Originally Posted by RobB93
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The point of the MEM is like the point of all wrestling stables: To help build up younger wrestlers into future stars of wrestling. Whether the younger wrestlers are part of the stable or feuding with it.

In MEM's case, their main job was to help build up Samoa Joe and AJ Styles and make them look like credible wrestlers and bigger main eventers than they already were back when TNA wasn't as big as it is now. MEM has done that for them.

Are you fucking joking? Honestly, that is one of the most contradicting things I've read on this board. TNA was cracking relatively the same ratings in 06 when Joe was a top guy as they are now. Meaning, although they've grown slightly, it's not like they have to reintroduce Joe to a WHOLE NEW FANBASE, because the fanbase is 90 percent the same. Joe was over already, he was a former champion and a Main Event level guy. Second off, AJ Styles was voted TNA MVP something like 2 or 3 times by who? The very same people who watch TNA right now. He Main Evented plenty of PPVs between 06-08 before this MEM storyline incepted and was a TNA Main Eventer. If you think this storyline did anything to help "THOSE TWO YOUNG UPSTARTS WHO HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YET" Joe and Styles, you're sadly mistaken. The Main Event Mafia storyline has yet to put over any new talent what so ever. Arguably Joe and Styles are worse off now than they were before the storyline.

Right now, they're now only working angles and storylines until they officially break up. It looks like they're going to break them up by Joe taking them out one by one, which only makes him look more credible if he does that.

Again, Joe was already insanely over at one point. This storyline was a complete an utter failure as TNA is back to where they were before it began. It is imperative to TNA's success that they begin putting over younger talent, something they aren't doing and that they did not do with the Main Event Mafia storyline. Joe and Styles are ALREADY over. What if the WWE made a storyline where HHH, HBK, Taker, Jericho, and Edge made a stable claiming that they don't get respect from young wrestlers. It was common knowledge that the storylines point was to get younger guys over....who does WWE choose to oppose them....Orton and Cena? Orton and Cena within the WWE are at the position that Styles and Joe are in TNA where they are home grown talent that are already at a Main Event level. It wouldn't make sense to push them in that position under the guise of "getting new guys over".

Originally Posted by RobB93
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Of course Joe and AJ were top guys in TNA, but TNA wanted to make them more credible then they already were. And what better way then to have them take on a group of former world champions from all over? And TNA is getting more fans every week. TNA didn't have nearly the fans as they did back then as they do now. And Joe and AJ may have top players in TNA for number of years, but that doesn't make them mega-stars in the wrestling industry today like how some of the top talent is in the WWE right now. Joe and AJ are no where near levels name credibility when it comes to Orton or Cena. With TNA gaining more fans everyday, they thought it was best for them to build their already top two guys to more credible wrestlers by going against the MEM. And they have done their job of that.


First off, if TNA didn't have anywhere near as many fans back then how did they pop 1.1 in the ratings? TNA back then still pretty much popped the same top ratings as now (until very recently when they got 1.3 I think although that still isn't a very nominal difference.)

Of course Joe and Styles aren't at Orton and Cena's level of popularity, you didn't comprehend my point that in relation to their fanbase Joe and Styles are two young talent that were already at a Main Event level in TNA. Joe Main Eventing PPVs drew bigger than their usual PPVs, and Styles was voted MVP by the fans a few years in a row. They were credible younger stars. They didn't need the Main Event Mafia storyline. If anything, the MEM storyline made them look like they weren't credible because they had segments like the one where Steiner called them all jobbers without Frontline who Joe and Styles lead ever regaining their heat.

The only problem with the MEM in past was because of injuries (both AJ and Joe). So the had to hold off. But why not have other TNA originals go against MEM? Well, besides the fact of some releases (like Petey Williams) no other Frontline member seemed credible enough to stand a chance agaisnt the group of former world champions. So the huge purpose of the MEM was to make two of their top TNA original stars seem more credible to the wrestling industry. And I guess they seemed to do it with Daniels aswell since he came back.

Daniels going against the MEM contradicts the whole point of the storyline. Daniels is almost 40 years old. The point of the storyline is suppose to be to take younger guys who aren't credible and MAKE THEM credible through having them work with the MEM. That's how you create new stars. Old stars put over guys who have the tools to be new stars. If you do it right, you get a new star.

And may I remind you that last time Joe was world champion, he earned that by being the "whiney, complaining" wrestler, which really took away alot of character from Joe, seeing how he's supposed to be the violent force who gets what he wants by force. He may have one the TNA world title, but earned the shot by doing the same Chris Harris was doing before he was released. Hopefully, with his more violent persona, he could be a more credible challenger by earning it through the way Joe knows how.

They could have achieved a more violent persona without the MEM Mafia storyline. What you're saying now has nothing at all to do with any of my points. Joe was a bonified star in TNA before the MEM storyline. Neither him or Styles needed this storyline and in the long run it hurt them more than it helped. Frontline was an absolute joke and it was completely evident from about a month and a half into the storyline that TNA had no idea where they were going. This point was reinforced when MEM's opposers consisted of old washed up stars as well. Foley, Jarret, Daniels (not washed up, but still old), The Dudleys, Rhino, etc.

I know I come off as fairly negative in most of my posts in the TNA section but that is because TNA's product is remisicent of something written by a lobotomized teenager with a dirt fetish. I very much want to see TNA succeed but I just don't see it happening with their current product. The MEM storyline was good conceptually, but the execution was absolutely horrible and did absolutely nothing to create new stars.

In the end you and I can argue whether or not holding a promotions top belt, Main Eventing their top PPVs, and being voted as their top guy by everybody who watches makes you a credible top star. Or if after that you need to be made to look like a joke for a few months by guys who were irrelevant 8 years ago (Sans Sting and Angle) in order to become one. The final point is that the MEM Angle has yet to do anything in order to help ensure TNA has new future stars.

Originally Posted by RobB93
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The only problem with the MEM in past was because of injuries (both AJ and Joe). So the had to hold off. But why not have other TNA originals go against MEM? Well, besides the fact of some releases (like Petey Williams) no other Frontline member seemed credible enough to stand a chance agaisnt the group of former world champions. So the huge purpose of the MEM was to make two of their top TNA original stars seem more credible to the wrestling industry. And I guess they seemed to do it with Daniels aswell since he came back.