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Old 02-13-2008, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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TNA - Lost it's roots, and grew a "funny bone".. *Includes Spoilers*

Now for those who don't really know me, which I'm sure is a lot. I use to be very much so into T.N.A., but that has changed since the years of 2007 and 2008. But why? They're becoming a "bigger" and "better" product and to some they are, but those like I see their flaws which just devalue the talent, and or the entertainment of the show itself.

So let me start off with a few examples of what TNA believes will make them a successful product, and be up there with World Wrestling Entertainment. TNA now is basically a bad 2 hours of Prime time Comedy show, and sure I'll admit that some segments are funny here and there but they are going overkill with many many things. We have Shark Boy, not one of the "bigger" names on the roster, but still has a fanbase and his gimmick was perfectly fine as it was and what do they do? They fucking slap on the 3:16 gimmick on him and try to act original. TNA is far from "original" at the moment, but if we were talking about their start and early success than you can call them that. Another thing that they over do are the lengths of segments. Their catchphrase is "We are Wrestling. Yeah, that's bullshit. There's wrestling on the show, but not so much. IMPACT! mainly consists of segments which are suppose to be humorous such as "Rock N Rave Infection" which is just a poor excuse for a rockstar gimmick and makes me even more wanting Jimmy Rave back in Ring of Honor. Then, we have AJ Styles who now is mainly a joke character but there is one positive about him, and that is that he is showing a personality now compared to his dullness from back in the start of T.N.A.

The second thing that irks me about TNA is the booking, and you can try to debate this if you want but the booking is absolutely terrible. People say that WWE's is bad at the moment, but at the moment..WWE's booking has actually been pretty good. But, how is the booking bad? Well, we have Samoa Joe who in 2004 was the complete bad ass in T.N.A. and let's look at him now...he has a whining gimmick about not being paid enough. Yeah, that's going to elevate him. We had Chris Harris, who basically had the same gimmick but not enough air time and compare that to his A.M.W. days and it's a complete disaster. We have Jay Lethal, sure he's a giant success but it's T.N.A. once again recycling an old gimmick and sticking it on one of their talents. Now, this next little part is going to involve spoilers - They demasked Abyss. What the flying fuck!? He was already dead for quite some time, but demasking him is the complete "in back of the woodshed, head shot and dead" to the whole character. Also, they had Kip James turn on BG and Armstrong and logically, it would be smart to have him turn heel on the Pay Per View but they did the total opposite.

I could go on, but I'll leave it there.
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Old 02-13-2008, 03:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: TNA - Lost it's roots, and grew a "funny bone".. *Includes Spoilers*

As Shark Boy he was a jobber & nothing more. Giving him a new gimmick would have done nothing for him. Giving him a completely different persona like Shark Boy 24:7 has worked for him. If it was on a main eventer i'd worry but its a lower mid-carder who is very popular. Basically its just for a bit of fun with him.

Rock 'n' Rave arent supposed to be funny, they are supposed to be annoying. Which going by what you said, seems to be working also.

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You mean by having a jobber shave his head then he's a monster?

I would have rathered Joe got the title sooner but if you think about it, giving him the title when he was unbeaten would have killed him when he lost it. Now when it comes to him losing the title (Assuming he wins it) he wont lose any momentium unless he is crushed.

You commented on his gimmick, do you expect people to have the same gimmick for their entire career? Very few people can get by with only one gimmick. Even the most well know wrestler of all time got a gimmick change (Hogan).

Commenting on something that you read but havent seen is very low of you. Your basically saying, i dont know how it went down but im still going to say its stupid because i cant think of anything else wrong.
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As Shark Boy he was a jobber & nothing more. Giving him a new gimmick would have done nothing for him. Giving him a completely different persona like Shark Boy 24:7 has worked for him. If it was on a main eventer i'd worry but its a lower mid-carder who is very popular. Basically its just for a bit of fun with him.

Rock 'n' Rave arent supposed to be funny, they are supposed to be annoying. Which going by what you said, seems to be working also.



You mean by having a jobber shave his head then he's a monster?

I would have rathered Joe got the title sooner but if you think about it, giving him the title when he was unbeaten would have killed him when he lost it. Now when it comes to him losing the title (Assuming he wins it) he wont lose any momentium unless he is crushed.

You commented on his gimmick, do you expect people to have the same gimmick for their entire career? Very few people can get by with only one gimmick. Even the most well know wrestler of all time got a gimmick change (Hogan).

Commenting on something that you read but havent seen is very low of you. Your basically saying, i dont know how it went down but im still going to say its stupid because i cant think of anything else wrong.
Giving him a new gimmick would have done nothing for him.

Did I mention anything about giving him a new gimmick? I did not, sir.

Giving him a completely different persona like Shark Boy 24:7 has worked for him.

Obviously, People know who Stone Cold are. Even without the gimmick, he was fine despite the lack of push.

Rock 'n' Rave arent supposed to be funny, they are supposed to be annoying. Which going by what you said, seems to be working also.

