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I haven't said that it wasn't Andre's choice, I have merely given you reasons as to why when you see most of his taped matches he is slow and clumsy looking, that being that it was coming up towards the end of his career and he was by then an old man in pain.
Andre obviously loved to entertain, and his form of entertainment was being inside the ring, as far as I know Andre had very little family, and those that were still around were back home in France so his one true love in life was being in front of a crowd doing what he'd done for most of his adult life. I think, given the choice after filming the Princess Bride in the 80's he would have probably stayed in the movie business as by then his body was paying the price for all those years in the ring. But as you can work out, there isn't exactly a huge call for 7'0" + actors so it was back to wrestling.
As for the circus thing, I haven't personally read that, but coming from the era it would have been in I can quite believe it. But I think it's also quite obvious why he chose a path in wrestling over staying in the circus, I mean, what you prefer? Travel the world making more money than most of us can dream of and connect with people emotionally for decades or sit in a tent night after night with people pointing saying 'look at that tall man, isn't he a freak'. I know what I'd choose.
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I have merely given you reasons as to why when you see most of his taped matches he is slow and clumsy looking, that being that it was coming up towards the end of his career and he was by then an old man in pain.
I've seen matches from the early 70's. Not very good at all. I also don't think matches that weren't taped are relevant.
When I said I made the effort to find Andre matches I really did. I watched what I could find. There is a dip in quality when it comes to earlier matches and his WWE matches, but it's not significant.
But I think it's also quite obvious why he chose a path in wrestling over staying in the circus, I mean, what you prefer? Travel the world making more money than most of us can dream of and connect with people emotionally for decades or sit in a tent night after night with people pointing saying 'look at that tall man, isn't he a freak'. I know what I'd choose.
Most people who watched Andre were looking at him because he was a freak. He didn't say in territories for too long because the novelty wore off.
If you're going to be looked at like a freak, you may as well be a freak who get's paid well and does nothing. Over one who has to take falls.
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Think we're going to have to agree to disagree, I personally feel that Andre, for his size was a good wrestler, he was never going to have a 60 Minute Iron Man match with Bob Backlund but he could put together a decent match and tell a story, which is the main thing. By the matches that weren't taped, I meant there isn't many recordings of Andre in his prime, not that every single match he had that wasn't taped he suddenly became a technical master. Also, yes he was viewed as different in wrestling, but by different it was as someone to be feared and appreciate his awesome size and power, not to be pointed and laughed at by snotty nosed kids in French backwaters. And finally, how many films have you seen that required someone of Andre's size? I can think of two, House of 1000 Corpes and it's sequel The Devil's Reject's, oh and the one's that Khali has appeared in. Still, hardly enough work for a long and successful career on the big screen is it?
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And finally, how many films have you seen that required someone of Andre's size? I can think of two, House of 1000 Corpes and it's sequel The Devil's Reject's, oh and the one's that Khali has appeared in. Still, hardly enough work for a long and successful career on the big screen is it?
Hundreds, maybe. Big people are always needed for film. In the 80's you had the big muscular action heroes, they frequently needed to show how dominant they were by defeating somebody bigger and stronger than them. Somebody like Andre The Giant.
Khali will have an impressive movie credit list once his wrestling career is finished. Just like Nathan Jones & Kurrgan.
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Nathan Jones has appeared in eight movies. Kurrgan meanwhile has appeared in two movies that i know of. Hardly a high demand. And neither are anywhere near as big as Andre.
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Name value isn't important when you're primary focus of a film is to be a big man who's killed.
It's not like anybody outside of wrestling cares about wrestlers. It's why Steve Austin can be the 2nd biggest star in modern wrestling history and he can only land small parts in ensemble movies.
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Neither are brilliant, Andre made his name being the first giant, if it was Khali rather than Andre back in that time then Khali probably would've had the same status as Andre.
But am I alone in thinking that Khali is overall, a better performer?
Yes.
The fact of the matter is, in the 70's and 80's wrestling fans looked for different things from their performers than we do now. Most fans thought it was a legit sport (until the 80's at least) and thus feared and respected someone such as Andre and looked at him with awe. Now, we're used to seeing such giants on our screen because promoters (thanks to Andre) search them out. You can't compare Andre to Khali for that simple reason. Andre was a pioneer of super heavyweight wrestling and a legend, he may have been slow and lacked finese, but he paved the way for Khali, Big Show and the like.
Also, while Khali makes me laugh as a face, his heel run was terrible. Andre on the other hand was actually a fantastic heel and scary as hell... As well as a lovable face you could root for. In ring their skill sets are very similar, it's the emotional aspect where Andre beats Khali hands down.
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Name value isn't important when you're primary focus of a film is to be a big man who's killed.
It's not like anybody outside of wrestling cares about wrestlers. It's why Steve Austin can be the 2nd biggest star in modern wrestling history and he can only land small parts in ensemble movies.
If "Name value isn't important when you're primary focus of a film is to be a big man who's killed", then why did you also say-
"Khali will have an impressive movie credit list once his wrestling career is finished. Just like Nathan Jones & Kurrgan. " ?
There's a chance people will buy a movie ticket to see Austin, especially if he's in an ensemble cast where he doesn't have to carry the film. I don't think there's a chance anybody is buying a movie ticket to see Jones, Kurrgan, or Khali. Actually, I don't think there's a chance anyone would buy a wrestling ticket to see those three either.
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Meaner than a rattlesnake, tougher than shoe leather, more dangerous than a hollowed-eyed scorpion, middle-aged and crazy, crazy like a fox.
There's a chance people will buy a movie ticket to see Austin, especially if he's in an ensemble cast where he doesn't have to carry the film. I don't think there's a chance anybody is buying a movie ticket to see Jones, Kurrgan, or Khali.
Only wrestling fans would pay to see a Steve Austin movie just because of Steve Austin. The same applies to the other. The only difference is that Austin would attract more fans. As you would expect.
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