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03-23-2004, 02:34 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | Molly I disagree. He was a heck of a wrestler and a pure athelete, but had zero mic skills :S Thats why he debuted with Heyman. He was pushed because he was a hell of a talent in OVW, and WWE really needed a new main eventer.
Im pretty sure that had he debuted back in 98ish when Austin and Rock were in the middle of their rise to superstardom, he would never have been pushed to the moon as he was. He was in the right place at the right time, and Vince actually had a solid, big wrestler he could push.
My credentials for main event talent include charisma and being able to carry a feud on an emotional level. People like Guererro, Angle, Austin, Rock and Jericho can do that, as well as being solid in the ring. Brock needed work and Vince took a risk, but Lesnar adapted well and took the ball and ran with it. | | |
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03-23-2004, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Creature of the Night Molly I disagree. He was a heck of a wrestler and a pure athelete, but had zero mic skills :S Thats why he debuted with Heyman. He was pushed because he was a hell of a talent in OVW, and WWE really needed a new main eventer.
Im pretty sure that had he debuted back in 98ish when Austin and Rock were in the middle of their rise to superstardom, he would never have been pushed to the moon as he was. He was in the right place at the right time, and Vince actually had a solid, big wrestler he could push.
My credentials for main event talent include charisma and being able to carry a feud on an emotional level. People like Guererro, Angle, Austin, Rock and Jericho can do that, as well as being solid in the ring. Brock needed work and Vince took a risk, but Lesnar adapted well and took the ball and ran with it. | You saying he has zero mic skills is an opinion of yours.
I think he has fantastic mic work.
When he speaks on the mic, he sounds like himself, he sounds normal, casual, and relaxed.
Brock's mic work doesn't sound gimmicky and goofy when he speaks. His WWE character tries to be like himself, no one else. | | |
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03-23-2004, 02:43 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | Molly, im sorry, but I did say HAD.
They had to work on it, which was why he was aligned with Heyman in the first place. Heyman was the method behind Lesnar's madness. They knew that having zero heat and cutting a promo like he does (or should I say did) now, would have resulted in a complete failure in his gimmick. If hes a relentless monster, he needed to cut promos to act as such. Without getting pedantic and arguing over details, his pairing with Heyman was a major factor of him getting over. | | |
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03-23-2004, 03:19 PM
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Rep Power: 24 | Lol, I don't know why I said soner. I meant slower. I think Brock nad some Mic skills but his personality was odd and his voice was that of a 12 yr old so it was like having this huge guy coming off sounding timid. | | |
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03-23-2004, 03:23 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | You know what? I guess it really doesn't matter what Brock wanted to do or what anyone thought because that man could just tear anyone he wants limb from limb. "What do you mean I can't leave Vince?" Brock proceeds to tear off Vince's head with his teeth. "You're putting me over Brock." says the Undertaker. Brock rips off Taker's arm and beats him to death with it. I think that man can do whatever he wants. I know I would be afraid to tell him no. | | |
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03-23-2004, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Steveo You know what? I guess it really doesn't matter what Brock wanted to do or what anyone thought because that man could just tear anyone he wants limb from limb. "What do you mean I can't leave Vince?" Brock proceeds to tear off Vince's head with his teeth. "You're putting me over Brock." says the Undertaker. Brock rips off Taker's arm and beats him to death with it. I think that man can do whatever he wants. I know I would be afraid to tell him no. | Exactly!!!
This is why Brock is leaving because he can't do what he wants in WWE.
If Brock wanted to rip off 'Taker's arm and beat him to death with it, he would, but since Brock can't do what he wants and being forced to do things the writers tell him, that's what Brock doesn't like. Instead WWE just makes him look like a wimp. | | |
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03-23-2004, 03:32 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | I think he just got tired. 25 years old is a time to be traveling and slack off for a bit cause you just graduated college. I think had he taken like a year off to do nothing before he went pro he would have been much happier. | | |
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03-23-2004, 03:54 PM
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Rep Power: 24 | Actually Kurt and him had a shoot wrestling match and Kurt came out on top. I heard it was close but Angle won.
I think they should have kept pushing him as a monster. I don't blame him for being pissed. Goldberg walks in and gets to be a monster and even leaves as one. | | |
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03-23-2004, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Steveo I think he just got tired. 25 years old is a time to be traveling and slack off for a bit cause you just graduated college. I think had he taken like a year off to do nothing before he went pro he would have been much happier. | Or maybe Brock feels he isn't ready for Pro Wrestling yet, the 2 year run in WWE was just a temporary thing for him. | | |
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03-23-2004, 04:11 PM
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Rep Power: 6 | Lesnar was entertaining when he was a heel, when he destroyed guys at random, and when he no sold offense. He was great when Heyman used him as a tool to posture himself in the WWE. Once they turned him face, and then turned him into a whiny heel, it was over - that could kill any character. It killed Vader, it all but killed Kane, and it just killed Lesnar. | | Former PWA Champion, Current Generalissimo |
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