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Has anybody else noticed how recently the World Titles have been changing hands recently? Since Triple H had his epic long reign, the WWE title has changed hands 3 times in only 3 months. First Edge won the title from Triple H in typical ''ultimate opportunist'' fashion, then Jeff Hardy finally realized his dream by pinning Edge in a triple threat at Armageddon to become WWE Champion. One month later, Matt costs him the belt allowing Edge to capitalize once again, and then at No Way Out, Triple H emerged victorious in Smackdown's elimination chamber to once again reign supreme.
Meanwhile on RAW, while the World Heavyweight title has not been changing hands with the same regularity as the WWE title, it is still very different from Cena's epic reign of 06-07. Punk lost the title back at Unforgiven, with Jericho walking out Champion after the RAW Championship Scramble. Batista won the title from Jericho, only for Jericho to win it back in a cage on RAW. Then, Cena won the title in his return match at Survivor Series. Finally, last night, Cena too was vanquished as Edge forced his way into RAW's elimination chamber and emerged victorious.
Basically that makes 9 title changes since Unforgiven....which is quite an alarming amount.
What are your thoughts on all these titles changes? Does it devalue what it means to be the Champion at all?
I think there are pros and cons of this. I mean, on the negative side, will any title change really mean anything at Wrestlemania after this series of events? Wrestlemania often marks the end of a long reign, so the changing of the guard is a big deal. This time, it couldn't be more different, with both titles changing hands the PPV before after several other changes over the last few months. They are going to have to make Mania something special because no title change will mean anything.
Then again, on the plus side, this is fascinating booking. I personally prefer it when the titles change hands quite frequently, as it is unpredictable and entertaining. It makes a refreshing change from the Cena/Batista era when they held the respective titles for a long time, and also from Triple H's long reign through much of 2008.
Overall, I think the frequent title changes are good, but I do think it can be overdone and it needs to become less chaotic after Wrestlemania.
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My main problem with it all is that no one is benefitting from it. Hardy was a high mid-carder, won the title, then wen back down to where he was before. Edge won the title, then lost it and rewon another in the same damn night, and is in the same position he was. Triple H.... well, he doesn't need any more title reigns at all.
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My main problem with it all is that no one is benefitting from it. Hardy was a high mid-carder, won the title, then wen back down to where he was before. Edge won the title, then lost it and rewon another in the same damn night, and is in the same position he was. Triple H.... well, he doesn't need any more title reigns at all.
Agreed. Moving titles around quickly usually doesn't help anyone much. If its done for specific storyline purposes, it can work. But otherwise.... It just feels jumpy.
Cena dropping the belt to Edge was good in storyline terms. But why have Triple H win? Having the belt adds very little to the Trips-Orton storyline. And while Edge had to drop the WWE title to grab the other one, why did Edge get the WWE title in the first place? Why give Hardy such a short run, to end that with a very short Edge run...?
Agreed. Moving titles around quickly usually doesn't help anyone much. If its done for specific storyline purposes, it can work. But otherwise.... It just feels jumpy.
Cena dropping the belt to Edge was good in storyline terms. But why have Triple H win? Having the belt adds very little to the Trips-Orton storyline. And while Edge had to drop the WWE title to grab the other one, why did Edge get the WWE title in the first place? Why give Hardy such a short run, to end that with a very short Edge run...?
Well Orton won the Royal Rumble so he needs to face a Champion at Mania. Plus, it seems a lot bigger with the belt on the line, as Orton becoming Champion against Triple H would certainly cement him as a top guy who can stand toe to toe with anybody.
I agree that it was bad the way Triple H lost the title originally without putting Hardy over, and Edge's short reigns can get annoying, but at least Triple H's era of dominance may help Orton.
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Well Orton won the Royal Rumble so he needs to face a Champion at Mania. Plus, it seems a lot bigger with the belt on the line, as Orton becoming Champion against Triple H would certainly cement him as a top guy who can stand toe to toe with anybody.
I agree that it was bad the way Triple H lost the title originally without putting Hardy over, and Edge's short reigns can get annoying, but at least Triple H's era of dominance may help Orton.
If Orton takes the belt clean from Triple H, then it doesn make a difference. If they do a "keep Triple H strong even as Orton wins", then it really doesn't.
Oh yeah, there are occasions like that, also JBL, Shane Helms (although not a major title), shame it dosen't happen often enough.
Triple H held it for quite a while last year too. Backlash to Armageddon. Orton held it for a long time considering he is heel too. Usually the faces get the long ones.
The main problem is that other than Cena/Tista/Trips, nobody gets a reign that is in any way meaningful. It is like it is just filler, then the title finds its way back to the eternal Champions.
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Does anyone believe that a title can change hands often without losing value as long as the wrestler gains something out of holding onto the title? Now granted people think his title run was garbage, and he has taken a backseat of sorts in booking since he lost the belt, however, I'll use CM Punk's reign as an example. He went from mid card jobbing, to cashing in MITB & winning the World Championship, to beating some upper level wrestlers. Now of course CM Punk didnt exactly beat the wrestlers cleanly, but he didnt exactly cheat to win either. There were so many wrestlers gunning for what they saw as a weak champion, and they ended up screwing themselves out of the belt. Thats still not the point though. The point is CM Punk took on all challangers and in the ring, he stood up to them and got in equal offense. He may never be World Champion again, however, he stood in the ring with uppercard wrestlers and he won. Now no matter where he is on the card, CM Punk has the credibility of being able to be near the main event scene, and even in the main event scene without looking as lame as Khali would in the same situation.
Now by the same token, Jeff Hardy spent almost a year in the main event scene of both Smackdown and Raw, only to win the WWE Championship, and because of an angle he spent the better part of his, little under an hour, less than one month reign not on television. Now after losing his title not only does his whole title hunt look like it was wasted, but he is heading pretty close to the mid card scene in an angle that has taken a backseat to almost everything else. Since the chair shot the cost Jeff his title, the only progression in the angle has been two promos. That's pretty horrid for progression in a month.
For me its not the fact that the belts are being passed around like a hot potato, the problem is that the belts are being past around without helping to develop a character. When I look at Triple H winning the WWE Championship, its obvious that his match with Orton and Wrestlemania could serve the same purpose without a championship belt. I get the title could help Orton, but really how much is a title worth when you consider him taking out the whole McMahon family( Minus Linda) and Triple H within a two month span. With Edge winning the belt, well it just proves of how big a joke he is. He has only had one championship reign where he didnt somehow have the advantage to begin the match, and that was part of the back and forth belt swapping rivalry he had with Cena. I get the fact that his gimmick is taking any opportunity given to him, but at some point he has to have a title reign where he is simply the better man that night. Hell he doesent even have to be the better man, just a match that he is booked in, and where his opponent starts fresh. He can hit his opponent with a chair, get the pin, and look more credibile than he has so far in his career.
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