TNA Impact sucks

Tyler Durden

Never said it has, as usual when you're stuck for things to say you resort to personalising any debate. Poor show as usual, stick to the debate in question as a good "mod" should!

God

Super Moderator

You mean in the same way you present your crap as fact & discount other peoples much more valid reasoning?

Tyler Durden

Way off topic.

Be a good "mod" and stick to the point.......

Griff0rd

TNA Moderator

How about this... Everyone stops and gets back to the point and doesn't try to get in a meaningless last word. For someone who has always complained about childish behavior there is plenty being dished here... So please no more posting attacks on other peoples opinion. Debating is fine, but childish taunts not so much.

BACK TO THE POINT... THe fact that ratings are increasing and are the highest ever doesn't run parallel with the thought of TNA bottoming out. You can't increase ratings with the same hardcore fans watching the same bit week in and week out. It increase as the fanbase grows.

WWE can have a good rating following a PPV, but once the fans that want to see something fresh come off of something big happening they die back down because it's the same stuff that caused them to leave in the first place... I'm a perfect example of this fanbase. I still give it a chance from time to time and am let down continually after words. And the same logic of hardcores can apply to WWE as it does to TNA, but because of it's history they simply have more of them. TNA however hasn't had the huge #'s that WWE has in the past and slipped into a near comatose state like it is now in comparison, so I'd say the hardcore rule might apply more to WWE than TNA anyway.

If you want to talk to the advert that uses it's shows to boost PPV sales, look at WWE. TNA did well when they had no TV to back PPV sales. You can't truely believe that WWE shows aren't used to pump up their PPV's... That's how the business works. The money is in PPV's no matter who you are, but shows carry us from big event to big event. So if you are saying that Impact basically is nothing more than a build to PPV's, then I guess you could say they have modeled themselves after the one who really started the wrestling PPV market. WWE.

Crocker

Ok heres a look at the Impact ratings recently

Feb 14th 1.1
Fab 7th 1.11
Jan 31st 1.0
Jan 24th 0.8

And after picking out a random issue of Powerslam magazine here are some ratings from last year

July 12th 1.01
July 19th 1.17
July 26th 1.13
Aug 2ns 1.07

Now I fail to see any increase in ratings there, basically like Tyler said it the same fans tuning in now as it was then. I compare these set of fans to the fans of the original fans of ECW, these guys will tune in weather its a good show or a bad show, they are die hard TNA fans.

Griff0rd

TNA Moderator

There may not have been as much growing recently looking at this, but it still doesn't change that they have grown over the last year looking at the charts. Raw on the other hand a few years ago did double what they are doing now.

Looking at the fact that TNA is getting more exposure, It will only increase, which will hopefully in turn get WWE out of the comatose state it has been in.

At the end of the day does TNA have full use in play of what they can... no. But in comparison to it's competition, it's doing well. WWE has much more money and expirience available, but just aren't doing a thing with it. Does impact suck? It's a matter of opinion, and in the opinion of many people it doesn't. There just are NO facts that support it.

Tyler Durden

Well, Griff, I myself have engaged in no "childish taunts" on this thread, in fact I think you'll find I was actively trying to be the better man and ignoring the personal attack in order to get my thread back on track.

So either (a) show me the personal attacks I have made on other peoples opinions on this thread or (b) be a little more honest and specific that you are in fact referring to your "fellow mod" who took this thread off track by making a personal attack on me that had nothing to do with the thread in hand, and make your "criticism" less general.

One would have thought that the role of any mod here is to actively encourage discussion and debate, not to kill it or turn it personal if they are seen to be struggling with using intellect above name calling. I repeat...poor show.

No matter how much "spin" any of you want to put on each post, I'll just stick to the facts. TNA's rating may improve, but it's of very little consequence, both in terms of numbers (which are miniscule improvements....not worth mentioning) nor in terms of making the company succesful since they make the company no extra money.

TNA Impact as a show fails badly in making the company money because it fails to convert those viewers to anything more than 1% buying the PPV, and this will continue all the while this show remains so poorly devised. Until it changes, then it will continue with 1.2/1.1 ratings and 1% conversion.

Until they address these problems, they, and their fans, can continue sticking their heads in the sand and not pretending that this is just a company kept afloat by a money mark who will never get any return whilst it continues like that. Let's pray for your sakes that she never grows bored!

God

Super Moderator

Firstly, wherever you got those ratings from (The recent ones) I would delete the link.

The actual ratings are:

Janurary 24th, 2008	1.2
Janurary 31st, 2008	1.2
Feburary 7th, 2008	1.1
Feburary 14th, 2008	1.1

I'll do a random date comparrision.

iMPACT! first aired in October. The first edition got 0.8, with an average for the year of around 0.8. The same week next year got 0.9 with an average of 0.9/1.0. The same week last October got 1.1 with an average for the year at 1.1.

Now lets see, 0.8 to 0.9 to 1.1. Yeah your right, its staying the exact same.

Lets take another week at random, from only a few weeks ago, the third week in January. 2006 was 0.9, 2007 was 1.1, 2008 was 1.2.

Thats 0.9 to 1.1 to 1.2, Again your right its staying the exact same. Not changing at all.

The polar opposite now, thrid last week of the year. 2005 got 0.7, 2006 got 1.2, 2007 also got 1.2.

Now a random date from the middle of the year. First week of May. 2006 got 0.9, 2007 got 1.0.

Again its the exact same number!!

Thats four dates i took at random. Each time the ratings have imrpved from the previous year. The dates you posted must have been one of the only time they stayed the same. And no, im not going thru the entire year week by week to compare. I took random dates & compared year by year, not made up ratings (0.8? When it got 1.2!) & comparing them to last summer.

The Half Boy

I think the point TD is trying to make, which I haven't seen you address, is that while a change in ratings is a good thing for the company as a whole, it doesn't actually make them any money. Aside from the moment when they're re-negotiating a contract with the network, ratings don't actually mean anything. It's the ticket sales, merchandise, and PPV sales that make bank.

If TNA are focusing more on ratings than on PPV buys, then they're going down the same road WCW went. Bischoff got so obsessed with the ratings war, that he was giving away PPV matches on free tv, just to try to bump that weeks ratings. TD's right. If Impact isn't encouraging people to part with their money, then it does the company no good.

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God

Super Moderator

Tyler likes to bring up the amount of PPV buys compared to the small audiance TNA has but never WWE's. 25,000 would be about average for TNA PPV's for less than 2 million people. Compare this to WWE Raw. Raw gets on average five million viewers each week. One of WWE's big four PPV's drew only 4% of that. Survivor Series 2007 drew 200,000 buys approx. I guess that makes Raw a failure aswell?

I cant find a more recent PPV & TNA dont release their numbers so we have to guess.