King Steventon

Don't be silly Raiz-R, Michelle is clearly a master of in-ring psychology.

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ill say michelle wins here i dont want it to happen but i think she will win it an continue to get a huge push.

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TrueBlue

Michelle will probably win here, and after that hopefully a fued with Gail Kim

Roxy

Obv you're not going to agree with me because you seem to really hate Michelle, but Michelle > Kelly.

Argue with me all you want here now, but the fact is that Kelly is sloppy, her timing is horrible, and she's lucky if she can go at least one match without fucking up.

Both are boring. Neither come close to being my favorite Divas, but right now Melina is arid, whilst I find Michelles skills in the ring pretty compelling. Sue me.

And Michelle can't?

Not sure if this was a shot at me, but if it was, then fine, but I never stated Michelle was the master of in-ring pyschology. However, when someone decides to make the notion that she cannot do it, when she CLEARLY can, then i'll speak up.


Honestly, i've said it before, but i'm not even a huge McCool fan, yet the level of hate she gets is fucking stupid. Especially when people bitch there are no good female wrestlers, well she is a good female wrestler, and nobody seems to direct the hate at other Divas who are terrible in the ring.

She's like the female Triple H when it comes to the IWC. Michelle has an interesting moveset, character, and like it or not, Maryse and Maria arguably had their best matches with her. She's one of the most vicious Diva heels we've seen in a long time, and she's gotton a hell of alot better in the ring, and she is always willing to improve not only herself, but others around her who she works with. She's a company wrestler, and whether people like it or not, smarks, marks, casual fans; she can wrestle.

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Who, Melina? Not better than Michelle!

Jasmine

That logic is retarded. So it's okay for her to dominate and everything she does without the face winning in the end, because she's a heel? Uh, no. The logic of heels dominating is for the face to win in the win of the feud. Did that happen here? TELL ME. Did it happen? She dominated all her matches... a face does a move or two... she buries her opponent with her finisher. A face wins the match, she's right there beating up on the face.

Nowhere in the Michelle vs Melina feud did Melina get the fucking advantage. Not even once. In the build up, she dominated to the women's championship match. In the matches during that build up, she dominated the matches. Okay, she's a heel, they're supposed to. But they aren't supposed to be on the Superman levels of dominating, especially...
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, look at her. Does she? Exactly, she's supposed to get pwnt. But god forbid, she does so.

Wow, one of the few shocking times where she sold! How awesome.

Yipee, she sold a finisher great... that must mean she's a great seller
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. Duh, you're supposed to. My point was... she gets a body part worked on. Or she gets elbowed. Whatever it is... she doesn't sell. Opponent works on leg, two minutes later she's acting as if that leg wasn't even worked on in the first place. THAT is what I'm talking about.




And I've already said she isn't
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, you didn't read what I said, so here I go... again. Consistency - you have to do it pretty much all the time. You can't decide to sell good for 2 matches, then not sell for 3 matches after. It doesn't work that way. I've not denied Michelle isn't a good seller, but it's ONLY when she wants to be, therefore... in the big picture of things, she's not good just because she can be half the time. It has to be all the time. Duh!


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That has a fantastic point in this, really, it does!




It's because she went from heel to face? Wow, wow, wow. She did it while heel... she's doing it while face, adding in a mix of new moves to go with a mix of her consistent moves.

It has nothing to do with changing alignment
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The argument of being a better wrestler is completely relevant, because that's what exactly makes Melina more interesting. She has understood what it is to be one. Being a wrestler isn't about doing MOVES!~ It's about psychology. It's about selling. It's about charisma. It's about being able to speak on the mic. Melina has most of these qualities, Michelle merely has some.

The only interesting thing about Michelle is she can wrestle decently, I've NEVER denied that, but even then... by no means is it anything special. The crowd while as face and heel? When you get an UNDERTAKER chant as the loudest reaction during the match for Michelle (vs Melina last night), then you know something is clearly wrong.

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Roxy

Your thinking seriously is illogical. Both Edge and Jericho dominate as heels and people don't complain. And Melina hasn't been really feuding with anyone up until this point.

Lmao, that's also another illogical point. So she did her finisher, that means she buried her opponent? So that means everytime a wrestler does his/her finisher, namely a heel since McCool is one, their opponents get buried? Natalya must bury her opponents too since she dominates her matches, same with Beth Phoenix.

And here's some nice facts for you.

Michelle has lost tons of times before;

4 x against Maryse
1 x against Beth Phoenix (On her own Show on the MNTV debut)
Once or Twice against Maria
When Gail made her debut
Survivor Series via Elimnation
Notice a while back, Michelle was losing just as much as she won. Lets not forget the amount of Tag Matches she lost in 2008 too.

