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A refusal to bleed should not be that big a deal. I don't remember a time that Cena has bled ever, and he's a multi-time World Champion with the biggest company in the world.
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A refusal to bleed should not be that big a deal. I don't remember a time that Cena has bled ever, and he's a multi-time World Champion with the biggest company in the world.
Judgment Day 2005 vs JBL (How could you not remember that bloodbath?)
Royal Rumble 2007 vs Umaga (Ditto)
Wrestlemania 23 vs HBK.
Just a few that spring to mind. I am sure there are a lot more.
I agree refusal to bleed shouldn't be a big deal though. Blood can be extremely beneficial in wrestling but putting pressure on a wrestler to cut their head open for entertainment is pretty fucked up. It should be the wrestler's call.
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Found it interesting that I just read the last couple of blog posts on Lance Storm's website and one of them was about the MEM storyline. I know a lot of TNA fans probably dislike Storm for being critical of TNA, but he seems to have many of the issues with the storyline that many fans do.
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Judgment Day 2005 vs JBL (How could you not remember that bloodbath?)
Royal Rumble 2007 vs Umaga (Ditto)
Wrestlemania 23 vs HBK.
Just a few that spring to mind. I am sure there are a lot more.
I agree refusal to bleed shouldn't be a big deal though. Blood can be extremely beneficial in wrestling but putting pressure on a wrestler to cut their head open for entertainment is pretty fucked up. It should be the wrestler's call.
He bleed in the Umaga match? And the HBK match?
I never saw the match against JBL cos that was back when I disliked both in ring. I was a big fan of their mic work, and I enjoyed Cena against guys who could carry him, but against JBL... It was just painful to watch basically.
Wow, I'm totally off-topic with nothing to add... Ah, well. It's only TNA.
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I never saw the match against JBL cos that was back when I disliked both in ring. I was a big fan of their mic work, and I enjoyed Cena against guys who could carry him, but against JBL... It was just painful to watch basically.
Wow, I'm totally off-topic with nothing to add... Ah, well. It's only TNA.
He was bleeding all over the place in both the JBL and Umaga matches. In the HBK match he cut the top of his head after the piledriver on the steps.
Check out that for a crimson mask.
Both bad quality vids but you don't need HQ to see all that blood lol.
Aaaaanyway....
Blading shouldn't be a big deal, I agree.
Now onto the topic at hand, I really don't think I can say too much more, but the 10 man on IMPACT this week just hits home how far they have deviated from the original angle and what it should all be about. The feuds between Angle/Sting on one side, Foley/Jarrett on the other and Foley/Sting in between really arn't helping anybody. I fail to see the point of it all at this stage.
They started the angle with the Mafia dominating TNA so that the young guys could rise up and challenge them, yet since then we have constantly seen nothing but the old guys in the main event, and the focus isn't on the young guys at all. This angle is doing more to hurt them than it is to help them. Don't understand their logic.
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Now onto the topic at hand, I really don't think I can say too much more, but the 10 man on IMPACT this week just hits home how far they have deviated from the original angle and what it should all be about. The feuds between Angle/Sting on one side, Foley/Jarrett on the other and Foley/Sting in between really arn't helping anybody. I fail to see the point of it all at this stage.
They started the angle with the Mafia dominating TNA so that the young guys could rise up and challenge them, yet since then we have constantly seen nothing but the old guys in the main event, and the focus isn't on the young guys at all. This angle is doing more to hurt them than it is to help them. Don't understand their logic.
Exactly. I just don't see where they are going with it. I - like many - assumed the point of the major storyline was to get some young guys over, but that is clearly not the focus at this point. Its like the NWO - trying to keep the same guys in the main event that have been there for awhile now.
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It's become a chore to watch Impact these days and it frustrates me. You've got the Motor City Machine Guns and LAX (granted Hernandez is ijured) being eliminated from the Tag Title competion, when they are the future of the tag division and teams like EY and Holliday and Suicide and Red getting through, who have never teamed before. The thing is, it's obvious that Beer Money are gonna win the tournament so why bother with it, just have a rematch clause and don't ruin MCMG's by having them lose to a team that had never met each other before.
