Breakdown Of 2007 Releases For The Next Gen Consoles

Spinoff360 · 01-02-2007, 10:00 PM

Wii

Racing-0

Fighting-3

RPG-3

Action-13

Adventure-10

Flight-2

Platformer-3

Puzzle-3

Shooter-1

Sports-8

Total - 44

Xbox 360

Racers-12

Fighting-5

RPG-11

Action-58

Adventure-22

Flight-2

Platformer-2

Puzzle-2

Music-2

Shooter-32

Sports-18

Strategy-4

Total - 170

PS3

Racers-10

Fighting-5

Action-44

Adventure-8

RPG-5

Flight-2

Music-2

Puzzle-1

Shooter-30

Sports-13

Strategy-2

Total - 122

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This has been posted at some other forums I go to and is a couple of weeks old so there have probably been a couple of games added for other consoles.

Anyway, they used the IGN release date lists since it is easy to do a breakdown of genres. But it isn't just the IGN lists. You go anywhere and you will see a lot less for Wii than PS3 and 360 on coming soon lists. Another example would be on EB's site Wii barely even goes onto a fourth page while PS3 and 360 go onto the 7th page with a lot of releases on the 7th pages for each.

Also note that this does not count any of the XBLA, VC or PS3 downloadable games and strictly retail games.

Now obviously there are some games listed as 2007 that won't make it out in 2007 or even ever possibly and the lists might not totally be up to date but they do have recent updates like Virtua Fighter 5 for 360 listed. Then there are some that have not officially been announced listed as well as others that we don't know about yet that will be listed eventually. But all of that will apply to all consoles and not just Wii so it isn't an excuse that Wii will catch up. Same as using the excuse that Wii is new since PS3 is new as well.

The Wii list shows exactly why I not liking it. Not even one racing game which is one of my favorite genres? One shooter (Which is a port of the next PS2 MOH game)? Didn't Nintendo fans hype Wii as being the future of shooters? Not only has it not been great for shooters so far but now all it can get is a PS2 port? Not even a downgraded version of the next gen MOH game? Only 44 games?
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Wasn't third party support supposed to be better than GC had because that is exactly the kind of release numbers GC saw.

360 and PS3 are pretty much even in most genres with a couple where 360 is offering a fair bit more. For me I will get my share of racing with games like Forza 2, SEGA Rally Revo and DIRT: Colin McRae Off-Road on 360 and F1 and Motorstorm on PS3 so it will be a great year for my racing game love
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Then of course games like Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Tekken 6, the HL2 Collection with HL2, HL2E1, HL2E2, Portal and TF2 (Which I will probably get for 360 and for PC as well but I am pretty sure there is just a bundle with HLE2, Portal, TF2 and not the other games I already have on PC) and Ninja Gaiden Sigma just to name a few
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Oh what the hell I will go on a little more...... Assassin's Creed, BIA Hell's Highway, Haze, Army Of Two.......... ok fine I will stop because I will be here all night if I don't. Is it any wonder why I am much more positive toward 360 and PS3?
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EDIT: Out of curiosity I also just went and counted PS2 and it has 81 listed as 2007. Could PS2 really end up seeing more releases than Wii? And that isn't just awful value games like PS1 saw a lot of when PS2 came out. That is some big games like God Of War 2.

Inogenius · 01-02-2007, 10:03 PM

I am definitely looking forward to Forza 2.

You bring up a good point -- I can't help but wonder how easy/hard it is to port a 360/PS3 game over to the Wii. The amount of degradation that has to be done for the GC/Wii processor to support it has to be absolutely tremendous and heart breaking for the developers who spend hours creating their games with every nook and cranny possible.

Mr. Kennedy · 01-02-2007, 10:26 PM

That info is really outdated. Just today Ubisoft announced 4 Wii games to be released in March, on of which is Brothers in Arms D-Day (although it's probably just a port since it's from Ubisoft).

Even though Xbox 360 and PS3 may get more games, most of them will be released on both platforms and not that good (shovelware). The Wii will also have more games that I like, and I care more about quality than quantity (I would rather have 3 great games than 10 mediocre games).

