Tommy Platinum

She certainly made a mess of the Stratusfaction at Wrestlemania. Don't go blaming that on Trish.
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She only really does the superkick and the jumping Tornado DDT now. A lot of divas have moves they used in the past: in the indys, in developmental, in previous years in WWE etc. She has good finishers, but not nearly as many as you're making out lol.
She did already go over Eve but she needs weak opponents so she can keep the ttle for a long time. I saw that article about her being the best ever.. ridiculous. I think she will be on top for a long time and will be holding down talented women in the process. I'd hate her so much if I was Melina.

Rosa seems pretty pointless. I don't understand why they dropped the Beth angle, and also took Alicia away from McCool. They are both left with no direction now, and at least one of them is going to get released I'd say. There is no need for Rosa, Alicia and Jillian on the same brand. Jillian isn't being used, and hasn't won in years anyway, so she may be released and replaced with a new jobber, either Alicia or Rosa. I don't really see anything in Rosa, and don't think she's worth keeping really. Alicia has improved somewhat I guess.

Hopefully you're right about Beth being kept off TV so they can make her somewhat credible again, but I think they might just forget about her and have nothing else for her. In a way, like Katie, I want her to be released, because she could have an awesome run in TNA, where womens wrestling is more serious.

I was disappointed when she wasn't in the bikini match. I guess I'm alone in wanting to see the Glamazon show some skin.
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I've not seen much of her outside WWE but I'm not going on name and name alone. Her name helps give her credibility and such, but she is also credible because of her physique and the way she wrestles. Like Katie, I would agree that she hasn't shown anything great in WWE so far, but like Katie, she really hasn't had a chance to do so. Hopefully she starts wrestling more now and eventually gets that title, because I think she could do very well if she got some decent length singles matches with the likes of Melina and even McCool. I don't even think wrestling skills are all we need to talk about. The only reason the Hart Dynasty is interesting is because Nattie, unlike the 2 guys, actually has some personality. She is a great valet because she's very good on the mic and shows a lot of character during their matches. That charisma would show through even more if she was allowed to be involved in real feuds. She also has good finishers. The Sharpshooter obviously is great to see, and the lariat in my sig basically shows what is missing in womens wrestling a lot of the time. It looks stiff, legit, and makes the whole thing look more respectable and credible compared to some of the silly moves face divas like Kelly and Eve pull out, which resemble gymnastics more than actual wrestling. Unlike them, Nattie is a real wrestler, and that's what I like about her, combined with her charisma and how hot she is.

As for the last part... fairness doesn't exist when you're fucking a wrestler for a push.

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The botch wasn't just Mickies fault, Trish didn't lift her properly, so yes, I am blaming it on Trish
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Even with the superkick, she did it once, lol. Shame really it was pretty good, she needs to do something else other than the Tornado DDT though, her opponents can't seem to take it properly. She needs to do the Mick Kick more, last she did it was on Santino, and her Top Rope DDT was on Nattie. Her running one she hasn't done since she faced Victoria in a Tag Match, which sucks actually because Mickie was awesome at it. Long Kiss Goodnight wasn't an amazing finisher, but don't lie and tell me you didn't enjoy it.

Michelle is young-ish and athletic, she will certainly be around for a long time. Eve I think could get a good rub off Michelle, she's already showing character with word up, and she's got some nice in-ring skills, and can master a drop kick; something Kelly can't do. As I said before though, I wouldn't be surprised if Michelles title reigns are like Trishes; win title, lose title, win title, lose title, ect.

If one of them is going to get released, it's Rosa. Alicia is showing potential, and Rosa isn't. She's a horrible female wrestler, and a botching jobber who only seems to butcher tag matches. Neither are amazing though, it's like they've been trained for the sake of being trained. Alicia being taken away from McCool was a bad mistake, because Alicia could have gotton a rub, and maybe turned face in a few months to challange Michelle for the title. Jillian should end up being released soon, she's not won a singles match since 2007, she doesn't serve a purpose unless you count entertaining the audience with her wretched singing and her sloppy 450 splashes.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day when Gail is wrestling, Beth comes out and attacks her, PSYCHO BETH~! Kinda like the Beth we had when she first debuted, attacking Mickie. Katie is just developing her character, and it'd be good for her to be released, but it would mean she did all that work with her character, all that jobbing, for nothing. I was shocked they put Rosa in that match over Beth, Rosas swimsuit wasn't even that good.!


