KenTheKiller

I'd say this is by far the best overall card for Summerslam (excluding one maybe) in the last 6 years.. Definitely better than a few I can think of.

The build has been sufficient enough. Not every match on the card is going to have epic build, especially coming from RAW. Just be happy we get two top mid carders going at it on PPV with no belt on the line. Both have loads of potential so I'm glad.

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Yea i would really like to see the winner go up against the Kofi for the U.S championship soon enough after this feud is over.

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Bernie

You think this is a best overall card over Summerslams 2003, 2005, 2006, and sadly even 2008? The four of those Summerslams at least had stronger cards, with actual builds put into their feuds.

Why should I be happy that two top mid card guys are going at it? Do you expect that they are going to give a great match? I can appreciate a good match, but that's doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Why should I give a damn about either guy? That's a serious question, ignore their skills and go with character development...because we don't know for a fact if we will get a great match...and how much time it will get.

LOL not every match needs a epic build I agree, but give us a proper build...make us as a audience give a damn.

They started off good in the first two weeks, as I was into it. Although I still say Swagger sucks on the mic.... Then out of nowhere...MVP is being made to look weak by Masters...and Swagger is dominating Evan Bourne. MVP comes out to stop Swagger...from being a bully...pretty damn weak!

I put my money that, the crowd will not react to much off of this match...and why should we...there isn't a real reason to give a shit.

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KenTheKiller

HHH and Legacy have had like 8 months of build. Are you crazy? Punk/Hardy have had months of build. Cena/Orton have been on and off again feuding for ages. The three main events have plenty of build. Add in TLC, the Matt Hardy angle, DX reunion, etc. and those three matches are plenty for people to buy the PPV. Never mind a tag angle that has been built up well for the last month and elevated a tag team, an ECW title match that while the build hasn't been much, should be a very good match, a mid card non title match with two of the best "future stars" on the brand with about a month of a feud behind it (granted WWE seem to have forgotten about it for a week or two but..), Dolph/Rey which has had about two months of feuding now and is making the IC title matter and make Dolph look good. etc. Besides the ECW title match which will be good even if not with a lot of build, every match pretty much has at least a month of build which for a WWE PPV is rare in itself.

Because two mid carders who most people love and want pushed are getting a match on the second biggest PPV with at least a little build? It's not like the match will get 2 minutes. It'll be enough to at least be good.

The feud is simple but effective. Two up and comers feuding. Why? Swagger basically called out MVP on his past which wasn't being used much before and he is trying to over come and get past. Meanwhile Swagger is young, cocky, and has a trust fund back home just in case. This is MVP's life while Swagger has security no matter what. I won't lie, WWE sucks with mid card character development but at least they tried to make these two have more interesting personalities and if you look at it like you're supposed to then you see two near opposites who hate each other going at it.

And I think WWE has. Maybe not as much on RAW (though the DX/Legacy angle has been well done imo) but Smackdown has certainly given you plenty of reason to buy the show. RAW has a little build outside of DX/Legacy but enough imo.

Swagger is quite good on the mic imo but eh to each there own. MVP wasn't being made to look weak by Masters.. he was put in his finisher outside of the ring resulting in a double count out which led to a rematch and MVP beating him cleanly. Meanwhile Swagger beat Bourne cleanly but felt it wasn't enough and decided to continue to hurt Evan. MVP who already doesn't like Swagger helped stop the assault. Add in Masters/Swagger beat down and the feud is pretty decent all things considered.

I disagree about no reason but it's certainly possible the fans won't care. Sometimes fans love MVP, sometimes they're indifferent. I'll be interested in how over he is or isn't.

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Am I crazy? No I am not, are you serious? HHH had been in more of a feud with Orton...Legacy is just a small portion of that. He finally confronts them and gets HBK...but then goes on to do comedy shit...DX or not it brings the feud down. Although the recent Legacy attack was well done.

Punk and Hardy had months of build, I agree on that. I have not been impressed by the matches...but the build hasn't been terrible.

The Orton and Cena stuff is like a month of one on one build...and it has pretty bad in my opinion.

And Dolph and Rey...yes pretty damn good build...I am enjoying that.

But it doesn't compare to the way things were booked at the past 6 years of Summerslam. You can't compare past builds today...to the matches such as

Angle vs Lesnar (2003)
Edge vs Matt (2005)
Mysterio vs Guerrero (2005)
Edge vs Cena (2006)
Flair vs Foley (2006)
Punk vs Morrison (2007)
MVP vs Jeff Hardy (2008)

I could go on to be honest. The thing is...from most of mid card to main event...the past Summerslam had real meaning...real builds for us fans to want to get the PPV.

