[Crocker]

Lets not forget the two real reasons Trips didnt put over John Cena at Wrestlemania 22

1. John Cena is Vince's number one guy and theres nothing Triple H can do to change that

2. I dont think Triple H would have been willing to put over Rob Van Dam at One Night Stand that year

[Crocker]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

Triple H also has not buried anyone in a long long time.. He's helped Cena, Batista, Benoit, and Orton..

What about the whole tag team division in one night?

[factum1]

Triple H jobs to wrestlers only because he has to.Because he knows by now that every wrestler is looking out on him.Especially the older guys in the company. That's the reason many wrestlers like Booker T,K.Angle, Christian,and Rob Van Dam are not in the WWE now.Thats's why he has many wrestlers who dislike him.Guys like Goldberg,S.Stiener, B.Gunn. Probally even Test by Now.When wrestlers who are talented stay enough in the business they get to realize HHH Politics.While others who are just starting out don't realize these things . When time passes by they get to understand. Sometimes HHH and HBK haved used wrestlers who are young just to help themselves and make believe there helping others. Triple H,Knew that guys like Batista and Orton were to be high stars in the company so he puts them in his group(Evolution) to later on set storylines with them for the World Title. Same thing HBK did with Kevin Nash & Sycho Sid. They were with them and since they knew they were big enough to be stars they later used them to have World Championship Title matches.No coincidence there. You see HHH was making a storyline with Randy Orton. It was actually a copy of the 4 horsemen from WCW. Where the 4 Horsemen would go against one of there own.Anyway he was in a storyline with Orton Then they gave Orton the World title from Benoit. And since HHH was in a storyline with R.Orton that made it easy for him to become champion. They helped Orton rise only to have him loose the title cleanly back to HHH and later on flush Orton Popularity down by sending him in a rivalry with Undertaker. So Orton after that became a hated heel and his popularity has never come back since. Orton began getting over again with the fans the very 1st day he game back after being fired from Smackdown. But fearing him to become popular he was sent on a feud with Hogan and later teamed up with a much hated Edge. For those who know if your in a storyline with a Popular loved legend like Hulk Hogan you will eventually be booed.And if your team up with a Hated wrestler the same goes also. So that stop Orton from being liked from the fans again to being hated as much as Edge. HBK had a feud with Hogan where he turned on to be the badguy.but then hugged hogan after the match and next time on Raw made a I'm a Face(goodguy) again speech to be loved again by the fans.Sameone Foley did after he lost to R.Flair at the Payperview. So he could be cheered again bt the fans.When Edge defeated Cena for the title there was a swing were fans were cheering Edge and booing Cena. Edge was becoming to be a One man DX. but lost the title quickly after taking that momentum away even though he helped produced the two highes rated Raw show in along time. Which they said that was more due to people wanting to see him loose the title. which was crap because after Edge being out of the title picture the ratings never were the same. He got tot be on the title picture again , but he wasn't doing the things he did before on Raw and he wasn't seen as a Face like he was begining to be in his 1st feud with Cena. So Cena took his Place as Champion ratings went down and there he was HHH waiting to face Cena a Mania. That's the main reason Edge lost the title so quickly even after giving very high ratings. Rob Van Dam could have won the Royal rumble in his Comeback and faced Edge at wrestlemania. Remember Rob was from Raw.Or they could have made a Double winner liked they did with Luger and Bret Hart and Mysterio and Rob each challenge there own brands. Same thing happen this year Jeff Hardy could have won the Rumble and faced Orton,but because HHH wanted to be in the mainevent and win the title there or at Backlash. Hardy was put on hold. I know Hardy was suspended. but it was the intention that count's. HHH has surely used steroids ,but he's the most protected wrestler in the WWE. I could go on and on with more great reasons why he hurt's the WWE and helped himself.and his buddies.I tell you right now if it wasn't cause of him and Vince. Kennedy could have been more like StoneCold Now. Jericho could have been more like the Jericho of old. Carlito could have been more lie a caribbean Ric Flair.but in a more different style. Carlito started flopping like flair in the beginning and was colorful and entertaining, not to mention he is the best wrestler in the company. He's athletic he can be technical and he could be a rough nose wrestler.Fullpackage and he isn't that skinny like other small wrestlers.just look back at his 1st tapes on Raw.And M.V.P. could have done better things not to mention Jeff Hardy. And if Edge were to be face he can be a one man DX. just put him in a storyline with Vince and you'll see. And Christian Cage on TNA is very much like Edge only more entertaining becuase he isn't a heel that isn't hating on the fans like they did with Edge.If the WWE tells a wrestler say bad things about the fans when your at the ring. Fans start disliking the wrestler. This was done in Edge hometown of Canada Fans are cheering him instead of hating on him for being a heel. So the WWE doesn't want this so he stars cursing on the fans and there's he's booed again. Are fans suposed to hate who ever the WWE makes you hate.I especially dislike this when a wrestler who is heel (badguy) is beginning to be liked from the fans or getting over with them,so the WWE makes him sware at the fans or something and then he's booed again. In the old days the WWF let fans cheered a good wrestler if they wanted and cheered heel if they wanted. But if someone fears the heel might become more popular they put him in situations where fans will discontinue to start to like him.And that was done with Carlito,Kennedy,Orton,Edge,MVP,Jericho and these guys were begining or were getting cheered and the WWE switch them from being great faces to disliked heels.Jericho has been made a Heel or a dumb face. He got punished like a idiot from both HBK and Batista.So all you see is the legends or HHH friends or former friends being push. Like Batista ,HBK, Orton and before retiring Flair. J.Cena can't be denied and Edge was about to leave the company like Christian which obligated the WWE to push him and not let him go. So he decided not to take a vacation like Jericho and RVD did so. So open your eyes cause the next time you start liking a wrestler if he not asociated with HHH he might be flushed down the toilet or made a hated heel.

