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TNA Have come up with a large variety of match concepts. Sure they have taken a lot from other companies, but I believe they have come up with a lot of fairly innovative ones themselves too. I am talking about TNA matches like King of the Mountain, Lethal Lockdown, Lockdown Xscape, Ultimate X, Elevation X, Reverse Battle Royals etc. And then of course there are hundreds of matches which TNA have used as a one off, for example Doomsday Chamber of Blood, Little Italy Street Fight, Last Rites Match, Prison Yard Match.
Do you believe TNA in general have come up with good match types? First of all, do they set TNA apart from the competition, and secondly, do they work well and make sense?
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TNa have great match types, I.E Ultimate X, Lethal Lockdown, KOTM, Sorta Elavation X, Full Metal Meyham, and the street fights they have(they are all the same, just different names tbh. But they also have their terrible ones, I.E every other one.
No they don't set TNA from the compition, at all. More gimmick matches means shit, because 80% of the gimmick matches are awful ideas. Most make sense though, because they are used to end fueds...sometimesish. Then again, NOT EVERY FUED NEEDS TO BE ENDED WITH A GIMMICK MATCH!
I don't like a lot of them. Some are entertaining but flawed. Lethal Lockdown is often considered a great concept, but I don't like it. There is not enough room in the ring for all those wrestlers. Reverse Battle Royals are horrible. King of the Mountain to me just seems like an overly complicated Ladder Match, but it does produce some good matches. I liked last years and the Raven one.
Ultimate X is a bit over the top but it is unique, and people like to see it. The matches are always spotty but often entertaining, which is the same with pretty much every TNA gimmick match.
As for the ones borrowed from other companies, the one that springs to mind is Barbed Wire Massacre. I personally think barbed wire rope matches suck, but I know a lot of people like them so I can't criticise it too harsly. Just personal taste.
All the one-off ones with ridiculous names just cheapen hardcore.
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I'm a fan of most of their stipulations like Ultimate X, King of the Mountain, Lethal Lockdown and even one offs like Little Italy Street Fight, Prison Yard match, etc. All gimmick matches have served a purpose, the only one I remember hating on would be the blindfold match between Harris and Storm, you have two guys who were a tag team since the start up of TNA, and of th emost dominant in the past or so decade, they split up and their first encounter is a measly blindfold match with little interaction.
I think gimmick matches in 2007 (when TNA started using them more often) as a whole are underrated.
But recently TNA has been bringing them to Impact, and has lessened the meaning, stuff like fish market brawl, dressing up as a reindeer and something on a pole don't do the company any justice.
I'm a fan of most of their stipulations like Ultimate X, King of the Mountain, Lethal Lockdown and even one offs like Little Italy Street Fight, Prison Yard match, etc. All gimmick matches have served a purpose, the only one I remember hating on would be the blindfold match between Harris and Storm, you have two guys who were a tag team since the start up of TNA, and of th emost dominant in the past or so decade, they split up and their first encounter is a measly blindfold match with little interaction.
I think gimmick matches in 2007 (when TNA started using them more often) as a whole are underrated.
But recently TNA has been bringing them to Impact, and has lessened the meaning, stuff like fish market brawl, dressing up as a reindeer and something on a pole don't do the company any justice.
I have to ask you to explain how those Abyss/Sting ones served a purpose?
It seemed like an interesting feud which just descended into meaningless hardcore gimmickmania.
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I have to ask you to explain how those Abyss/Sting ones served a purpose?
It seemed like an interesting feud which just descended into meaningless hardcore gimmickmania.
I was referring to their Prison Yard match, their other 'hardcore' bouts aren't considered a match concept because they are ordinary gimmick matches.
The psycology behind the prison yard match is that Sting revealed Abyss' past, which he tried to keep secret, and revealed Abyss was sent to prison for shooting his dad 3 times in the back of the head. So now at Against All Odds Abyss faces his fear, of being in a prison type surrounding, but the odds are stacked towards him because he can use something he's very familiar with, and that's weapons such as barb wire, etc.
Yeah, and how much of that "psycology" actually transferred into the match? It was a terrible match with a piss gimmick that only half-made sense because of the crappy storlyine at the time.
As for the topic itself, Dman sumed it up. Their main problem is overkill yayaya we all know that. I do like some of their match stipulations though. Ultimate X, Elevation X and Lethal Lockdown are all good ideas in my books. Ultimate X is something truly orginal and innovative, and promotes both athletisism and psycology. Elavtion X can be hit and miss, but scaffoldin matches can be very good if they focus on the tension and psycology more than just spots. Lethal Lockdown seems like a good War-Games style match that usually produces some fun match.
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I was referring to their Prison Yard match, their other 'hardcore' bouts aren't considered a match concept because they are ordinary gimmick matches.
The psycology behind the prison yard match is that Sting revealed Abyss' past, which he tried to keep secret, and revealed Abyss was sent to prison for shooting his dad 3 times in the back of the head. So now at Against All Odds Abyss faces his fear, of being in a prison type surrounding, but the odds are stacked towards him because he can use something he's very familiar with, and that's weapons such as barb wire, etc.
I know what the story was. That is why I said that it was an interesting angle but as Steve alluded to, the psychology didn't come across in the match. It just seemed like hardcore for the sake of hardcore.
Also, what about the Last Rites match? That was more horrible than the Prison Yard match. That is the one which caused the fans to chant 'Fire Russo'. All I remember about it was that it was tacky and gimmicky, it was a bad match, and Sting really fucked up a bladejob.
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After the Fire Russo chant during that match there was a Holy Shit chant, I am sure you hear this many times but just liked to point out that although the matchconcept could be horrible, there is always somewhere in the match that make people go wow, even though some things make no sense or seem like a bad idea.
After the Fire Russo chant during that match there was a Holy Shit chant, I am sure you hear this many times but just liked to point out that although the matchconcept could be horrible, there is always somewhere in the match that make people go wow, even though some things make no sense or seem like a bad idea.
Just because a spot makes people go wow, doesn't mean the match is a good idea...
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