TNA surely tries to make them humorous while being annoying at the same time.


You mean by having a jobber shave his head then he's a monster?

This as an example isn't surprising. Obviously, the booking has flaws but using Snitsky as an example to somehow devalue what I said is just poor.

I would have rathered Joe got the title sooner but if you think about it, giving him the title when he was unbeaten would have killed him when he lost it. Now when it comes to him losing the title (Assuming he wins it) he wont lose any momentium unless he is crushed.


Did I mention anywhere of Joe winning the title during the 2004 Period? Once again, I did not. The X Division is where he should have stayed during that time. He had credibility, but wasn't at the level to win the world title. If he were to win it now, sure it might be a good thing to some, but he had to basically whine and bitch about getting one? APPROVED!

You commented on his gimmick, do you expect people to have the same gimmick for their entire career? Very few people can get by with only one gimmick. Even the most well know wrestler of all time got a gimmick change (Hogan).

I do not. But, to transition from Bad ass to complete whiner is a terrible transition. They shoulda just kept him as a bad ass, and tweak him a tad but not to this point.

Commenting on something that you read but havent seen is very low of you. Your basically saying, i dont know how it went down but im still going to say its stupid because i cant think of anything else wrong

I can't be disappointed in the booking? I have to enjoy it even though I haven't seen it? I don't care how it went down. Demasking Abyss just kills him then and there.
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This as an example isn't surprising. Obviously, the booking has flaws but using Snitsky as an example to somehow devalue what I said is just poor.
Ok then stop wearing a shirt & appear on a different show makes you a monster aswell?

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Did I mention anywhere of Joe winning the title during the 2004 Period?
That was just me throwing it in as that is usually what people complain about when talking about Joe.


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I do not. But, to transition from Bad ass to complete whiner is a terrible transition. They shoulda just kept him as a bad ass, and tweak him a tad but not to this point.
Im not the biggest fan of the change but i dont mind it. Especially since he is now with Nash. Nash played a major role in getting Machismo & Machine Guns to where they are now. Without Nash they'd be on Xplosion, or worse, Babybear
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Joe is pretty hit or miss on the mic, with Nash you know what your getting. If Joe has to do less talking then i think it will only imprve him.
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I can't be disappointed in the booking? I have to enjoy it even though I haven't seen it? I don't care how it went down. Demasking Abyss just kills him then and there.
Im not sayin you cant be dissapointed but saying its killing him is a bit much when you havent even seen it. Kane was demasked many times & it didnt kill him.

But really, where is Abyss going to go now? Even if he hadent been demasked he would just be repeating the same old stuff. Maybe this way he gets written out of action for a while. Mesias & Mitchell move on to something new then when Abyss comes back in a few months he will be fresh again & can go into the main event or whatever. Its an easy way to reinvent him aswell as finnally finish the Mitchell storyline.
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Ok then stop wearing a shirt & appear on a different show makes you a monster aswell?


That was just me throwing it in as that is usually what people complain about when talking about Joe.



Im not the biggest fan of the change but i dont mind it. Especially since he is now with Nash. Nash played a major role in getting Machismo & Machine Guns to where they are now. Without Nash they'd be on Xplosion, or worse, Babybear
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Joe is pretty hit or miss on the mic, with Nash you know what your getting. If Joe has to do less talking then i think it will only imprve him.


Im not sayin you cant be dissapointed but saying its killing him is a bit much when you havent even seen it. Kane was demasked many times & it didnt kill him.

But really, where is Abyss going to go now? Even if he hadent been demasked he would just be repeating the same old stuff. Maybe this way he gets written out of action for a while. Mesias & Mitchell move on to something new then when Abyss comes back in a few months he will be fresh again & can go into the main event or whatever. Its an easy way to reinvent him aswell as finnally finish the Mitchell storyline.
Ok then stop wearing a shirt & appear on a different show makes you a monster aswell?

Uh, I'm sure most of the roster wears shirts and has appeared on different brands. Who exactly are you talking about?


That was just me throwing it in as that is usually what people complain about when talking about Joe.

That would've been nice to known when rebutting.


Im not the biggest fan of the change but i dont mind it. Especially since he is now with Nash. Nash played a major role in getting Machismo & Machine Guns to where they are now. Without Nash they'd be on Xplosion, or worse, Babybear
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Joe doesn't need Nash. Joe just needs to do what he does best, and kick ass. Sure, Nash has helped Lethal, I refuse to call him Machismo and the Murder City Machine Guns were already pretty over without Nash. Murder!? Oops I mean Motor. Oh yes, because without Nash they wouldn't be a success!

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Joe is pretty hit or miss on the mic, with Nash you know what your getting. If Joe has to do less talking then i think it will only imprve him.

Joe is excellent on the mic, and he doesn't need Nash to do his talking. Look at Joe's promo on Jarret where he was busted open, or his shoot promo which was one of the best and most truthful things I've seen. So less talking will improve him? That makes no sense. To be big, basically you need to work a mic and Joe can. Joe doesn't need to be dependent on Nash.

