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Old 03-22-2005, 02:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't like the fact that WWE looks the other way when it comes to steroids. I think maybe they(and maybe TNA) should be forced to do random steroid testing. I'd rather see smaller muscles on wrestlers if it meant getting them stop using steroids.
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Old 03-22-2005, 08:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's there in the WWE and people just seem to accept it, like it's a normal occurrnce. It's funny though how that seems to be the only sport where it is accepted and with others it's a bad thing.
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Old 03-22-2005, 09:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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It's there in the WWE and people just seem to accept it, like it's a normal occurrnce. It's funny though how that seems to be the only sport where it is accepted and with others it's a bad thing.
The easy answer to that, is that it is not really a sport so to speak, so that is why it is accepted.
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Old 03-22-2005, 09:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I think random testing is going too far...These guys know what steroids can do to your body. To me it's not WWE's job to make sure they are clean. It's not like Baseball where the player gains an advantage over the other players.
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Old 03-23-2005, 03:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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"I think in baseball or any other sport where somebody can gain an unfair advantage over somebody when the rules state you can't use a performance enhancing drug because someone can gain an unfair advantage in a legitimate competition because of those drugs. I think than they should be tested. I think there should be punishment for the guys who do them. I think they should be regulated. I am not a big believer in the government stepping into sports, but I think it needs to be taken care of within the sports themselves. In other forms of entertainment there is no benefit to be gained by using steroids. It is like saying well, if you take steroids are you going to be a better actor in the movie. It's entertainment. You aren't going to win the contest by improving your athletic performance by taking steroids. I don't see as how it would apply."

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Old 03-23-2005, 09:19 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think you need to look at why steroids were devolped in the first place to answer this question. There is no doubt that using steriods to help become big will a)work and b)make you moody. But that`s not what they`re originally about. They are there to help injuries and keep muscles working. Aurguably the WWE or any professional wrestling isnt competition (yes i know you compete to get you`re spot by being the best but at the end of the day the booker decides who goes over not your bicep size or your muscle recovery time) so steriods used by guys to help them back to work or to continue working are by definition "medication". Performance Enhancing Drugs is a much thrown about phrase when describing steriods but in a company such as the WWE it is all about "performance" so surely by that argument the "enhancement" of any wrestlers "performance" is for the good of the company and for the good of the individuals career.

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hmm..don't you think abusive use of Steroids in order to boost one perfomance could be labeled as a Performance Enhancing Drug? I sure do. And how can the abuse of a controlled substance be good for anything, whether it be a career or a business or a persons life. Your last sentence there is a ridiculous statement, IMO.

I think ALL sports and athletes should be thoroughly tested. No if and buts about it. Too many athletes dying at young ages, 45, 50, 47, etc. When do we start doing something about it instead of turning a blind eye as we continue to do....ANYONE who thinks that Steroid use as a Performance Drug is not widspread in all Sports, is an idiot.

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Old 03-24-2005, 02:09 AM   #17 (permalink)
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hmm..don't you think abusive use of Steroids in order to boost one perfomance could be labeled as a Performance Enhancing Drug? I sure do. And how can the abuse of a controlled substance be good for anything, whether it be a career or a business or a persons life. Your last sentence there is a ridiculous statement, IMO.

I think ALL sports and athletes should be thoroughly tested. No if and buts about it. Too many athletes dying at young ages, 45, 50, 47, etc. When do we start doing something about it instead of turning a blind eye as we continue to do....ANYONE who thinks that Steroid use as a Performance Drug is not widspread in all Sports, is an idiot.

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As I said in my post it is performance enhancing but seeing as WWE is`nt true competition why is that a problem?

My last sentence being a ridiculous statement? It was a discussion point and not and opinion but to argue the case for. Is it not good for a guy`s career if after an injury he can get back to work in a shorter amount of time to therefor earn more money (yes I know he could be shortening his career in the long run). And whose choice should this be? Now the question becomes about the "nanny state", who has the right to make these decisions and why do some governments make them for individuals.

IMO steriod use in any competetive sport is wrong and should be tested for/punished by that sports governing body.