[Blitzkrieg]

I'm not disagreeing that Triple H has had his faults.. but lets be real here. Triple H, like him or not, has always had all the tools and the drive to be a main eventer. There's no doubt in my mind that he'd have been just as successful in WWE if he weren't married to Steph. Who is more consistent than him on the mic or in the ring? He always delivers and always puts in a 100% even when he doesn't have to. Meanwhile, guys like Hogan mailed it in for YEARS..

He's buried a couple people.. probably.. arguably. I don;t believe Booker T is a legit main eventer, but I suppose it could be argued.

He's made careers for Batista and Orton, yes.. he's put over Cena. He put over Benoit. He could have easily came back and taken the strap from any of those guys.. outside of Orton whom he has defeated on a couple of occasions, but he never did it.. A guy like Flair would have made sure he was guaranteed a receipt. Like when he always had to get the person back.. whether it was Sting, Steamboat, Garvin, the list goes on and on. Hogan was the and still is the same way.

Triple H is nothing new. there's guys with stroke in the business and they usually earn it. HBK can do whatever the hell he wants. Same with Taker.

What are we even discussing here?

[factum1]

There's lot of talent in the WWE that could do better if they were given a chance or space.Space to be a top babyface and something new and fresh. Because of legends that only want to win all the time and only be with top stars others great wreslers wait to long to get there break. Guys that are ready now . If Rock or Austin would have been played by politics we would have not gotten to see much of them if they were pushed way to late. But that was a time where the WWE lost many Legends like Nash,Hall,Bret,hogan,Savage. Guys who continued to have a good career on WCW.

If they had stayed there would probally never have given Austin,Foley,Rock pushes to be World Champs so soon. And guys like the Hardys,Edge & christian would probally wouldn't have enough T.V. time. I describe some HHH like with Orton that were just a way where he would used him to become champion and later on he was never as popular. In Wrestling no matter how great you are you'll never have a good push if you don't work as a Babyface. That why Hogan ,HBK,Taker,Bret Hart, rock,Angle and Austin are among the greatest top stars ever. You have to be Face, with the Strap around you at the same time if you want to be consider among the greates. If Austin had never left the Shadow of Legends in the WCW he would have never become Famous.Remember he got fired he didn't quit.

Many young wrestlers are ready with the right directions other can't be denied like Cena. others need a good push with a good storyline and ride with it till they could do it on there own. I also never said Booker T was a top shelf star ,but he could have done much better before he got his push. He also had a better look with the short hair and beard. With the look he had now it was more like Scott Hall without his beard. Theme music is also impotant for a wrestler.Remeber Christian did became bigger in TNA.He got a better music and the rest was on him.

He's entertaining a good wrestlers and he can talk on the mic with the best of them. He would have never gotten where he is if he didn't left the WWE. And if he returned to the WWE he could have a Jericho type of impact. Before somebody pulls the plug afterwards. Some wrestlers just live out cause of there legendary status. And fans just seem to always go in favor of a legend. so if you put a rising star up against one that will only stop there momentum and they'll have a 90% chance of being booed if the Legend happens to be a face.

Ric Flair was probally more popular in the WWE than ever ,because of him just being known as a legend.And if HBK were a rookie in these day of age, fans would have booed him just like Cena,Girls and kids would dig him ,but guys wouldn't. Because fans just don't see wrestlers like they used to. If Cena lived in the Hogan era he would have never been booed.Infact if he hadn't changed to be to much of a babyface he still would have been liked and not desliked by some.

See fans would have rather had him more like the Bad Ass Cena. A rapper,but more like a Austin type of way.Believe me i know. I saw this all passed with in my eyes. I used to like lot's of wrestler i don't anymore. I don't like politics and Two faces. I have had childhood wreslers let go by seeing the real him. I only like to be entertain with great stories young stars,and great matches.just like the ones RVD put in the old ECW.Or Bret Hart had with like every wrestler he faced.They should put Kennedy in a storyline with Vince.Give him back his old Music ,not the one his voice sounds more like he's screaming and not singing.That only bring fans to dislike him from the very get go.And Kennedy who started watching wrestling cause of Stone Cold, could bring back fans; a type of Stonecold era.like the Rock used to say.out with the Old in with the New.Just for a better wrestling show.

[Necro]

^ holy shit. Keep posting haha. You are on fire...

[Randy Orton]

lol i know. he has typed more in his posts than i have in the last 150 combined

[The Half Boy]

Right now, I think HHH is hurting the WWE, or at the very least, hurting my perception of it.

I felt sure that when he won the title, we could get rid of the ugly fucking Spinner, but no, HHH is still carrying it. So for that reason, yes, he is hurting it.

[Slimdust]

Originally Posted by The Half Boy

Right now, I think HHH is hurting the WWE, or at the very least, hurting my perception of it.

I felt sure that when he won the title, we could get rid of the ugly fucking Spinner, but no, HHH is still carrying it. So for that reason, yes, he is hurting it.

haha i saw him come out with that and was like NOOO! I don't understand it. To me its the most ugliest championship belt ever. Maybe its growing on people, but not me.

[Dakstang]

Originally Posted by Slimdust

haha i saw him come out with that and was like NOOO! I don't understand it. To me its the most ugliest championship belt ever. Maybe its growing on people, but not me.

It isn't growing on me either.

I hoped as soon as Cena lost the belt they would switch it back, and now that it hasn't happened I think everytime the belt switches hands they are going to change it back only to be disappointed every time.

I guess we are stuck with the piece of crap belt.