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I made a thread recently about the amount of World Title changes, but its just struck me that the last time a title DIDN'T change hands at a PPV was quite a long time ago now. Amazingly, you have to go back to NO MERCY for a PPV without the WWE or World Heavyweight Title changing hands, which means we have seen title changes at last SIX PPVS!!! We are likely to see another one this Sunday at Backlash. If that happens, it will be 7 straight PPVs and 8 of the last 9.
Do you think there are any positives of this? I personally think title changes are a lot less memorable now and the belts are losing credibility, but do you think you get more of your money's worth when you see a PPV with a title change? One thing's for sure, we can't say its predictable.
As one last question, would you prefer a quality PPV with little surprises, or a PPV full of twists and turns but without much great wrestling?
To be honest though, that stat alone deserved a thread lol.
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The titles are nothing more than props right now. They used to show that you were the top man of your company, now they are unimportant and take backseat to "personal" fueds. Ric Flair was a 16 time champ in a 38 year career. Edge is a 8 time champ in 3 years. Titles are used solely for storyline progression.
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Title changes are not very memorable at all & both the WWE & World Heavyweight championships have lost quite a bit of credibility. WWE really need to concentrate on longer reigns right now. Especially for Edge, Since November he's had 3 titles reigns and with Cena apparently taking time off there is a chance of him getting a 4th & a 9th Overall i believe within the last 3 years with the longest being around 3-4 months.
I think it's mainly due to the fact that WWE are going for more "surprise twists" now & at times it just looks as if they have no real direction and half of the decisions where made a few days before shows/PPV's.
To Answer the last question i think a PPV needs a balance of both really. It's always good to have twists & turns in a show but to many of them is not really any good.
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The titles are nothing more than props right now. They used to show that you were the top man of your company, now they are unimportant and take backseat to "personal" fueds. Ric Flair was a 16 time champ in a 38 year career. Edge is a 8 time champ in 3 years. Titles are used solely for storyline progression.
Well also remember this: Back in Flair's NWA days, there was only the NWA Championship for them. Now we have the WWE, World Heavywieght, and ECW CHampionships. So in reality, Edge's title runs are a combination of what would be 4 title runs.
Also, back in the day, we would have world champions holding titles YEARS at a time.
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I think a few quick title changes leading into long reigns is cool, but from that statistic you're looking at a good 6-9 months worth of quick changes and that's ridiculous.
If Orton and Edge walk away Champions this Sunday, I'd like to see both hold the titles for at least the next 5-8 months, longer if they can keep it fresh. If I'm honest though, I'd love to see the 'E work the two titles to it's advantage. For instance, while one title is being held on Raw (by Cena, let's say) for 12 months, have two or three shorter reigns 2-4 months on Smackdown between their top stars (Edge, Jericho, and Undertaker, for instance). Then have Mr. MITB (let's say Punk, just for sake of argument) cash in his contract on Smackdown and have a lengthy reign, while Raw's title is swapped between it's top stars (Triple H, Orton, Big Show) and so on. It would also mean that eventually you would be able to bring guys like Matt and Jeff Hardy, Jack Swagger, Rey Mysterio, and Christian up to the main event for trail run title reigns and test the waters with them for much bigger wins against the likes of Cena, Triple H and Undertaker, that would then last much longer.
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I think a few quick title changes leading into long reigns is cool, but from that statistic you're looking at a good 6-9 months worth of quick changes and that's ridiculous.
If Orton and Edge walk away Champions this Sunday, I'd like to see both hold the titles for at least the next 5-8 months, longer if they can keep it fresh. If I'm honest though, I'd love to see the 'E work the two titles to it's advantage. For instance, while one title is being held on Raw (by Cena, let's say) for 12 months, have two or three shorter reigns 2-4 months on Smackdown between their top stars (Edge, Jericho, and Undertaker, for instance). Then have Mr. MITB (let's say Punk, just for sake of argument) cash in his contract on Smackdown and have a lengthy reign, while Raw's title is swapped between it's top stars (Triple H, Orton, Big Show) and so on. It would also mean that eventually you would be able to bring guys like Matt and Jeff Hardy, Jack Swagger, Rey Mysterio, and Christian up to the main event for trail run title reigns and test the waters with them for much bigger wins against the likes of Cena, Triple H and Undertaker, that would then last much longer.
