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Actually, I'd say comparing CM Punk's reign to Hardy's is a solid comparison. Punk did get elevated by having the belt. He had it for about three months, which isn't a bad run at this point. It did elevate him. I think they could have done a lot more in that regard by making him look stronger, but I don't think turning Punk into a legitmate main event player was ever the WWE's plan.
Whereas the Hardy run with the WWE championship was relatively meaningless. It didn't do much for him because it was so short and did nothing to make him look more credible.
Yeah I don't think CM Punk is any more credible or any more a main eventer now than he was then. Both reigns were terribly booked and didn't help anybody.
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I didn't think it elevated Punk anywhere near as much as it could have. But he did defend the belt. He did show he could be in the ring with the main eventers and not look like a chump. So I think it made some difference.
A big problem is that the WWE didn't try to keep him there once he lost the belt. It was right back down to the midcard. So anything that had been gained was lost.
I didn't think it elevated Punk anywhere near as much as it could have. But he did defend the belt. He did show he could be in the ring with the main eventers and not look like a chump. So I think it made some difference.
A big problem is that the WWE didn't try to keep him there once he lost the belt. It was right back down to the midcard. So anything that had been gained was lost.
So it didn't elevate him, because it didn't make any difference to his position on the card once his run was over. He is no more credible now than he was then. If anything, he is less credible because he looked like a bit of a joke as Champion to me, when he could have been having the solid midcard run he is now. I don't see how defending it means much. He got in the ring with main eventers, but he always looked like he didn't really belong.
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Yeah I don't think CM Punk is any more credible or any more a main eventer now than he was then. Both reigns were terribly booked and didn't help anybody.
He certainly is more of a main eventer than when he was jobbing before cashing in MITB. Just look at the people who were questioning why CM Punk wasnt booked in the Raw chamber match at NWO. Sure he wouldnt be credible enough to have a major championship run, but now he can stand in the ring alongside John Cena on Raw against a heel tag team without someone looking at Cena's team seemingly having a weak link in Punk. Punks reign showed that he can stand toe to toe with wrestlers bigger than himself and hold his own. Thats something that would never be if it were not for Punks short reign.
He certainly is more of a main eventer than when he was jobbing before cashing in MITB. Just look at the people who were questioning why CM Punk wasnt booked in the Raw chamber match at NWO. Sure he wouldnt be credible enough to have a major championship run, but now he can stand in the ring alongside John Cena on Raw against a heel tag team without someone looking at Cena's team seemingly having a weak link in Punk. Punks reign showed that he can stand toe to toe with wrestlers bigger than himself and hold his own. Thats something that would never be if it were not for Punks short reign.
I think there are ways of building guys up without giving them the World Title. You should make them credible THEN give them the World Title. Even before he won it, he would be credible enough to be in an elimination chamber. I mean, Mike Knox was in one and Kofi was announced for it...
As for the Cena comment, it depends. If CM Punk was in the ring with someone like Batista, Orton etc, I would say he looks out of his depth. He has lost clean to all the top guys, even heels.
The title reign really didn't change anything. Without it he would still be at this level.
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Punk beat JBL two sraight times and went to a no contest with Batista in a match where he controled for the most part. Other than Orton, I dont remember any really big name wrestlers that he has lost cleanly to.
Punk beat JBL two sraight times and went to a no contest with Batista in a match where he controled for the most part. Other than Orton, I dont remember any really big name wrestlers that he has lost cleanly to.
He's lost to Jericho at least twice cleanly, maybe 3 times.
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So it didn't elevate him, because it didn't make any difference to his position on the card once his run was over. He is no more credible now than he was then. If anything, he is less credible because he looked like a bit of a joke as Champion to me, when he could have been having the solid midcard run he is now. I don't see how defending it means much. He got in the ring with main eventers, but he always looked like he didn't really belong.
Its a matter of perspective, I guess.
The reason I think it elevated him is because when he held the belt, he was in matches that he wouldn't have been in without it. He was on pay per veiws against the likes of JBL and Batista. No, he wasn't beating them cleanly. But he was in main card matches on pay per views against established main event players and he wasn't losing. To the best of my recollection, he wasn't in that position before he won the belt and he hasn't been since.
The E could have kept Punk in the main event scene and titlte chase after that, but they chose not to. For whatever reason, he went back down to the midcard. So having the belt didn't keep him at a level above what he had been, but it did put him up there for a time.
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