All wrestlers should be part of all the brands

Assassin™

Firstly, I disagree. I think it has been declining since the brand extension. The booking has been bad because there's simply more to book. People run out of good ideas quicker when they have to come up with them so often.

I'm saying that the more teams there are and the more writers WWE has to higher, the worse the individual product is. If all three shows were linked storyline and talent wise, much less responsibility would be put on one group of writers, and obviously, WWE wouldn't need as many in the first place.

I know for a fact that one of those factors is the brand extension. Just personally, the product is less interesting when you've got three different sets of events to pay attention to. It makes the product(s) a lot harder for casual fans to follow. The ratings are obviously why the brand extension was established. I believe it's been counterproductive seeing as how ratings have decreased (and no, I'm not implying that it's the only reason they've decreased, but it is one of those "factors" you mentioned).

...yes there would. People like Funaki, Val Venis, Boogeyman, Jim Duggan, and Super Crazy (even though I like him) would have been fired a long time ago, opening up doors for some that you mentioned. And also, like I mentioned, WWE would be wasting TV time on people like Colin Delaney.

KillSteve

Alot of the mid-90s and to a lesser extent 98 to the begining of 99 were pretty bad, as was the second half of 2001, wheras 2002 was a good year, 2003 for the most part was great and the first half of 2004 was also great.

More writers equates to a broader range of ideas and more diverse product. If you have one or two people running the show and they favour a certain style or layout, thats all you are going to get. Don't like it? Tough luck. Wheras if you have more writers and a distinct difference between the brands the product will be better overall.

Show me these facts.

Also, as I have said, wrestling in general isn't as popular as it once was. If it was just people turned off becuase of the brand extention but still wresting fans, where have they gone?

All those guys you mentioned are jobbers who take up practically no air time. Firing them would only be a loss for the company. Also, I like Colin but that's besides the point. Without the draftt extention young talent would have a much harder time breaking into the wwe and the oly ones who would make it through would be the ones who Vince would like no matter the situation, guys like Cody for his last name, Khali for his size, etc

Markus

Actually KillSteve the brand extension made everything crappy in wwe. The young talent can still get their push to the top of wwe. And by ending this stupid brand extension like i said matches, storylines, and feuds will be way better which means good ratings.

And they can keep ecw but change the name please! And have a different name it could be like what heat used to be but have it be like heat in the early years not the late years. Also you will have with the brand extension gone, the title divisions being better like the Heavyweight scene would be good, the Tag division scene would be good and so will IC and U.S. divisions.

WWE only needed the brand extension at first cause wcw/ecw stars were in wwe after both companies went out of buisness. Now mostly or all of those wcw/ecw stars are gone so wwe has no need for the brand extension. And they could still make money with the brand extension gone and proably even more since their product won't be trash anymore.

wcwrules

i understand where your coming from but i think your main problem is that the storylines arent as good as it was in 2000.

Markus

Well they will wcwrules be atleast way better then now and you never know the storylines could be good like back in 2000.

PeaceSells

Super Moderator

Some really interesting posting in here, I'd love to know how Markus knows all these facts though? How do you know for fact, that storylines are going to be better? How do you know WWE will not be "trash" anymore? How do you know WWE will make as much if not more money if they end the brand extension?

Don't you think Vince, yeah you know the billionaire who's built up WWE to what it is today, knows what makes him the most money? He can practically triple his merchandising with three seperate brands and at the end of the day, money is what McMahon wants.

Anyways, as to ending the brand split, I believe yes storylines could most probably be built better if they're being used on all three shows, but with that comes the negatives of seeing so much talent being under-utilised as said by others.

Markus

Okay PeaceSells let me tell you how first the storylines will be better.

With ways back to what it was before we will have fresh feuds between superstars which is a nice way already to have a good storyline. Also with not much pressure and work load the creative team can make better storylines and feuds. And we won't see the same old feud and storyline like we do now with the brand extension cause their is limited stars on each show and a draft that comes once every couple of years or so. So with Raw and SD together again we can see fresh shit happening which will make storylines and feuds good and we won't see the same old shit.

WWE will not be more trash cause ratings will go up and you will have good matches/storylines/feuds. Unlike now.

And with that wwe will be making even more money cause if they making money with a shifest product imagine how much they will with a god product. Huh? Yeah exactly.