Oh and please check your definition of 'buried' because Michelle doesn't bury anyone. She serves her purpose, and her character is to be the 'Dominant Diva' of the WWE. And i'm pretty sure Maryse won their feud fyi. 'TELL ME' - did Maryse end up with the title? Well, did she? Yes she did.

Errrrrrrm, since you like to talk about politics *referring to another post you made in another thread*, and you like to talk about what goes on backstage, maybe it can be argued here that Melina bought this on herself by being a snotty nose bitch backstage. Pulling her face at being drafted. And Michelle isn't the only one to dominate Melina with a feud. I do believe Candice Michelle did it. She lost three times clean to Candice, then did so at their PPV match. Notice how she's getting pushed too, do people get 'pwnt' when they're being pushed? lol fuck no.

For gods sake, it's called giving examples, do you actually expect me to list EVERY single time she has sold something? Melinas selling is on par with the likes of Rhaka Khan, Michelle is a great seller, and you need to see her circuit work, because she's a fantastic seller when it comes to submissions but you're obviously too ignorant to realise this.

How do you know she sells well in one match and not the other? Now it just seems like you're reaching for reasons to hate McCool.

Thanks, you did a fantastic way of avoiding it too. Making it seem like you know more than a multi-million dollar industry just makes you look like an idiot.

This didn't make sense at all.

Everyone knows you have to change up your moveset when making a heel/face turn because you cannot use a heel moveset when you're a face. And you can't use a face movset when you're a heel.

Melina just happens to be one of the most inconsistent female performers in the company. One minute she's decent, and the next minute she's sloppy. If Melina was about pyschology, then she wouldn't be using moves like The Code Green, or Split Legged Leg Drop. And Melina screaming through-out her matches doesn't show pyschology either. She's just like every other generic diva, hair-pulling and shrieking, in addition, her execution is really slow, eg; her spring-board elbow.

Great job contradicting yourself there. You said this before; 'She can't act, she can't sell, she can't do psychology'. But then you said pyschology, selling and charisma makes a great wrestler, right? Yet you still say she's a decent wrestler, even though you said she doesn't do any of that? You're fucking up your own points now, and just subverting them, it's hilarious.

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Kizza

Wait, people believe Michelle can wrestle?

Now that's funny.

At least she didn't stab someone in the eye with he ribcages.

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Jasmine

Surely, you know how to read, yes? I'm talking about how her opponent manages to do one move or two... or how they only got hit with one or two moves before they get pwnt with the finisher. That is a burial, if I ever see one.

For example... the tag team match of Melina/Gail vs Michelle/Alicia.

At least, Natalya and Beth actually grasp wrestling and allow more than just several moves on them.

Losing as much as she won? Her wins in television is more than her losses, lol. And her losses more often or not were by roll-ups or because her tag team partner got pinned as well...

The sad thing... several asked at a divas forum when was the last time Michelle got pinned by a FINISHER and CLEANLY? (This was a couple months ago...) No interferences, no roll ups, no disqualification bullshit. And people couldn't remember. Divas fans watching divas wrestling... they couldn't tell you. There was the DDT win by Maryse and the Glam Slam by Beth...

Otherwise.................

This is the dominant diva you're talking about.


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Really? Read above for how she buries opponents.

Thank goodness for Vince's fetish for her
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Greatly overexaggerated... considering Melina isn't a snotty nose bitch, considering she hardly ever overreacted, lol. She cried because she was leaving some friends, shockHORROR!~ and some sources overexaggerated that.

It has absolutely nothing to due with Melina's "attitude" because there was never any.



And I have said consistency is key.... I could also name you examples of when Michelle sold too. But you've conveniently happened to ignore the consistency point I'm trying to make.



Because I actually watch divas wrestling, pay attention and actually remember these sorts of things? Even Michelle fans say she isn't a good seller, lol. MICHELLE FANS! That clearly tells you something. If her fans even know she isn't good at selling, then she really isn't. To provide you with examples... MichelleMcCool.net. The ones that take care of the website, moreso Katy there, would tell you that and they're her biggest fans that I know of
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Asking me if I talk to Michelle has irrevelant to the point at hand.



It made perfect sense...

She changed up her moves as heel. She's changing up her moves as face.

You implied she changed up her moveset due to her heel to face turn, but that's not the case since Melina's always done that regardless of alignment.





That argument is quite old *shakes head*.

... considering the sloppiness was during her 2006-2007 heel days, but that has since died down in recent times.

That's divas for you...



Oh dear lord... *shakes head again*. You didn't read.

She can execute moves well enough making them look good, that's what makes her decent. But she'll never be more than decent if she doesn't work on selling, talking, psychology, etc. That what seperates the truly good wrestlers from the rest. It's what you have to offer in the terms of the wrestling package that makes you decent, good, great, etc.

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King Steventon

Well this match was a waste of time and totally awful.

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