Now I will watch as usual... I just think this is a weak card on SO MANY levels.




LOL two mid carders that most the IWC loves. Not to many people react off a Swagger at live events unless he is wrestling against a star. I am not being a hater...and I am not blind...I am just calling it as I hear and see it. Swagger gets way much more praise from people on forums then he does at actual events.


Up and comers...they certain don't look like it on tv...but I see where your coming from. Well the basics that you were touching on as characteristics to gimmick is good...but you do not realize that they pretty much have thrown that out the door with the way this has been build. LOL maybe Cole will make a slight mention about the characters...but that is about it. This seems more like a filler match...then a match that has been properly build. It was just thrown of the card...and the stupid dq from Monday...was garbage...there could of been a better way.

I agree with you on the Smackdown side of things...no disagreements there.

DX vs Legacy is epic silly...the only good build that has come from this feud...was the recent attack. That was actually a surprise...and for once made Legacy look like a threat. Other then that it is one of the most ridiculous builds on this card. It could of been better...if the be more serious then funny...DX or not.

Swagger good on the mic? Swagger is one of the most over dramatic guys on the mic...I can't help but to laugh at how bad he is. Well ok you do make a point about MVP and Masters...but what is that doing to build Swagger/MVP? And the last thing you put is basically what I said...MVP doesn't like Swagger...so he stops him from bullying. Pretty WEAK considering they had something good going a few weeks back.


LOL Ken, MVP will get a nice pop when he comes out. Swagger will likely get nothing, because he rarely can get heat if you want to be serious. The crowd will likely be dead, even if they are giving us a great match. MVP will get a pop for his signature spot...and maybe if he wins. The reason crowd won't react is because again..the lack on character development...it's all in the booking easily. Disagree or not...we will have to watch and listen.

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Goldberg

will be a good match think swagger will win

KenTheKiller

I see Legacy/HHH as having loads of build since they have been a thorn in his side since pre-Mania.

I don't fully remember the Angle/Lesnar rematch but if I recall the build wasn't too spectacular. I'll give you that one either way since I don't recall it really..

Edge/Matt was only good build because it's based off a real life event and when Matt first came back.. the match itself was bad (due to a real injury) and it was a mid card feud anyway, not a major draw.

Mysterio vs. Gurerrero? Really? Custody battle, really?

Edge/Cena was pretty great.. possibly better than Punk/Jeff though that feud has been great too.

For fun Flair/Foley build wasn't too great because Foley was just getting passed the anti-dx bit and Flair was on ECW for a bit too.

Morrison/Punk? Really? The 15 Minutes of Fame match was good but the build wasn't great..

Even though I found 08 to be one of the better ones in recent history, jeff/mvp is not one of the feuds you should use as a representation to good build.. Taker/Edge had phenomenal build though imo.


I disagree of course.


Really? On ECW he was a top heat getter. Granted he doesn't get AS MUCH on RAW, but eh that has to do with the booking as you've mentioned. He still gets plenty I think.


I don't see what was wrong with the DQ.. I see a lot of people hating on it. Why? It makes the heel actually look good leading into a match. He wasn't losing or being a puss, he was fighting head to head, toe to toe, brawling with him in the corner and the ref lost control.

And I'll agree RAW sucks in comparison but that's obvious.
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HHH is known as one of the more egotistical wrestlers on the roster (yet is a face??) so he challenged them two one one. He lost clean. Despite a shit comment after, the point is he needed help so he wanted his partner back. Yeah they did shit comedy but it stayed serious once their oh so epic return was cut short by the Legacy laying them out. HHH couldn't handle them alone and Legacy is out to prove they are not just the future of the business but the present too. "Yes.. we are ready".



I said it seems like they forgot about it for a few weeks which is a shame. But I think considering this is a mid card match the build works well enough. I do wish they kept it up though. Or at least the commentators could've mentioned it but they suck so bad. As for him on the mic..
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MVP a lot of time gets some big pops but I don't know.. I think it's because of poor booking but sometimes people just don't care except for his signature spots. Swagger gets a good amount of heat too but like MVP isn't consistent. Hence why I'm interested in the reaction of this.

I think this match is the right step in both guys getting more over of course. Which is one of the biggest positives as I said, to this being on the card.

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Yeah but you are ignoring that the main focus was Randy Orton. I guess I can see the argument that Legacy was involved, maybe helping Orton. But the point is most of the build still goes on HHH and Orton. Legacy the interferes is the key...as HHH is out numbered...but they were never the real focus. The feud truly started a few weeks back..when HHH did a bad sell job after the handicap match.