And yeah Vince made WWE what it is today but we fans really made what it is cause if wwe was trash now like it was back then i bet people would not be watching it and were would WWE be at now also the fact that WCW would have put WWE out of buisness if shit did not happen and their would not have been a thing Vince could do. Vince didn't destory WWE, WCW did. Not saying Vince not a good buisnessman he is but he not that great.

And Al Davis is a good buisnessman but look what he doing to Oakland. Shit! The samething Vince doing now with WWE shit!. If he was that great he would know that if his product was good he would be making even more money. Since thats what he desires.

And the talent won't be damaged. The young guys can still get a push they can still keep ECW around just not have it be a brand like Raw and SD have it be a regualr show like Heat was. And most of the older guys are retiring soon so the younger talent will really get a push and be the main people. They did it with Austin and Rock and HHH back then so they can do it now.

PeaceSells

Super Moderator

Firstly, if creative can't think of storylines now, what's the actual likelihood that they'll be able by trying to combine all three brand's worth of wrestlers? The problem with WWE lies in creative's distinct lack of creativity quite frankly and not the brand extension.

The lazy booking, and lack of pushing upper midcarders to the main event has seen them repeat PPV main events, not the fact that there's a brand extension.

And, did you ever happen to think by ending the brand extension that either WWE will have to; place half their roster in development, release half of them or try and cram so much into one show so not just main eventers are being used.

If you think that's the answer to WWE's problems. TNA is your best option.

That doesn't even make sense.

If ending the brand extension was so simply going to make Vince more money, he'd end it. He hasn't ended it, kindof speaks for himself there, doesn't it?

WCW would have put WWE out of business if shit didn't happen? Huh? WCW destroyed WWE? What? You're making no sense.

I'm sorry, Vince isn't a great businessman? Sorry, are you a billionaire? No, I didn't think so.

How do you actually know older guys are retiring? I wish I had all this inside info like you do.

And how are you going to cram, what, say even 40 guys into a weekly hour slot? (ECW)

Assassin™

Did you happen to read the first sentence of the section of my post you were responding to here? It said, "Firstly, I disagree".


...except that the product is NOT better overall (comparing the post-extension product to the pre-extension product). Sure the product is more diverse with more writers--there's a lot more shit mixed in. Vince has a habit of hiring people to be writers who have no idea what the hell they are doing, and who end up having too much to handle. That's why Vince has to go on live TV and give away cash--because his writers couldn't simply make the product watchable on their own. And I'm not sure where you get your info, but it was not "one or two people running the show" before the draft. There was, and has been for a long time, a creative team. That team would likely get bigger if the shows were under one brand again (in other words, the 3 teams would merge into one, probably with some specific allocations, but all dedicated to the same central storylines), and WWE could cutback overall with the plethora of incompetent writers they have.

I believe I already have. I said that personally, I'm less interested in the product now in part due to their being 3 separate brands with 3 different sets of storylines and way too many wrestlers to keep up with. This is a complaint that I've seen many times over the years from other people.

Sorry I can't link you to any other opinions than my own. If you've never heard anyone else ever say this, I guess you'll just have to trust me that this is how a lot of casual wrestling fans feel.

Did you happen to stop to think why wrestling isn't as popular anymore? I'm telling you that the brand extension is one of the reasons. Most the people I know who stopped watching wrestling because of the brand extension aren't still wrestling fans, or either they just don't watch WWE anymore. Shouldn't be that hard to believe.

You seem to have missed my point. Those "jobbers who take up practically no air time" are obviously still being paid, and do in fact take up space. That's space and money that could go to new talent, even if they're just jobbing. It would allow new wrestlers to be booked the way they used to be--letting them work their way up the roster instead of getting title shots right when they debut (I'm looking in Ted Dibiase' direction).

They should have a much harder time breaking into the business. It's too damn easy. That's one reason the product sucks now. You've got too many inexperienced guys being asked to do too much too quick.

Rhodes was picked because of his name. The idea to bring someone up from developmental was made simply because they needed to fill a whole in the RAW roster. Cody obviously wasn't ready for TV when he first got there (and still isn't IMO). Khali's size is obviously a factor, but he was brought in, and has been kept high on the card, because WWE is trying to expand its market (which has been reported dozens of times the last few months).

Dr. Pr0xy

Bloody hells bells, a real debate here, this should be a poll: Should wwe join all the brands together like the WWF days?