All wrestlers should be part of all the brands

KillSteve

Nice counter argument, really proved me wrong.

I meant to say that it should be better in theory, bad wording on my part. And yet hiring bad writers has nothing to do with the brand extention. Bad writers were hired before the enxtention just like good writers have been hired afterwards.

But this is proving my point not yours. You do not represent the majority and have nothing to do with ratings. I could hate a PPV but it could sell really well, there is no correlation between the opinion of the individual and ratings.

If I was to speak from my experience I would say wrestling in general is less popular, regardless of the brand extention because there are less wrestling fans that I know of, not less wwe fans.

If people are wrestling fans, but arent watching the wwe, where are they turning to? TNA? Their ratings prove otherwise. ROH? Their PPV buyrates show otherwise.

The fact is the community of wrestling fans makes up a very small percentage of viewers and casual fans who will watch barnd extention or not make up the majority.

I agree, fire hard workers who don't actually detract from the product yet still offer alot backstage and at house shows just to save the billion dollar company a few bucks.

Those spaces ARE going to new talent, like I have said Punk, Burke, Kennedy, etc, etc are getting these spaces.

For the record, DiBiase going for the titles straight away is a hell of alot better than weeks of generic squash matches and vignettes. Atleast this way the tag team division is actually worth watching.

Who are these inexperienced-did-not-get-trained-at-FCW-youngsters?

No. Cody was brought up because the wwe were high on him from his OVW work and because it would add fire to the orton/dusty fued, not because there was an open roster slot. Jeez, do you really think they have a set amount of spots and every time one opens up they just bring a guy up to fill it?

Markus

Listen i said they go back to what it was before. That means and pay close attention that only Raw and SD be brands! No ECW!!!!

And i didn't say Vince wasn't a good buisnessman i said he wasn't that great and made alot of mistakes his damn sel again pay close attention!!! And Vince at times doesn't know whats good for the buisness. He thought it would be good if Khali was world champion so you think he really knows he would make money if he end the brand extension? Yeah i don't think so.

And most of the wrestlers wwe don't even use so they can release them and their stars they don't need so they can release them too thts a way.

And i said that the older guys are soon to rertire so the young guys will step up and take over wwe man you really need to pay close attention to my posts.

And creative thought if storylines before the brand extension and they were good so they could do it again. Their lazy cause they have so much to book thats why. With little to book they won't be lazy.

Plus with the brand extension gone their will be less titles so the divisions will be good like before.

PeaceSells

Super Moderator

Jesus, as a mod I'm not meant to flame but you have just reiterated the same bullshit points in your last post and totally ignored the points I made. Yet you have the nerve to say I should pay attention to your posts? Haha!

It's not even worthwhile replying to you Markus. I'd love to know what age you are, cause you're acting like a complete know-all when what your saying makes no sense and is equivalent to that of about a 12 year old.

Anyways, feel free to keep on topic everyone <,<

Markus

I'm 16 man and i'm not coming off like a 12th year old. I did not flame you i just said pay attention to my posts cause you was saying stuff that i didn't say and i repeated the samething i said in the posts before so you could understand me again! Since you clearly didn't before. And i'm not acting like a know it all i was just giving an opinion. People do that you know man.

And i didn't ignore the points that you made i was just trying to explain to you what i was saying since you didn't get it bro.

Assassin™

Ignoring how retarded a notion it is to think that someone's opinion can be proved wrong, you basically did the same thing. You just said the opposite of what I said. It's pretty pointless to get into a "no it wasn't" "yes it was" battle.

Because of the brand extension, they hired more writers, and that's simply because they had more shit that needed to be written. This all goes back to opinions once again because I believe the writers they've hired since the extension have done horribly, and you seem to think the opposite. I'm saying it was that need for more writers that forced them to be a little less picky on who they hired. The current crop of geniuses write to make Vince and Steph happy, not to actually make the product good.

Do you not see a correlation between wrestling fans in general and WWE fans? Quite frankly, you're talking in circles. Wrestling is less popular because there are less wrestling fans? Isn't that the same thing? That's like saying a certain rock band's ticket sales have gone down because they have less fans. Well no shit, but that doesn't say anything about why people aren't fans anymore.

