Bret Hart vs Kurt Angle - Who would win?

Bouchie

Assuming this match took place when both were in their prime (and that wrestling was actually real. lol), who do you think would win in a one-on-one match? Who do you think is/was the better wrestler?

I'd say Bret Hart (in his prime) would win in a hard-fought match. I think Hart was a better technical wrestler overall. Kurt has the amateur background but Bret would still come out on top.

Thoughts? Feelings? Concerns?

sPuff

Agreed.

Kurt Angle may have the Olympic Gold and the Amateur background.

But Bret Hart is a better mat wrestler / technician.

Brets father was trained by 3 shoot fighters, so the basis of Brets 'real' skills would be shoot fighting and therefore would pretty much dominate Kurt.

It would be close! dont get me wrong, but Bret would just have an extra edge I reckon.

Kurt Angle is a class act, especially since admitting he is a total Bret Hart 'mark'. Its a shame it will never happen. One of the biggest crimes in sports history I dare say!

Muchos gracias amigos,

sPuff

AudioSavior

There is no way Bret would win. Kurt's strength is much more then Bret's ever was. Kurt and Brock has some free time and they wrestled for real. Kurt one but it was close. You are gonna tell me Bret could out wrestle Kurt? Kurt went up against guys a lot bigger a lot tougher and Brets experience compared to theirs is a joke. So he trained with his father. Big deal. How many real wrestling matches has he had compared to Kurt?
There is no way Bret would ever win. I would be a lot of money even Bret himself would laugh at the though that he could beat kurt in a real match.

What do you have to back this up? Nothing, just assumptions and that makes a weak argument. If it were really going to happen lets think of it as odds, Who do you think people would put there money on? Bret heart?Come on. Bret a Bretter mat wrestler? Why because he did the sharp shooter? Kurt has been trained his whole life to fight real wrestling matches and did so. Bret wasn't.

Dreds

It would be close but I think Bret would take this one...Bret has always been the most feared man in the locker room for a reason and thats because he could kick the shit out of everyone. In a match run by WWE, I think Bret would win as well, just because he is my favorite wrestler

Big Deal??????? I thought Stu was one of the toughest man alive...it was called the dungeon 'cause people were crippled by him...and wasn't Jericho trained by Stu as well? it's no wonder Goldberg was taken down by him when he tried to beat him up not too long ago.

AudioSavior

It was Benoit who was trained by Stu. Bret so tough? lockerroom rumors? Come on. None of it facts that can be proved. Kurt has proof and he wears 2 of them around his neck. It blows my mind to think people actually think Bret would win.

Ya Stu was tough but so what. being tough doesn't mean you are the best fighter. Perfect example is the UFC. Throw Bret and Kurt in the UFC and Kurt would last a lot longer then Bret would. Bret was trained to Wrestle and was taught with a heavy hand. He knows how to do wrestling moves that mostly are fake. If Kurt can out muscle Brock, I seriously doubt Bret could out wrestle Kurt. It is a great insult to Kurt and all he has done. Not to mention he did it with a broken neck. Goldberg ended Brets Career with 1 kick to the head..

sPuff

IdaMan, have you anything to prove A shoot fighter will always (always!) destroy a wrestler.

And more on training with his dad. Bret has said himself the amount of 'real' fights he has had in "the dungeon" has been more than he can remember. fighters who he had rinsed out were embarrassed that they were beaten by him and would try and do dirty tricks to him, like biting him and eye gouging and shit like that. Then Stu hart would come in and just sort them out. Stu Hart was a tough SOB, dont be fooled.

Go to bret harts website and check out some of the older commentary and you'll see what he has said.

Muchos gracias amigos,

sPuff

AudioSavior

I don't care what the stories say. Like I said, being tough doesn't make you a better fighter.

You need to watch the UFC and see what tough is.Bret's training was very limited in regards to what he would know about actual wrestling.

