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Well that I don't agree with. WWE recognized two belts, the World and WWE. Back before the split, during the MNW, there were still three recognized titles by WWE and WCW, including their belts and the NWA belt. It was probably easier to win it back then then it is now...if not the same.
But the whole point is that when they were in seperate companies, if you were handed the title, you were THE man in that company, as in the only guy representing the company as THE Champion. Now you are just one of three guys in WWE (although really it is one of two).
Explain how that is the same?
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Re: If HHH surpassed Flair's 16 World Title Reigns...
never really look at how many times they won it cos if they won it 10 times they must've lost it 10 times, lol. think the amount of times they defended the title is more important and should be looked at more rather than the amount of times they won it.
never really look at how many times they won it cos if they won it 10 times they must've lost it 10 times, lol. think the amount of times they defended the title is more important and should be looked at more rather than the amount of times they won it.
Good point but that is not the way WWE put it over. They ignore the fact that some people get the title for say, a year, and others only for a few days. A title reign is a title reign and the more reigns the better.
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The sad thing is that Flairs title reigns lasted a long period of time. At least one of Triple H's reigns lasted about an hour and a half. I dont really care though, I just shutter at the eventual conversation about it all.
That was typical of that era though. Hogan held belts for years. Moolah had the women's title for what, 30 years? Different era, different booking, different audiences, and I think this is a big part of it, viewed differently. They wanted to be like boxing and hold titles for long periods of time. back before the big "sports entertainment" secret was let out the bag. Everything now is different. Fans would not stand for somebody holding a title for a year or two. Hell, people get restless and demand a change if a guy holds a title for 4 months.
Will he pass 16 title reigns, yes. Will I care, no. It isn't hard racking up the title reigns when you're boinking the bosses daughter.
Tired argument. There's a lot more to his success than that, but whatever. Believe the BS. Does that have something to do with it? Of course. No matter what you do, if you're fucking the boss's daughter/son, obviously you're going to get privleges your co-workers won't. But you and people like you play that up WAY to much like it's the overwhelming factor and that's just ignorant on a lot of levels.
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Will he pass 16 title reigns, yes. Will I care, no. It isn't hard racking up the title reigns when you're boinking the bosses daughter.
HHH was already in the main event before he was even with Steph. Hell, he has already won the title and still had Chyna on his side. No one can say he wouldn't be where he is today if he didn't have Steph because he made it there without her. Sure Steph has power, but Vince isn't going to give HHH the title 13 times because his daughter pushes for it. Come on people. Who honestly believes that?
As for the record, I hope he does break it. Records are meant to be broken. It makes things more exciting and creates even more memories. I think it's stupid for people to believe it's disrespectful because the only way you get the record is to break someone else's. Which means that Flair had to disrespect someone else in order to get the record in the first place. Besides, the record doesn't make the wrestler. If Flair is really as great as he is built up to be, he really doesn't need it to solidfy his status as the greatest on his generation.
Sure Steph has power, but Vince isn't going to give HHH the title 13 times because his daughter pushes for it. Come on people. Who honestly believes that?
So you think that Hunter would of lost the WHT and won it back a month later in 2002, lost it for 3 months before winning it back in 2003, lose the title in late 2004 only to win the vacant title back and win the title at No Mercy only to lose it by the end of the night on his own?
Even the biggest haters of Hunter isn't denying that he earned the early title reigns, but now a decade later, can you really say you feel he's deserved most of his reigns since 2002?
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So you think that Hunter would of lost the WHT and won it back a month later in 2002, lost it for 3 months before winning it back in 2003, lose the title in late 2004 only to win the vacant title back and win the title at No Mercy only to lose it by the end of the night on his own?
Even the biggest haters of Hunter isn't denying that he earned the early title reigns, but now a decade later, can you really say you feel he's deserved most of his reigns since 2002?
Did Flair deserve all 16? Did Hogan deserve all his? Has Edge deserved all his? How about Cena? The treatment he gets in the WWE, maybe he's fuckin Vince. When has he not had the title or been in a title program? Comes back after an injury and wins the Rumble and goes onto Mania to take his title back.
Nobody has deserved everything. Yet Triple H gets the most shit for it.
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Did Flair deserve all 16? Did Hogan deserve all his? Has Edge deserved all his? How about Cena? The treatment he gets in the WWE, maybe he's fuckin Vince. When has he not had the title or been in a title program? Comes back after an injury and wins the Rumble and goes onto Mania to take his title back.
Nobody has deserved everything. Yet Triple H gets the most shit for it.
A reason to keep someone in the main event would be Hogan. Hogan brought the WWE some of their best business ever. Whenever the title was on someone else, house shows didn't bring in as much money. I'd easily say he deserved those early reigns. Has Hunter did that?
The difference between Hunter and Cena/Edge is that Hunter has been doing this for 10 fucking years. Do you realize he was in the Raw title match on PPV every time from Unforgiven 2002 to Backlash 2004? Hell, the very next Raw PPV, Hunter was in the main event even though he wasn't in the title match. But unlike Hogan, Hunter has remained at the top while ratings and attendance continues to drop. The average rating of a Hunter free Raw in 2007 was higher than when he was around.
Do you also realize that Hunter has been kept in the main event longer than Hulk Hogan's original run (Main one), Steve Austin, The Rock and Bret Hart? And yet, wrestlers with strong backings such as RVD, Benoit and Booker was teased in the main event before pushed right back down the card so Hunter could remain as the top guy.
Do you also realize that every single Raw main event at WM has had Hunter in it (Minus the one he was injured for)?
With the exception of Cena, no one else is really able to become a main eventer and stay there (Unless they go to a different show).
So maybe there is a reason why people trash Hunter still after all this time.
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Re: If HHH surpassed Flair's 16 World Title Reigns...
Tom, you do realize one of your three favorite years in wrestling had as many titles in WWE as they have now, but with each wrestler on the same brand? AND TWO world titles. >.>
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