My point is pretty simple, even though it seems to have not registered yet with you. There are less wrestling fans because there are less WWE fans (and someone should shoot you right now if you don't understand the connection between WWE's ratings and WWE's fans). There are less WWE fans for two main reasons (my opinion formed from my observations of course): because the product in general is harder to follow with the shows being separated; and because the product in general isn't as good. Both of those problems exist because of the brand extension.

Feel free to disagree, but do make an effort to comprehend first.

I'm still trying to figure out how that last sentence was relevant, but anyway, you're latching on to individual terms too much. I gave two alternatives. I said some people aren't watching WWE but are still wrestling fans(the fact that TNA and ROH have ANY viewers supports this--not suggesting that people can't watch those and WWE), and that some of those people who took exception to the brand extension simply aren't wrestling fans anymore. I'm not sure exactly how you want me to prove the second claim, because obviously people like that wouldn't be on a wrestling message board.

You should remember that when the brand extension was established, there were no mainstream alternatives. That means anyone who disliked the brand extension enough to stop watching WWE right then probably stopped watching wrestling altogether (and I only said "probably" because I don't have any specific examples. This isn't hypothetical though.)

It is peculiar how I can clarify something, yet you seem to be even more confused over what I actually said.

I didn't say anything about saving money. I was talking about using it more efficiently by spending it on new kinetic talent rather than on guys that are past their prime and aren't going to be contributing anything new anytime soon.

Those "spaces" I was referring to are spaces that would become much more rare if the brands were merged. That means WWE could only choose to keep wrestlers they actually going to use (which would have included those you are listing). It would force them to make more efficient business decisions.

...having him not wrestle makes the tag team division worth watching? It's kind of funny you mention vignettes because all he has been doing is promos (which have been good, but I'd rather see him wrestle).

Cody Rhodes, the Major Brothers, Bam Neely, pretty much all the new divas, etc.

There are others, but this gets kind of pointless seeing as how these are my opinions that you will most certainly disagree with. Kofi Kingston is an example of someone they introduced and pushed correctly. His feud with Shelton doesn't seem rushed at all, and he looks comfortable in the ring, on the mic, and in front of the camera. They started off with vignettes of him beating people up on the beach, then he went on an unbeaten streak, and now his feud with Shelton makes sense and is relevant to the show. Rarely do new WWE wrestlers debut like this anymore. I'm saying that ending the brand extension would allow this to happen more regularly, as it did years ago.

lol, are you really that naive? The Orton/Dusty feud was started just so they could have a reason for Cody to be on television, and because they needed someone relevant to job to Orton. It was just a way for Cody appearing on RAW to make sense. Otherwise, wrestling fans wouldn't have given a shit about him (much like they do now). How else would WWE have gotten fans to buy into his gimmick (or lack there of), his persona (or lack there of), or his random SvR CAW look?

No there is not a set amount of slots, but it is undeniable that WWE was in a bind last summer (when Rhodes debuted). RAW had a plethora of injuries and suspensions, and it desperately needed a new face on the midcard. Rhodes was not called up simply because he was the next in line or because someone really liked him, it was because he could easily be put in a feud with Orton, who otherwise would have had nothing to and needed something to boost him into the main event picture (like, idk, going over a legend and his son).

KillSteve

An opinion can be wrong. :lol: If I was to say that Iceland had the best football team in the world and that was my opinion, I would be wrong.

You still havent told me what was so wrong about 2002-2004, nice delaying of that.
Wheras every writer before the extention was a visionary genius whose only purpose in life to was to come up with the best ideas ever?

There are more companies in the wrestling industry than the wwe

If you can comprehend that then you will see that there is a difference between people who watch wwe for the entertainment and people who are actual wrestling fans.

But as I have said, the brand extention didn't get bad until 2005, at which time TNA was an established company and ROH was a viable option. The biggest factor for the drop in ratings was not the Brand extention, but the HHH taking centre stage and guys like Austin and The Rock dissapearing.

How would they be able to use them more efficiently if they had a more stacked roster? Surely HHH, Michaels, Undertaker, Cena, Edge, Jericho, Show, Orton, JBL and Batista would all take precedence over guys like Punk, Kennedy, ect. Unless you get a wave of injurys or releases, the newer guys would be stuck in a low-card position for years.

By vignettes, I meant videos which is the usual form of hype given around a guys debut.

