WWE The Bash - Melina vs. Michelle McCool - Women's Championship
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Surely, you know how to read, yes? I'm talking about how her opponent manages to do one move or two... or how they only got hit with one or two moves before they get pwnt with the finisher. That is a burial, if I ever see one.
For example... the tag team match of Melina/Gail vs Michelle/Alicia.
At least, Natalya and Beth actually grasp wrestling and allow more than just several moves on them.
lol wut?
Burying is where you completely take away the crediblity of a wrestler. Look at Low Ki in TNA, before he was released, he was jobbing left, right and center, and he lost most if not all his crediblity there. That is a burial. Fans like you just throw the term 'bury' around to make yourself seem more intelligent, and it's really not working.
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Losing as much as she won? Her wins in television is more than her losses, lol. And her losses more often or not were by roll-ups or because her tag team partner got pinned as well...
I said a while back, you know, like in 2008? Go back to her feud with Chuck, Noble, Victoria, she was winning one week, losing another.
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The sad thing... several asked at a divas forum when was the last time Michelle got pinned by a FINISHER and CLEANLY? (This was a couple months ago...) No interferences, no roll ups, no disqualification bullshit. And people couldn't remember. Divas fans watching divas wrestling... they couldn't tell you. There was the DDT win by Maryse and the Glam Slam by Beth...
Tell me, when was Beth Phoenix last pinned by a finisher cleanly? Up until the Royal Rumble this year, she never got pinned cleanly, and Melinas Code Green can't even count considering it's practically a modified roll up anyway. Otherwise Beth Phoenix hasn't lost cleanly in well over a year. In her matches with Mickie, Mickie won by roll up or her thesz press which she turned into a Roll Up, or when Melina hit Beth with the boot. The exact same thing you said about Michelle can be said about Beth. Both are (or 'were' in Beths case), the top heel Divas on their brands, and they're supposed to be dominant.
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Thank goodness for Vince's fetish for her To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 20 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .
So now you know who Vince loves? Oh my i didn't know you worked backstage, please, tell me more.
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Greatly overexaggerated... considering Melina isn't a snotty nose bitch, considering she hardly ever overreacted, lol. She cried because she was leaving some friends, shockHORROR!~ and some sources overexaggerated that.
It has absolutely nothing to due with Melina's "attitude" because there was never any.
Melina actually is known for her attitude backstage. She use to constantly be bitching it out with Candice Michelle (even Candice wrote about this on a blog). Moaning or what have you backstage is still stupid, whether it be crying, because you should flat-out be happy you have a job in the first place. That and Melinas reign was shit from the start, McCool was gaining momentum going into the title match, and as i've said like a million times now, it's called getting a push.
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And I have said consistency is key.... I could also name you examples of when Michelle sold too. But you've conveniently happened to ignore the consistency point I'm trying to make.
No i don't, lol, i've stated why she's consistant. Just because i disagree with your point, doesn't mean i've ignored it.
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Because I actually watch divas wrestling, pay attention and actually remember these sorts of things? Even Michelle fans say she isn't a good seller, lol. MICHELLE FANS! That clearly tells you something. If her fans even know she isn't good at selling, then she really isn't. To provide you with examples... MichelleMcCool.net. The ones that take care of the website, moreso Katy there, would tell you that and they're her biggest fans that I know of To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 20 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .
So because other people, fans or not, think she's not very good at selling, it means its true? lol, dear lord i might as well give up with you.
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Asking me if I talk to Michelle has irrevelant to the point at hand.
How so? You acted as if you knew her and then claimed to have and behold information like you talked to her. Yeah, it makes you look stupid.
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It made perfect sense...
She changed up her moves as heel. She's changing up her moves as face.
You implied she changed up her moveset due to her heel to face turn, but that's not the case since Melina's always done that regardless of alignment.
Melina has changed her moveset also, she's doing less hair-attacks, which at one point, she ALWAYS did; eg Mickie vs Melina on Heat. Michelle has changed up her moveset and she's now got a ton of submissions, and works matches well, she's not as strong as Beth, but still looks dominant in the ring.