Spinoff360 · 01-02-2007, 11:10 PM

PS3 and 360 have a lot of exclusives still and getting ports from them to each other or PC is much better than last gen ports or even DS remakes
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And I don't see a lot of quality on the Wii to use the quality over quantity excuse that Nintendo fans have already used far too much to try and justify GC. Super Smash Brothers Brawl and ummmmmmmm
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Ok No More Heroes has me interested since Killer 7 was great and I do like Wario Ware games. But the only other one is Super Paper Mario.... yay for buying a next gen console to play GC games. And even Nintendo fans can't argue that one because last time I checked Zelda was leading Wii sales. Pathetic.

Oh and Wii is getting just as much if not more garbage than 360 and PS3. Rampage, all the games based on family movies etc. Oh and Line Rider. Yes a free flash game on PC is getting made into a Wii game. Wasn't a free 3D golf game being released for Wii with online play removed bad enough without resulting to flash games as well? Especially when you can play flash games with the awful Wii browser. Then any last gen ports (95% of Wii games) are garbage because next gen consoles should have new next gen games. Not ports from 5-6 year old consoles. Why buy a new console to play games on consoles you have owned for a while?

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The reality is that this is just once again pathetically bad third party support for a Nintendo console. The excuses to try to defend it have been done so much that it is just getting pathetic. Good third party support is not getting last gen ports trying to cash in on one more version. Which like I said in the other thread will end when last gen development stops leaving Nintendo screwed.

Jayman · 01-03-2007, 09:16 AM

I wrote a 50 page paper on the Nintendo Wii for my Marketing class last semester talking about how Nintendo is marketing their console. Giving you the watered down version, basically their prime market is children and women, a market not gone after by Sony or Microsoft. You have to understand that kids/women aren't the type of people who go out and buy video games each week, so why try to "crank out" games that often if they won't get bought?

I agree with Kennedy, quality over quantity. And nobody cares what you think of the Sports golf game, Spinoff. Again, it isn't being marketed towards you. My cousins (aged 5-10) brought over their Wii on Christmas, and spent hours playing that game, along with my wife and aunts. They loved it, and they didn't care about the graphics. Kids love flash games, too. They are easy to play, bright colors, cool sounds...stop looking at the technical side of things and start looking at this from a marketing point of view. Nintendo is, and maybe that's why they are killing Sony's sales on the PS3.

If you want games with graphics, then buy a Playstation3. We all knew ahead of time that graphics, etc wasn't gonna be their strong selling point.

Spinoff360 · 01-03-2007, 09:56 PM

A lot of people are waiting to get PS3 until games like MGS4 are out. If Wii wasn't so cheap (Well cheap but overpriced) then do you really think it would be selling when the game selling it is on Gamecube as well? Also we are coming off the Holiday's. Parents are more likely to buy a Wii for their kid than a PS3 or 360 due to the price. But when it is all said and done Wii is not going to be a contender this gen and I am not just predicting that. I am making a guarantee. If you really think a last gen console getting pretty much nothing but ports of PS2, GC and Xbox games or even handheld ports will continue to sell then well sorry but you are way off. Especially when last gen development stops and there are no last gen games to port. And like I have mentioned with Wii being weak developers can't just port 360 and PS3 games which is going to lead to no Wii versions because Wii will add production costs to multiconsole games.

And appealing to the kids will help Wii crush PS3? Hmmm didn't they try that with GC which was a complete sales disaster? Why yes they did. The average gamer in the console market is an adult male not a young kid. That is why Nintendo have not been a force in the console industry since the SNES while getting beat twice by companies making console debuts which is pathetic. The industry isn't magically going to change over a Wii Remote. Like I have said many times it is the Grand Theft Auto and Halo games that sell not the Donkey Kong Jungle Beats. Meaning the average gamer is not caring about any kind of change to controls. Especially one that is turning out to be flawed with issues with a lot of games. The only change will possibly be when it comes to 360 and PS3 by seeing how many of the people that went with Sony will jump to Microsoft.

Then like I said the argument of quality is old. It is nothing but an excuse that was used to defend GC while third party support kept dropping and sales kept getting even more pathetic. And now it is the same excuse for Wii. Without good third party support you won't sell consoles. DC lacked some major third party support and it failed, GC lacked third party support and it did just as bad as DC but Nintendo had more money in the bank to not go bankrupt and I am sure others have suffered in the past due to third party support. Nintendo fans act like 360 and PS3 will get nothing but bad games if it has more games and Wii will get nothing but good games if it gets less games. It is complete stupidity.