Stu was a dirty fighter and he trained dirty too. I seen a lot of footage of him training and all it mostly showed was him putting rookies in holds they wern't shown before and didn't know how to get out of.

Dreds

....UFC???? LOL LOL LOL dont make me laugh....if you stuck Kurt or Bret or Brock in there, they would kill somebody.....ok, i'll admit that the fighters are tough and all (Tank Abbott :lol: ), but comon Kurt would destroy those guys in seconds. Now we all know wrestling is fake and if someone thinks that someone like The Rock or Stone Cold or HBK can take on Angle, then they are fools, but Bret is a tough mat wrestler, maybe the best.

sPuff

you wanna talk UFC?! okay dude. Then answer me this?

Royce Gracie...

The man is tiny. But using Brazilian Jinjitsu he dominated the first 3 (or 4?) UFC tournaments, he took down guys twice his size.

And your sitting there saying that kurt is tougher than bret because he has more strength (i.e - is bigger)

Your the one who brought up UFC because you thought it would benefit your argument. But you've fucked yourself by saying the above quote, because size has nothing to do with being a better fighter.

If you paid attention to any UFC match you may have watched, you would have seen that bigger doesnt necessarily mean better?

Thanks to Royce Gracie, he is the reason UFC has so many submission based fighting styles. Take a look at the first UFC tournament, and you'll see what I mean! The majority of fighters in that first tournament was mostly kickboxers and wrestlers and one or two shoot fighters and Royce Gracie.

After that tournament fighters rethought their strategy, because they realised the power of shoot fighting and brazilian jinjitsu

Now back to my original point of...

Kurt has a amateur wrestling background which means he's good on the mat. Ameteur wrestling is not a full submission based fighting style. Im not saying Kurt doesnt know submissions because he does, but he wouldnt of learnt it primarily on amateur wrestling.

Shoot fighting on the other hand is a hybrid sport which combines Muay Thai Kickboxing and Submission wrestling or Jujitsu. Shootfighting is a complete Style in that it is well versed in standfighting and in grappling.

This is taken from a shootfighting website so you can get a better idea of what is involved:

So your theory about kurts size/strength is made void in this situation.

Sorry if it sounds like im geeking off, but I started this argument being un-biased and being fair to both Kurt Angle and Bret Hart (i.e - not slating either of them off) and then IdaMan came along and decided to just slag of Bret Hart without any reasoning?

To insult Bret Hart like that is just down right disrespectful.

//edited to tie up any loose ends

To put Kurt Angle or Bret Hart into UFC is a joke because its a different situation of fighting for them.

Bret Hart has shootfighting skills but they are nothing compared to people like Royce Gracie or Frank Shamrock ( Brother of Ken Shamrock ), Brets skills are still primarily wrestling, but with a advantage of having shootfighting as a bonus for him. So to suggest that either man should even contemplate the UFC is ridiculous!

oh yeah one more thing

Whats the best way to learn?

a.) the easy way?
b.) the hard way?

You figure it out. Stu Hart put rookies in hold they couldnt get out of to train them better. I was always told that "If it hurts you dont forget it" This principle applies here obviously.

Muchos gracias amigos,

sPuff

AudioSavior

I never mentioned size for one thing, for another, there is no proof how Bret can really wrestle. There is proof that Kurt can wrestle guys of any size and come out on top. If I saw evidence that Bret wrested real matches and proved undefeated for the most part then I would say it would be a close match and not know the out come. But everyone here is basing Brets skill ad a real wrestler on assumptions and what they heard he did while being trained with Stu.

Everyone saying Bret is a tough mat wrestler but I don't see where the proof lies other then his training. You think Kurt was trained by panzies who didn't have a clue what they were doing?

Kurt has more experience and training then Bret could even come close to. If Bret was so good why didn't he try out for the Olympics or have all these great trophies on his shelf to prove it? Your arrument is based on assumptions and your liking for Bret.

I like Bret just as much as Kurt. I am sticking to the facts.