Danny Diamond

Founder/Admin

It appears as if people take one side or the other with this guy.

Some love him no matter what he does and some people think he is washed up, old and past his prime.


Whatever it may be, and whatever your opinion of the Lord of Darkness is, nobody can deny his drawing power and overall addition to the WWE.

He is in the best shape of his wrestling career even though he is over 40. He sells more now then he ever did before and will be the gap between the new WWE and the old WWE.

He helped put Cena on the map last year, and my guess is by Summerslam he will have the belt only to lose it at WMXXI making it his first loss ever at a WM. It should be to Cena as well.

Those are my thoughts on the Undertaker.

Love him or hate him, he is a legend in wrestling.

ICEMAN

I've always appreciated the Undertaker. He's come a long way workrate-wise since he began in the WWE in 1990. He's added new moves, adapated a new wrestling style, and has been able to stay relevant through WWE's changing times. I know the knock on him has been that he hasn't done enough to put young guys over, but I think that is a thing of the past. Even though he beat Cena a few weeks ago on Smackdown! it was a good match and not once did I think that Cena didn't belong in the ring with 'Taker. He's always going to be near the top of the card because people love to see him perform, especially live. Go to any event and 'Taker is going to get one of the loudest pops of the night. He deserves it and I think he still deserves his spot near the top of the food chain. I don't think he'll go down as one of the best workers of all time, but his gimmick will.
-Djwlfpack

Papa Shango

I'll sit on both sides of the fence on this one.

The guy is a phenomenal wrestler, and is probably the most improved wrestler in recent times. But in terms of putting people over her has done virtually nothing.. unless you count losing to Brock while having a broken arm as putting somenone over.

I fail to see how his feud with Cena benefitted Cena in the slightest. taker kicked out of his finisher and beat him.. what a way to put someone over.

Taker shaked Jeff Hardys hand after beating him in a match? wow, what a way to put someone over.

Taker beat Booker T? wow, what a way to put Booker over.

Taker beat kane for the 64th time at wrestlemania? yeah, Kane looks unstoppable now.


Basically, as much as i enjoy Takers improved ring work.. he is still the selfish man he always was. Name me anybody in recent years who has defeated Taker cleanly and benefitted from it?

He is a legend no doubt... as would anybody who for the greatest part of his career was told to no sell any offense by his opponents. Thats not a bash on the man himself.. He carried the gimmick to perfection. But when your gimmick is being a dead guy who beats EVERYONE, then your going to get pretty over with the fans.


A Man of his age should now be putting younger people over. Taker has nothing to lose now.. him jobbing cleanly to people now and then wouldnt hurt him one single bit... it would only serve to help others.

Steveo

Do we have to do this again? I beieve the last time we discussed this the topic had the same title too.

Danny Diamond

Founder/Admin

If anything Shango, I would venture that Vince wants to keep Taker unbeatable rather than Taker refusing to job for people.

Isnt he widely considered the leader of the locker room?


I think Vince has a huge amount of respect for Taker and realizes that while he still has something in his tank and his career winding down within the next couple of years that he should be doing well.


Also Shango, I reckon you can't even recall the last time he was the WWE Champion. HHH on the other hand............... :roll:


Please with this crap. Taker is main event and is basically keeping Smackdown on TV at this point.



Also, name one main eventer that puts people over. I will give you guys the Rock, but I feel that it was mainly because he knew his time in the WWE was almost up.

Danny Diamond

Founder/Admin

You dont have to do it again.

Papa Shango

Simon, please dont try to tell me what I know and what I dont know just because I disagree with you.

Lets look at people in the main event, those people who dont put anybody over. For the first time in my life im going to defend HHH and say he put over Shelton Benjamin.. TWICE.. granted it went nowhere.. but he did it.

Kurt Angle has established guys like Eddie and Benoit.. Sure he beat Benoit, but he made him look credible in the process.. unlike Taker who hardly sells a damn thing for more than a few seconds.

Steve Austin is also just as selfish and takes his ball and goes home when he has to job.

You covered The Rock. And there is a perfect example of an untouchable guy. Rock can job to anybody, and still get the same great pops.. the same as Taker could.

Eddie jobbed to Bradshaw.. and also helped to establish him as a somewhat credible heel. Taker doesnt estalish anybody. He no-sells their offense then pins them with his designated finisher.

Vince, nor Taker has anything to achieve by keeping a man unbeatable, especially when this man will be hanging up his boots in a couple of years.

And yeah, I suppose Taker is keeping SD afloat.. but Like I said, he probably has the greatest gimmick in WWF History, and he is now retreading that gimmick.