Im not sayin you cant be dissapointed but saying its killing him is a bit much when you havent even seen it. Kane was demasked many times & it didnt kill him.

Where has demasking Kane taken him? He's had some big matches here and there, but still not a giant push. De-masking him, showing his face burned was smart, but then the next week not having the burns just killed the whole gimmick.

But really, where is Abyss going to go now? Even if he hadent been demasked he would just be repeating the same old stuff. Maybe this way he gets written out of action for a while. Mesias & Mitchell move on to something new then when Abyss comes back in a few months he will be fresh again & can go into the main event or whatever. Its an easy way to reinvent him aswell as finnally finish the Mitchell storyline.


Take your time typing. Thanks. They've been doing this storyline for a year, and at first it was really interesting but now it's just a complete drag. Do you think TNA will actually find someone new for Judas? Sure, maybe Reign but Reign is nothing special. He could be fresh, but once he returns it's obvious he'll go after Judas again.
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Uh, I'm sure most of the roster wears shirts and has appeared on different brands. Who exactly are you talking about?
Big Daddy V. He stopped wearing a shirt then all of a sudden hes a monster? This is the same guy who wore payamja's to wrestle.

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Joe doesn't need Nash. Joe just needs to do what he does best, and kick ass. Sure, Nash has helped Lethal, I refuse to call him Machismo and the Murder City Machine Guns were already pretty over without Nash. Murder!? Oops I mean Motor. Oh yes, because without Nash they wouldn't be a success!
I know Murder should sound better, but it just sound weird now to me anyway.
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Joe is excellent on the mic, and he doesn't need Nash to do his talking. Look at Joe's promo on Jarret where he was busted open, or his shoot promo which was one of the best and most truthful things I've seen. So less talking will improve him? That makes no sense. To be big, basically you need to work a mic and Joe can. Joe doesn't need to be dependent on Nash.
As i said Joe is hit or miss, you proved it by naming the only two awesome promos i can think of from Joe. The rest to me seem either good or else meh.

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Where has demasking Kane taken him? He's had some big matches here and there, but still not a giant push.
Where is Abyss now? Stuck in the same feud for way too long. I dont agree with it, but it could be whats needed to freshen him up.

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Do you think TNA will actually find someone new for Judas?
Mesias is a very capable performer, his match against Cage showed that. If TNA do it right with Steiner & the X-Division they could make that a midcard title, aswell as a CW type title, that Mesias would be able to go for.

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He could be fresh, but once he returns it's obvious he'll go after Judas again.
I sure hope not. If he is taking time off (Which we dont even know), itd be pointless for him to o back after Mesias, just let it be for a few years.
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Big Daddy V. He stopped wearing a shirt then all of a sudden hes a monster? This is the same guy who wore payamja's to wrestle.


I know Murder should sound better, but it just sound weird now to me anyway.
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As i said Joe is hit or miss, you proved it by naming the only two awesome promos i can think of from Joe. The rest to me seem either good or else meh.


Where is Abyss now? Stuck in the same feud for way too long. I dont agree with it, but it could be whats needed to freshen him up.


Mesias is a very capable performer, his match against Cage showed that. If TNA do it right with Steiner & the X-Division they could make that a midcard title, aswell as a CW type title, that Mesias would be able to go for.


I sure hope not. If he is taking time off (Which we dont even know), itd be pointless for him to o back after Mesias, just let it be for a few years.

Big Daddy V. He stopped wearing a shirt then all of a sudden hes a monster? This is the same guy who wore payamja's to wrestle.

Yes, because the lack of Ring Attire determines the whole character. Big Daddy always been known as a "threat" in the ring due to his size, and they just made him more hardcore. I don't enjoy the guy, they just revamped him to look more credible.

I know Murder should sound better, but it just sound weird now to me anyway.

In the Independent Scene and Japan they are called Murder City, not Motor. Wow it sounds weird to you? I soooooo care.

As i said Joe is hit or miss, you proved it by naming the only two awesome promos i can think of from Joe. The rest to me seem either good or else meh.

Most of his promos are good, do you expect me to memorize each promo? You're the TNA Mark here.

Where is Abyss now? Stuck in the same feud for way too long. I dont agree with it, but it could be whats needed to freshen him up.

Well No Shit....

Mesias is a very capable performer, his match against Cage showed that. If TNA do it right with Steiner & the X-Division they could make that a midcard title, aswell as a CW type title, that Mesias would be able to go for.

They really don't need a midcard title, to an extent they do....but they can't even book their own Tag division or World Heavyweight championship correctly.

I sure hope not. If he is taking time off (Which we dont even know), itd be pointless for him to o back after Mesias, just let it be for a few years.

You're the one who made the hypothesis and prediction about him leaving. But if he were, it's obvious that he would go back after Mesias. TNA isn't that intelligent to let it go for a few years.
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