Nattie showed charisma when she was 'feuding' with the Bellas, also when she was playing the best friend thing with Victoria. You'd think because she's a Hart, they would push her more, but maybe Vince has something againsts Natties dad, Jim, I did read him and Vince had issues. But either way, Nattie has the package, a heel package which is different compared to your face one. They wont have her feud with McCool, it's a heel/heel thing and WWE don't seem to like doing that. Unless Melina wins the title off Michelle, and Nattie feuds with her, that's the only way I can see Nattie winning. What would be good is if Hart Dynasty won the tag titles, then Nattie, the womens title; though it looks to be like shes feuding with Eve, who will probably get the win over Nattie in the end. The crowd marks out when she puts someone in sharpshooter, why don't they capitalize on that? Nattie is interesting, she's different, and unlike other Divas, she has a personality. Personally, I think she needs to be drafted on Raw because on Smackdown the only faces she can feud with are Melina, Maria, Eve. Whilst on Raw you have Mickie, Gail and dare I say Kelly, who i'd love to see tap out of the SS. Have her fall out with her stable members, and move to raw, anything to get her away from being jobbed out again; oh and take Katie Lea with her. If you have those two on Raw, with Maryse and Beth, then the heel side would be beyond amazing, and it could really stir things up on the brand.

Edit; Starting to think this is off-topic, so just to say on topic; Mickie is going to win the title, if not then she'll win it at SummerSlam or the night after NOC; having Maryse win at a PPV would be a massive boost to her crediblity.

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RaiZ-R

I still have a feeling that Maryse is going over in this one. Even with the change in tack for her, and her having the upper hand. I doubt she'll win legit, resulting in a re-match. But I think her and Miz's fates at NOC are connected. Whichever match is on first will tell the tale of the later match. If Miz wins, Maryse is winning and vice versa.

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kertonl

I think it will be a hard thought match no doubt but mickie should win be kinda shocked if maryse got another victory over her.

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Roxy

I'd be surprised too, if i'm honest.

At the end of the day, this storyline was made to get Maryse over, not the match itself. The promos, the segments, the times Maryse got on commentary, where all done so Maryse could get her character over. If anything, Maryse was the one who has the momentum going into Night of Champions, not Mickie. Mickie hasn't had the chance to argue with what has been said about her, instead she gets walked on by The Miz, and sprayed by Maryse several times. Maryse isn't over with the crowd, and it's been noticable for some time now, they gave her the Title and let it roll, hoping she'd get a reaction, but it's not worked. Beth didn't get over when she had strong booking, just like Maryse has had, but then Beth got put into a storyline with Santino, and held the title, she actually started getting a reaction, the crowd cared, she got to show her character; the same thing is happening with Maryse, and Beth didn't even win that many matches in her second run. In the end, this storyline was not about this one match at Night of Champions, it was about getting Maryse over, about showing her character, it wasn't about Mickie, the title, it was all about Maryse.

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Viva

Yeah I think the win over Mickie 2 weeks ago pretty much gave us the impression that Mickie is most likely gonna walk out tonight with the title. If Maryse had yet to pin her up to today then I would say that Maryse woudlve won

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Roxy

First off, Michelle/Melina was not much better (but i'll talk about that in the other thread), but Maryses performance tonight was awful, infact, that's an understatement. I really do feel sorry for Mickie, her win was fantastic, but the match itself let her winning down. Maryse is capable of more than a boston crab, i'm sorry, TWO boston crabs; are you kidding me? You have more moves in your arsenal than you give yourself credit for, yet instead of losing your title in pride, you lose it in a disgraceful match where you showboat, and do nothing but flick your hair, and a weak submission. Thankgod The Miz said he was done with you (kayfabe lives~!). Mickie did her job tonight, she tried her best to make Maryse look good; selling her pathetic submissions, that nasty bump near the start of the match, Mickie made Maryse look better than she was tonight (that doesn't say much but you know, she could have looked worse). The right person won, the person that could wrestle. Maryse, go back to development, work on your in-ring skills before you attempt a match again.

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Tommy Platinum

lol I agree Maryse was pretty awful in this match. She's a horrible wrestler really, and taking the title off her was a good decision. I couldn't believe it when she locked in the second Boston Crab.

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Roxy

The only 'wrestling' related thing Maryse did which I can give credit for, was using psychology, and going after the head after Mickie took that huge bump. But after two minutes, it seemed like Maryse forgot Mickie hurt her head. I can understand her submission the first time, but if you're going to lock it in the second time, then make it look painful. It's like she just sat there, and held Mickies head up. I'm not a big fan of Maryse, i'm not a hater either though, but she's given more effort in rookie matches than last night. The only thing I can think of kayfabe wise, is that Maryse was selling the abuse she got from The Miz, but that still does not justify how sloppy and bad her performance was as a whole. That being said, Michelle/Melina was crap the first time, maybe Maryse had an off night? She deserves a second chance, lets hope she invokes her rematch clause tonight on Raw, and steps it up, because lets face it, she really has to.

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RaiZ-R

If I'm honest, I barely watched this match. It was on, and I was looking at it, but nothing happened to really grab my attention at all. Now that was know Maryse was injured (basically since her debut on Raw) I think her bad performance was understandable. Fingers crossed she comes back stronger.

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