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That argument is quite old *shakes head*.
... considering the sloppiness was during her 2006-2007 heel days, but that has since died down in recent times.
No it's not. Melina is still sloppy now, and obviously you're not going to admit it because you're a Melina fan. Melina is sloppy when she takes falls, sloppy when she's going onto the top rope, actually in general her execution is sloppy. When WWE kept throwing 4 on 4 tag matches, everytime Melina got in, she'd sell the offense and do a horrible job.
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Oh dear lord... *shakes head again*. You didn't read.
She can execute moves well enough making them look good, that's what makes her decent. But she'll never be more than decent if she doesn't work on selling, talking, psychology, etc. That what seperates the truly good wrestlers from the rest. It's what you have to offer in the terms of the wrestling package that makes you decent, good, great, etc.
Michelle does all of that apart from talking, and if you notice, not every Diva has mic skills anyway. The only Diva with a complete package which looks good is Mickie James. So by your logic then only one or two Divas have the package? Get real. Talking doesn't matter because the Divas rarely if ever use the stick, and Michelle lets her in-ring skills do the talking for her. Like Jeff Hardy sucks on the mic, however he talks with a Swanton, and lets his actions speak louder than words. Pyschology, i'm not even going to get into this again because i've explained too many times now that she can do it, same with Selling.
If Michelle was anywhere near as bad as you make her out to be, then Maryse and Maria wouldn't have had their best matches with her. She wouldn't have had the best Diva match of 2009 with Gail Kim. Michelle bullies her opponents in the ring, similar to Randy Orton, like she did with Eve, it's her character, her strategy in the ring. When Eve made her debut she still looked solid and credible even though she lost against Michelle. You're also forgetting that Michelle is on Smackdown. Do you actually expect her to job against Maria, Layla and Eve? LMAO! Seriously, you're just bashing her for the sake of it now.
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I will admit that this match was easily McCool best match in her career thus far, and anyone doubting Melina's selling ability should realy re-watch this match cos her selling was great and a major part of what made the match great. I'd really like Michelle to figure out how to do her own finishing move though. Seriously, not once has see hit the Styles Clash and made it look good, and ho she cannot figure out how to roll it into a pin after is beyond me.
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Re: WWE The Bash - Melina vs. Michelle McCool - Women's Championship
She held it for all of about five seconds. And I may be remembering it incorrectly, but didn't she then pick her up and dump Melina on her knee? Thus working the ribs, which makes more sense considering her finisher.
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Re: WWE The Bash - Melina vs. Michelle McCool - Women's Championship
Na, she held it on for longer than 5 seconds, i've got the match myself, and just watched it again. She threw Melina out of the submission, and kicked her (in the leg), and repeatedly kicked the leg over and over - targetting the injured area (ring pyschology anyone?). And then went to run and kick Melina, but Melina ran out the way.
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Re: WWE The Bash - Melina vs. Michelle McCool - Women's Championship
The match was actually 7+ minutes, people just assuming it was a '5 minute divas match' is also quite lol. The match did contain ring pyschology because Michelle used a strategy, aka the offense she delivered onto Melinas leg. She worked around that leg through-out the match, and it's pretty clear that one form of ring pyschology is focusing on a certain body part.
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Re: WWE The Bash - Melina vs. Michelle McCool - Women's Championship
Focusing on a body part is part of ring psychology, certainly, but only when that body part is effected by the finisher used. Michelle, to my knowledge, doesn't have a submission finisher, and the submission she used on Melina wasn't intended to finish her, and would not be used on anyone that isn't Melina, due to her flexibility.
Concentrating on the leg, was a good move certainly, as it slowed Melina down, but it didn't finish her at all, and Michelle's finisher was not benefitted in anyway whatsoever from that offence. The Styles Clash would be more benefitted from back work and working the ribs... In my opinion at least.
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