cut the chaff from the squad, ge tthem gone and bring in the players we need to seriously challenge for the title next season. Otherwise it'll be another season of competing for 2nd place, as at present, emphasised by last night's performance, we're a long way off City.

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    No bein funny, ManU would be better served spending the Sancho money on a new DM & a quick CB. Aye they need a right winger but is it REALLY so important to spend the amount of money they're going to on him? No for me.

    Zakaria is okay, seen him at Mochengladbach a few times, if he had a team that didn't have a manager on the way out and everyone around him just no really giving much of a fuck he'd do well.

    Why does Ole love McTominey though? Like, seriously I don't understand what his obsession with him is he keeps playing him and Fred as holding midfielders but neither of them can pass? He's better as a attacking player but never gets the opportunity to go forward unless it's against Leeds or a team near the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddes View Post
    No bein funny, ManU would be better served spending the Sancho money on a new DM & a quick CB. Aye they need a right winger but is it REALLY so important to spend the amount of money they're going to on him? No for me.

    Zakaria is okay, seen him at Mochengladbach a few times, if he had a team that didn't have a manager on the way out and everyone around him just no really giving much of a fuck he'd do well.

    Why does Ole love McTominey though? Like, seriously I don't understand what his obsession with him is he keeps playing him and Fred as holding midfielders but neither of them can pass? He's better as a attacking player but never gets the opportunity to go forward unless it's against Leeds or a team near the bottom.
    I agree with you on Sancho, I don't think he's necessarily needed. And I was saying throughout last summer's window that a CB was far more important for us. I'm a bit gutted that we din't go in for David Alaba. I can't believe that Real are getting him on a free. He's only 28 so has a few years at the top left, is extremely versatile being able to play CB, LB and in midfield and has a winning mentality. Would have been a perfect fit for us to compliment Maguire in the middle.

    But yeah, Sancho's not a priority if you ask me. Now that we have Cavani for another year Greenwood should be given priority to play wide right as he's lethal cutting in on his left foot from that side. Would be great for his development to have another year playing that position regulary. He can move to the middle if Cavani needs a rest.
    However, since it looks likely that we're looking to sell Dan James if we get a decent price and probably Jesse Lingard (good time to cash in on him now that he's rebuilt his rep a bit at West Ham) and Mata's almost certainly not going to be offered a new deal and will leave on a free, that leaves us a bit bare int he wide areas. We have Tahith Chong and Facundo Pellistri coming back from loan and Amad who looks like he could be a decent player in the future. While I'm all for giving these youngserts a chance, we need some already established cover in the wide areas if we're serious about challenging City. It's too risky gambling on these young, unproven players hoping theat they hit the ground running. United look set on Sancho so I think we'll be going for him, depsite us not necessarily needing him IMO. But he's definitely not the priority for me.

    I like McTominay. It's hard to tell what his best position is. He does seem to flourish when he's given license to maraud forward but he is also good at breaking up play in front of the defense. I'd like to see him play with Pogpa for a prolonged period as I think that would benefit him. Fred's a liability with a pass, as we saw AGAIN last night! I can't fault the guy's passion and dedicaiton, and he has improved a lot this season, but he's not quite the quality we need in that midfield. Good enough to be a backup option and a squad player for sure, but he's too similar to McTominay in his style of play which is why I don't think they compliment each other particulary well.
    If you're playing with 2 central midfielders, then your defensive midfielder has to be able to pick a pass. this is why Keane and Scholes were a great pairing. Keane was excellent at breaking up play but he could also pass really well (something he was underrated for IMO). Same with Owen Hargreaves (whatever you may think of him, I thought he was an excellent player) when he was in our midfield. In Ole's case if you're playing with two deep midfielders then you have to make sure one of them can pass well. With Fred and Mctominay, neither are particulary great passers. Stick Pogpa back there with one of them and you're solved.

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    when it comes to signing players, we can't lose sight of the reality that Manchester United isn't really run as a football club anymore. Its a high-level marketing, brand-based exercise in wealth-building. Much as Arsenal are a lifestyle brand with a primary purpose of selling replica retro adidas kits. I don't think Ed Woodward leaving changes that reality for United any more than changing managers would alter it for Arsenal - its driven from the top with both clubs. So what is the most important in terms of squad-building will almost certainly continue to take a backseat to what will bring in the most marketing money and the all of that. And a DC or a DM will never sell as many replica shirts as an exciting young star like Sancho.
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