That would definitely be a good idea, but unfortunately WWE seem to do the exact opposite. When Cena was having an epic long reign in 2006-2007, Batista was also dominant on Smackdown. I remember the days of Cena/Batista/Lashley as Champions being some of the most boring I have ever seen in wrestling. Of course, after the draft, Smackdown was completely fucked over by injuries which led to a ridiculous series of events culminating in THE GREAT KHALI being World Heavyweight Champion after injuries to Taker, Edge, Kennedy... I am pretty sure they were gonna give Taker a long run though.
Now, instead of having one title being passed around like a hot potato and the other one held by the same guy for a substantial amount of time, they have both titles changing hands every few weeks. Doesn't really make sense.
As for the idea of Orton and Edge holding them for a long time, I'd rather Orton held his for ages and not Edge, because I doubt they could keep Edge fresh enough to justify it. He has been beyond stale over the last few months. That said, I would love to see Edge finally get a long reign. It would be something new I guess. I just think if anyone needs a long reign, its Orton. However, Orton's reign would be pretty embarassing because he would never go over Trips on PPV, even through cheating.
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As for the idea of Orton and Edge holding them for a long time, I'd rather Orton held his for ages and not Edge, because I doubt they could keep Edge fresh enough to justify it. He has been beyond stale over the last few months. That said, I would love to see Edge finally get a long reign. It would be something new I guess. I just think if anyone needs a long reign, its Orton. However, Orton's reign would be pretty embarassing because he would never go over Trips on PPV, even through cheating.
If Orton had beat Triple H at Wrestlemania this conversation would be very, very different... But yeah, Orton needs a lengthy title reign to make himself look as dominant as he makes out. I think if they turned Edge face after he won the title he could be kept fresh. I've said it before, but I truly believe that Edge turning face now would be great for the WWE. He's been heel so long most casual fans don't even know why he turned, so turn him back, get the people behind him again and six months later turn Cena heel. The product would feel new and different for the role reversal, and it could be brilliant.
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I've said it before, but I truly believe that Edge turning face now would be great for the WWE. He's been heel so long most casual fans don't even know why he turned, so turn him back, get the people behind him again and six months later turn Cena heel. The product would feel new and different for the role reversal, and it could be brilliant.
I agree, a heel turn for Cena would be great, but with this new PG era I don't think it would happen. The kiddies love Cena and that is who Vince is trying to appeal to right now. Seeing Cena beat, say Rey Mysterio, within an inch of his life would cause a major uproar not only with the children but with the parents who let their kids idolize Cena. Good for us die-hard wrestling fans, but bad for business, which is what Vince is all about. And an Edge face turn would be fresh but I fear that if this happens he will become another faceless good guy like all the other faces in WWE.
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What's really bad for business is allowing your top talent stagnate and become boring. Yeah, kids love Cena... So before you turn him heel give them Edge to love, and then turn Cena. Edge, before his last heel turn, was basically John Cena before John Cena was. He was babyface through and through. Always did the right thing, said the right thing, and was a nice guy. He still has that in him. It's just lost under years of being a great heel.
I think Edge has the talent to stand out as a face. He does as a heel, and always adds something new to his arsenal just when he needs to. Cena is very similar in that respect, but it's been so long since either of them were anything but the dastardly villian or the stand-up fighting hero, respectively. Swap them round, and you have fresh characters and brand new merch to sell for both guys. I think it could work.
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The thing the wwe doesn't realize is, that nowadays the best faces are going to be the ones that have at least some edge to them. You can't get people above the age of 12 to fully support a character that is "do the right thing" all the time unless he is just absolutely stunning with his ring work (i.e. Evan Bourne or Rey).
Think back to some of the most popular faces in wwe history - Stone Cold, The Rock, etc. Even Cena developed into a face from his edgier heel gimmick that rapped. The WWE seems to have forgotten this, and lately only wants to try and push vanilla faces. You can put an edgier face out without making the product rated R
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