It's better for the division because now there is an actual fued over the title that involves something more than a bunch of jobbers failing every week.

I agree that Cody was rushed up but I will make up for it by saying that the Kofi/Benjamin fued was booked terribly :lol: And the Major Brothers are good, just victims of a dead tag team division (which I will say it the fault of the brand extention combined with tri-brand PPVs). Again, I will go round in circles and repeat that bad workers have existed before and after the extention and I will repeat that point until you understand it.



lol no, I was talking from a kayfabe point of view. He appeared on TV to suuport his father in his war of words with Orton. I know it was a way to introduce him :lol: For the record I hate Cody. But as I have said he would be called up regardless of the extention because of who he is.


Also, I don't know wether you are trying to insult my intelligence or just make yourself sound like a jackass, but your feeble attempts to flamebait me do little to help your argument.

Suntan Superman

WC's Resident Samoan

I really like the 3 brands. The attitude era was so boring at times because it was the same people on every show. And that's exactly what we'd get here. The top names would be headlining each show instead of new people every now and then. I really wish they'd do away with Tri-Branded PPVs as Steve has said. Part of the fun was having guys like Kofi Kingston on the card. Plus one PPV/month is too much imo.

I'm glad we have this almost yearly draft though. I just hoped it doesn't get stacked in Raw's favor again though.

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Assassin™

You clearly don't understand the concept of an opinion. No, you wouldn't be wrong (if you're speaking subjectively and not in terms of any official rankings, because in that case, it wouldn't be an opinion). You probably wouldn't find anyone outside of Iceland that agrees with you, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

Oh I'm not delaying it, I never intended on elaborating. I just said it has been declining since the brand extension, then you basically said that such and such time period was "great". I haven't told you what was so wrong with it, and you haven't told me what was so great about, but I don't want or need you to. I happen to not be up my own ass with my opinions, and like I said, I'm not going to get into a "no it wasn't" "yes it was" battle with you, no matter how bad you seem to want it.

um...no. Very ignorant generalization and exaggeration of my views there. I said that the product was generally written better before the brand extension. How you took that to mean that every writer was a "visionary genius" is beyond me.

How is this even a response to what I was saying? From which statement of mine did you infer that I didn't know there were more wrestling companies than WWE? What does people watching WWE programming for entertainment as opposed to wrestling have to do with this discussion?

As it's been defined repeatedly now, the brand extension not getting bad until 2005 is your opinion, and believe it or not, there are human beings in existence who disagree with you, and some of those human beings stopped watching WWE well before 2005. For the people that stopped watching shortly after the brand extension (the people I was referring to here), they did not have TNA or ROH as options, but I would consider myself lucky if you actually acknowledge this anytime soon.

I think you have a faulty warrant in that question because it kind of cancels itself out. The roster would be more stacked as a result of the spaces being used more efficiently. The newer guys would not be stuck in low-card positions for years because having a less spread out roster, I think, would give WWE incentive to not have a handful of people dominating the main event scene. I think it would mean newer guys like Punk or MVP would get to the main event level a little faster actually.

um...I know what vignettes are. I associated them with promos because they essentially have the same effect. We see Dibiase Jr. on TV talking shit, but we don't see him actually wrestling. I'm saying him working his way up the roster by actually having matches would be better than vignettes or promos.

As if there couldn't have been a feud over the title without Dibiase? Or that Dibiase himself, and a partner, couldn't be building that feud right now in the ring?


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Again, I will go round in circles asking you where the hell I said that there were no bad workers in existence before the brand extension (speaking of the word "extention", how many times are you going to misspell it?)

I never refuted why they chose Cody, just when. He wasn't brought up because they were so anxious to get him on TV. It had probably been determined well ahead of time that they were going to introduce him into a feud having something to do with Dusty. That was expected. Him debuting last summer wasn't.


No, I'm definitely trying to make myself look like a jackass. lol, "feeble attemps to flamebait"? Please point me in the direction of the post where I was trying to get you to flame me.

If anything, I'm baiting discussion. That shouldn't be confused with your apparent urge to flame me.

Dr. Pr0xy

Woah, whats with all the quotes LOL

Assassin™

It's called a discussion. Ya know, where people compare their ideas with each other instead of making pointless, off-topic, once sentence posts?