You can defend Nintendo all you want but in a couple of years don't say I didn't tell you Wii would be struggling. And once again I am not predicting that. I guarantee it.

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Oh and I just went and checked out some info on the BIA game for Wii. The amazing second FPS it is getting is not a port of a PS2 game like MOH at least. It is a port of a PSP game!!!! Soooo much better. If this is the future of FPS games like Nintendo fans tried to hype Wii as being then consider the genre dead.

Dakstang · 01-03-2007, 10:00 PM

It takes a serious gamer to buy a PS3.

Any body can play games on the Wii. It appeals to people who are not serious gamers. They can pick it up and play it without having to put fourth much effort.

That is why the Wii will win the war.

Thank you. Thank you.

No applause please.

IdaMAN · 01-03-2007, 10:37 PM

Not to mention the Wii is a lot cheaper. And really, with games being so expensive, nit is not like someone has to have 200 games a year to choose from, Christ how picky do you have to be?

Wii is obviously for certain types of games more so than others. It is half the price of the other 2 and can easily be a second console for the serious gamer and a lone one for people who's target it is intended for.

The Wii is cool and it is what it is.

Jayman · 01-04-2007, 08:42 AM

Thank you, Dak. You hit the nail on the head when you said that the Wii is marketed not to the serious gamer, but the casual gamer. In 2006, $250 US isn't overly priced for a gaming console when you consider what the other current consoles sold at first (PS3 and Wii).

If in a few years the Nintendo Wii is "struggling", that's okay. Consoles are only meant for a few years shelf life, that's why there are console releases every so many years. Microsoft is already working on its next Xbox, knowing that the 360 will be out of date in a few years.

Yes, we're coming off the holidays, but I know many friends who STILL cannot find Wii's anywhere but are still looking. It was a brilliant move by Nintendo to sell the Wii around the Christmas holiday, because they now can extend the initial sale period out a few more months due to stock shortages.

"The average gamer in the console market is an adult male not a young kid." ---Which console are you talking about? Because the average gamer in the Nintendo console market is a kid. It's all about marketing to the untapped age groups, people who have no existing knowledge of other console specifics, and don't even care either. If the Wii was made with the graphics and "3rd party support" like their competitors, do you think the average Wii buyer would even know that? Do you think the average Wii buyer is online constantly reading tech reviews on the console?

The answer is no. So why put in the extra effort for a payoff that doesn't matter?

Spinoff360 · 01-04-2007, 09:21 PM

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Thank you, Dak. You hit the nail on the head when you said that the Wii is marketed not to the serious gamer, but the casual gamer. In 2006, $250 US isn't overly priced for a gaming console when you consider what the other current consoles sold at first (PS3 and Wii).

And was PS2 marketed at the non-serious gamer that it was able to crush the sales of both Xbox and GC last gen? No so obviously not something that will play a major factor in sales. Yes it might pull in some non-gamers but honestly they will do Nintendo no good since software is where you see the most profits.

Also a non-serious gamer is more likely to go with the 360 core than a 360 premium. A 360 core is only $50 more than a Wii while providing technology to justify the price. Wii on the other hand is being outperformed by cheaper five year old hardware and was designed to be $100 and therefore is overpriced. And that $50 doesn't give Wii a big price advantage.

But really we are talking about non-serious gamers like they are the ones that will be jumping into the next gen right away. A non-serious gamer is more likely to buy a last gen console that is cheaper than to jump into the next gen any time soon. Which is why you still see PS2 sell a lot. Then when the non-serious gamer watches a commercial on TV or something and notices the Wii graphics they are not going to think the extra price for next gen is worth it since they won't see what the big deal is about. Especially when they will find some Xbox games that outperform Wii. Even when the leap is large though non-serious gamers are slow to jump to the next batch of consoles.

Really Wii is more likely to pull in the serious gamer buying it as a secondary console such as myself and a lot of others I know. Actually I know very few people who have bought Wii with the intention of it being the primary console other than some of the loyal Nintendo fanbase that see no wrong with Nintendo and see no good with Microsoft and Sony. Also the serious gamers are the ones that look for good games no matter what they are about or what they are rated. Which is how I am. I like games like Viva Pinata that might target a younger audience while I don't enjoy games like Halo and GTA very much which are the kinds of games non-serious gamers flock to. But the games have to be good and I like to have a nice selection of exclusive games from both third and first party developers. Over the last couple of years GC barely had any exclusive third party games with pretty much everything like RE4 and TOS showing up on PS2 as well. Which is why I am not liking Wii. Not because of the age group Nintendo target.