There was at least 2 month build...I think it went from Brock and Kurt respecting each other as opponent. Kurt got injuried (Which was legit) he came back and expressed...that during his time away with the ring...him and Brock became friends. Lesnar turns on Angle because he became jealous of him winning the title...boom there's a feud. That's better then any of the matches booked on this Summerslam.

Meh, I'll give ya that...major draw? No way...but was most def a reason to get the ppv.

You forget that the build was in all of a heel turn in which they started way before WrestleMania 21. The feud went on for months and in turn...we see some awesome matches. And I agree the whole custody thing was a bit silly, but it seems like gold compared to this weak ass booking for the Swagger and MVP match.

One the Cena and Edge feud first took off, it was very entertaining in my opinion. Way better then the Punk and Hardy stuff lol. Although Punk and Jeff feud has been pretty good as far as build, matches that's a different story.

It was a shoot style build that seemed real...and I think it worked. Compare that build to anything on this card...including the title matches.

The build leading up wasn't all that great, but it was surely better build then this Swagger and MVP match lol. At least that build didn't seem as something of a filler...it actually meant something.

Why should I not use that as representation of build. Now I will say that I think it was disgusting that they were exploiting Jeff's real life problem. But from that there was a real reason to hate MVP (Although I routed for him) and real reason to care for Jeff. Although an opening match...it had real meaning to it. Are you honestly saying that this Swagger/MVP was better then that? That's a serious question.

I don't know if the Taker and Edge build was PHENOMENAL, but it was very decent.

And I respect that, that's your right.

LOL now people hate when I ask to give example. I watched everything that he did on ECW. The only time I seen this man get some heat, was if he went up against Christian. And still even then the type of heat he got was weak! I remember him talking about challenging Matt for the title and got little to no heat. If you will....please give me a real example of this man ever getting serious heat.

And doesn't get as much on Raw? He rarely ever gets any. His music will start and you hear nothing... now maybe in certain cities it will be different...I don't recall to many great heel reactions. And yes to be fair...I do think that is because of the way he is booked.


Ken it's just another random stupid ending to a match, they the WWE seemed to start that trend in 2008. It was random it was pointless, it did nothing to make this feud more exciting. The post fight, no one gave a shit about it...let's be serious now.

Something we agree on lol

How does that come as good build to you? HHH gets beat by two people...he cuts jokes directly after his loss. He calls Michaels on the phone backstage...and looks serious...HBK hangs up. (I thought that was cool)

Then next week does a bunch of ridiculous segments DX style. Now I get that DX does stuff like this...but the clowning around with OVERLY retarted. They come back acting as clowns the following week. And then finally Legacy beats the hell out of them...and makes the thing seem serious for once.

That's my point, they seem to forget! They just try to pick up a few week later...which makes it seem unimportant...and if that is good build to you...well then that's your opinion. I am a fan who actually enjoys well build stuff, I am very passionate about stuff like this. And yes the commentators didn't do a great job building this to seem important. Although Vince feeds them shit to say.

LOL can take Swagger serious on the mic? Yeah when he dissed MVP and said that he doesn't wrestle with criminals...his lisp fucked that up. Someone needs to teach this guy how to work a mic...and even more a crowd. In all seriousness he doesn't know how to, and those in the IWC that praise...act as if he can...and it's so damn laughable. I could take all the times that Swagger worked a match and put them together and post it on youtube. I bet that I get more people that find the video to be comical, rather then praising him for his mic work.

MVP gets big pops sometimes. He gets mid pops most of the time to be honest. The reason that people don't care for him, is because of how he is booked. My opinion MVP should be a similar babyface to how The Rock was. This new goody goody character, makes you forget about what his original character was about. It's not working that well.

LOL I bet you, that unless the crowd is hot all night, this match won't get to much of a reaction. Remember that is unless the crowd isn't hot. I bet, that MVP will get a mid pop...and cheered for his signature spots and maybe his win...that's about it. Swagger will likely get no heat or support. Unless some of his IWC fans decide to TRY and be vocal lol.

Both guys are getting more over? So this particular match is going to benefit the both of them? Is that what you really think?

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KenTheKiller

Okay I stopped reading like a paragraph down.. I'm not arguing that the build for THIS MATCH is better than anything from past Summerslams.. I'm saying the overall PPV in terms of quality, hype, and build is better than several summerslams overall.

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Cool and I kindly disagree....I think it is one of the weakest build SummerSlams, and I don't think any of the matches are anything to get overly excited about.

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