IMO steriod abuse is wrong full stop.

IMO steriod use to aid recovery is fine.

IMO steriod use to look good for entertainment purposes (both acting and wrestling) is a very grey area.
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Old 03-24-2005, 09:50 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I agree with all of your IMO points. except the last one.

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IMO steriod use to look good for entertainment purposes (both acting and wrestling) is a very grey area.
How can abuse of a drug for entertainment purposes be a grey area? Entertainment or not, it is Abuse of a drug intended for medical purposes. Steroids was not invented to enhance someones physical abilities beyond their own. That is drug abuse. Plain and clear. Use of steroids for perfmormance or physical enhancing pruposes is abuse. Whether it be for entertainment or not, it is still drug abuse. Steroid use to "look good" has cut many people's lives short. Is that OK? Or a grey area? How can use of a drug to LOOK GOOD be a grey area? It's not grey, it's drug abuse. It's a grey area because there is so much money wrapped in professional sports that no one wants to throw a wrench in that bread maker. Money is more important than life to these types of people. They keep pumping their athletes up with drugs and then recycle them with the next generation. What happens to the retired athlete? Oh, he lives an ok life for the next 5 years maybe and then croaks from a heartattack because his heart explodes from all the steroid use he did during his athletic career in order to look good or better or Enhance his performance. Great stuff.
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Old 03-24-2005, 02:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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kajayshh,

I agree with all of your IMO points. except the last one.



How can abuse of a drug for entertainment purposes be a grey area? Entertainment or not, it is Abuse of a drug intended for medical purposes. Steroids was not invented to enhance someones physical abilities beyond their own. That is drug abuse. Plain and clear. Use of steroids for perfmormance or physical enhancing pruposes is abuse. Whether it be for entertainment or not, it is still drug abuse. Steroid use to "look good" has cut many people's lives short. Is that OK? Or a grey area? How can use of a drug to LOOK GOOD be a grey area? It's not grey, it's drug abuse. It's a grey area because there is so much money wrapped in professional sports that no one wants to throw a wrench in that bread maker. Money is more important than life to these types of people. They keep pumping their athletes up with drugs and then recycle them with the next generation. What happens to the retired athlete? Oh, he lives an ok life for the next 5 years maybe and then croaks from a heartattack because his heart explodes from all the steroid use he did during his athletic career in order to look good or better or Enhance his performance. Great stuff.
I worded it carefully and said "use". The grey area is this, dosage. There is "safer" amounts that can cut risks. Surely a person in this area can choose his own risk levels.

Otherwise what you say about athletes is bang on the nail, and I`ve agreed professional sports people choosing to use or abuse steriods to enhance their ability to compete is plain cheating. But actors and wrestlers choosing to use steriods at a safe (or should the word be safer) dosage for either cosmetic, or in the case of wrestlers, to be able to come back to work after injury is IMO their choice. Why should they be nannied?
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Old 03-24-2005, 02:50 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I dont know much about steroids, but is there a "safe" dosage of steroids that would actually generate results? For instance, I'm sure you could take a miniscule amount of steroids, and such an amount would be "safe", but would such a small amount actually have any benefit? Or do you need to take an "unsafe" amount to see results.

I certainly agree that in actual competetive events (Olympics, professional sports, etc.) the use of steroids is straight-up cheating. I think most people would agree.

As for using it for cosmetic purposes, the problem is that the pressure to continue to use it in unsafe amounts is extremely high in professional wrestling. Its a very cut-throat business. Let's say Wrestler X uses what is considered a "safe" amount of steroids. He's getting a little bigger, a little more cut, but because of his natural body type, he's not getting to HHH/Batista/Brock Lesnar levels. So then he starts ramping up the dosage to unsafe levels, because he feels the pressure to be as big as HHH or Batista, or else he wont succeed in the business.

Basically, I think that if Vince allows his performers to use steroids at "safe" levels, the pressure to ramp up the dosage is too great. It would be safer for all involved if steroid use was simply not tolerated by WWE management, unless done under the supervision of a doctor.

Not to mention the fact that using steroids without a doctor's prescription is illegal
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