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A lot has been made of this stat. Including the recent Cena/Orton title match at the HIAC PPV, a combination of HHH, Cena and Orton have faced at 28 PPVs. This includes multi-man matches such as chambers and tags, but not rumbles. I wouldn't be surprised if Cena/Orton continued, and then HHH/Orton again down the line. The question is, how surprising is this stat? Does it represent WWE's predictable nature and failure to push new stars in this current era, or would you find a similar stat if you counted up the PPV matches between any triangle of top stars in previous eras, such as Austin/Rock/HHH?
Jim got me thinking about this by saying that at the time, people complained about Rock and HHH facing each other too much. Are people just complaining as they do in every era, or do they have a point about these 3 guys facing each other far too much on PPV?
Bragging Rights spoiler:
And like Rock/HHH, Cena and Orton are facing in an ironman match, making it 29 PPV matches between a combo of the 3.
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I think they have a good point, and I completely agree with it. It's become too predictable that HHH/Cena/Orton will be in a main-event at a PPV, and it's been that way for years. They bring up a lot of people from ECW/FCW, but all they do is regulate them to low/mid-card status with no real hope or chance of becoming a contender for a top spot/push.
When I was a huge WWF/E fan (late 90s-early '00s), Austin/Rock/HHH were the big three, and all of their matches - in my opinion - were great. It could've been the atmosphere around the angle, or the whole "attitude era", but it was a culmination of good angles and regular **** matches between either of the three. When the trio became HHH/Cena/Orton, it became too predictable. On the Raw side, you know one of them (or two) will be main eventing.
It's a shame because the matches don't add anything, and it's a kick in the balls to everyone that things they might get a shot. And, it's unfair for the fans to keep shelling out the money to see the same matches every month.
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I hate it, but I don't hate the fact that they've faced each other a lot on PPV. That's fine. However their isn't enough freshness mixed in between it all for it to work. If we got a Swagger, Bourne, Miz, or Kofi added to a match or instead of one of them for a PPV, that'd help freshen things up and make it less boring. I mean, look at HHH. I find him bearable now ever since he stopped being with Orton/Cena and started the DX/Legacy feud.
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Yeah you're right about that. Once again it comes down to the fact that WWE inexplicably refuse to give midcarders title shots just to try them out and break the monotony. MVP interrupted Orton a few months back and never got a shot.. why?
As well as everything else, I think Champions seem more worthy and formidable if they can rattle off a list of names they've defeated, rather than constantly being booked against the same guys before losing it. When is the last time someone defended against say, 5 different opponents during a World Title reign?
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That's a great point and what I loved about Cena's reign and even the Age of Orton (to a lesser extent). They had names they could list of who they beat and held it for more than a few months.
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It's disappointing. I mean to be honest, I see a place for that in wrestling. It shows competition and equality between guys. However, when EVERY fucking title is like it, it doesn't work. If you had say..the RAW one like that and the SD one with a long reign, or the quick reigns for six months then a long one, it'd work. But for like a year or two every reign being a few months is terriboo.
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It honestly wouldn't be a problem if the matches were, you know, good. You can have guys main event for a decade or so if they fit the bill of being a draw and producing main event calibre matches, but if they aren't producing the goods, then you have a problem.
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It honestly wouldn't be a problem if the matches were, you know, good. You can have guys main event for a decade or so if they fit the bill of being a draw and producing main event calibre matches, but if they aren't producing the goods, then you have a problem.
Eh I don't know about that. Even if the matches were really good-great consistently, at a certain point it'd need to be fresh.
I think you're both right to an extent. Two guys can face each other a hell of a lot without it becoming too stale, provided the matches are good and they don't just wrestle the same match every time. That said, there is always going to be a time when it becomes too much, and in feuds that last years, it's a lot better if other guys are getting shots in between to help prolong the feud without it getting stale, while also building new stars for the future.
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