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If in a few years the Nintendo Wii is "struggling", that's okay. Consoles are only meant for a few years shelf life, that's why there are console releases every so many years. Microsoft is already working on its next Xbox, knowing that the 360 will be out of date in a few years.

Consoles average five years. In the case of PS2 it was even six years with Microsoft being the only one to rush out a console since they wanted to get the jump on Sony this gen who they view as their competition.

By a few years I don't mean that long. I mean two years if even that. As in exactly what happened to Gamecube. People seem to forget that GC got off to a great start as well and what happened a couple of years later? Nintendo had to stop production for almost a whole year because it wasn't selling. Some stores even started to refuse to sell GC. PSP is another example of something that got off to a great start and died off. Then Xbox is the perfect example of something that started off poor (Not that PS3 is starting poor since most stores are still selling out of them and it is just limited) with Microsoft even having to drop the price six months after launch and then went on to be a major seller even managing to outsell the once unstoppable looking PS2 in a couple of months late in the consoles life. That is why Microsoft have hit it right on the head when they said sales right now won't matter and next year we will see sales figures that matter.

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Yes, we're coming off the holidays, but I know many friends who STILL cannot find Wii's anywhere but are still looking. It was a brilliant move by Nintendo to sell the Wii around the Christmas holiday, because they now can extend the initial sale period out a few more months due to stock shortages.

There are people who still can't find PS3 as well and 360 was hard to find months after launch. My friend couldn't even get his hands on a 360 until May. The only advantage Nintendo have had with launch is that because of the lacking tech they were able to stock it better.

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"The average gamer in the console market is an adult male not a young kid." ---Which console are you talking about? Because the average gamer in the Nintendo console market is a kid. It's all about marketing to the untapped age groups, people who have no existing knowledge of other console specifics, and don't even care either. If the Wii was made with the graphics and "3rd party support" like their competitors, do you think the average Wii buyer would even know that? Do you think the average Wii buyer is online constantly reading tech reviews on the console?

The answer is no. So why put in the extra effort for a payoff that doesn't matter?

I am talking about the console market as a whole. In order to take over the largest marketshare you can't appeal to a minority of the gaming population. Microsoft target the adult male which is the average age of a console gamer and Sony still target the older male gamer but also do a little more to target the teenage male gamer which is why you saw Microsoft and Sony selling last gen while GC struggled. It is also why Sony was able to come along and crush Nintendo with PS1. As long as Nintendo target the kids yeah that age group will like their consoles but they will NEVER be able to take over the market lead and will never finish any better than third behind Sony and Microsoft. Basically Wii will sell to the market Sony and Microsoft reject and the reason they reject it is because it is a very small percent of the market that isn't worth it to them to put a lot of focus on when they want to sell a lot of consoles which is done by targeting the larger age groups.

And other than blind kids that Ellen gives Wii's to then yes pretty much anybody will notice a difference with Wii, PS3 and 360
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Wii is getting another racing game with TXR which was good news for me at first since I have been a big fan of the series since Dreamcast but like every Wii game I quickly realized it was being released for PS2 as well so my interest instantly dropped. I want games made for Wii not PS2 ports. Which is why the games I do like are games like Elebits. Games made for the Wii and not last gen consoles. Then Elebits is also unique and innovative. Something no other Wii games are. Motion sensing was done way back on NES so simply having the Wii Remote does not make a game on Wii innovative. The problem is the Wii lineup is lacking games like Elebits when that is the kind of games it needs and the kind of games that will make me like Wii. And even if it doesn't have the most unique games it at least needs games made for it. Not last gen or even worse handheld ports that developers are just using to try to squeeze a little more money out of a game with. Or releasing games like Trauma Center and Cooking Mama isn't a bad idea since they are great for DS and do work for Wii. The problem is they should make new games based on those games. Not a remake of the exact same game. That is why as of now I am hard on Wii and the 07 lineup is more of the same.

I still have not been able to figure out how the kid in Elebits has two scientists for parents and is so stupid that he doesn't realize a TV is powered by electricity though
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