Last Impact saw Nash and Booker beat AJ and Joe. Why? How does that move the story along at all. The mis-trust is already there between Joe and AJ, having Joe seem lacklustre about the oppurtunity to destroy the MEM goes against his whole gimmick. Sure he's out for himself, but he had a match against two guys that he has repeatedly said he wanted to torture... But he couldn't be bothered turning up on time? That;s no Nation Of Violence, that's a Nation Of Pathetic!
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MEM VS Frontline got me tuning into Impact after a long hiatus. This was when the storyline first began. Time took a major toll on the storyline as it lacks direction.
There are so many flaws in the execution of the storyline. If I am to believe that Main Event Mafia is an old boys club of wrestling veterans who although they are past their prime and not as skilled as the younger guys but they make up for it by knowing how to play the game, then why doesn't Frontline consist of young guys?
Why has Frontline evolved to the point where half of the members (Jarret, Daniels) are older veterans?
Also, this storyline is impossible for a casual fan to follow. It seems the members of Frontline change every month. At one point during the inception of the storyline they needed 8 or so members to battle Main Event Mafia's five. This not only hurt the viewers ability to know who the definitive wrestlers were representing Frontline, it also made Frontline look weak as they had to handicap Main Event Mafia.
Foley defeating Sting absolutely ruins the storyline as it proves that the MEM are right when they say that the younger guys aren't ready. It does this be showing that an old out of shape veteran who has wrestled less than a dozen times over the last ten years can do what Frontline could not do (take the belt off sting). This makes Frontline look like trash. As a viewer, why should I care about getting behind Frontlines cause if it has been proven wrong multiple times?
This storyline hasn't created any new Main Eventers. It should be ended as soon as possible.
Foley beat Sting after changing the rules to suit himself and then useing weapons and escaping the cage rather than actually pinning him. I dont see how that makes Styles or Joe or whoever look weak when they never had that option of winning, they had to pin or make Sting submit, Foley didnt do either.
The Mafia werent the old guys who couldnt go anymore, they were the old guys who wouldnt give up their spot to someone younger. To have the young guys beat them in a couple of weeks would have made no sense. Currently the Mafia are holding on with everything they have while the Frontline refuse to accept defeat and keep coming back for more.
Jarrett is with the Frontline because he belives in them and sees them as the future of the bussiness. The opposite of Angle and co.
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Foley beat Sting after changing the rules to suit himself and then useing weapons and escaping the cage rather than actually pinning him. I dont see how that makes Styles or Joe or whoever look weak when they never had that option of winning, they had to pin or make Sting submit, Foley didnt do either.
Never the less, it was a very good chance to put over somebody like AJ Styles as THE GUY by having him go over Sting cleanly after Sting had a strong run with the belt. They don't have that chance anymore, because even if Styles were to go over Foley, or go after Sting after Sting wins the belt back it wouldn't have the same impact. Foley doesn't gain anything at all by ending Stings reign. He is already established with casual fans as a wrestling legend.
The Mafia werent the old guys who couldnt go anymore, they were the old guys who wouldnt give up their spot to someone younger. To have the young guys beat them in a couple of weeks would have made no sense. Currently the Mafia are holding on with everything they have while the Frontline refuse to accept defeat and keep coming back for more.
That's contradicting. If the Main Event Mafia aren't old guys who aren't in their prime but make up for it by knowing how to play the game, and are instead suppose to be considered to still be the BEST WRESTLERS in the promotion by that logic they would still deserve the top spots. Why would the want to/have to relinquish the top spots if in your words "They can still go". You describe the storyline in a way that completely contradicts the point for myself and the other fans to get behind the faces.
Jarrett is with the Frontline because he belives in them and sees them as the future of the bussiness. The opposite of Angle and co.
Again that's contradicting. Frontline is suppose to be about getting the younger guys in the Main Event slot. Jarret taking up a spot in Frontline as a wrestler robs another young talent of being in Frontline and showing their stuff against Main Event Mafia. Jarret being in Frontline contradicts Frontlines mission as Jarret is an old washed up veteran who is rediuclous enough to think that he is on level with guys like Hulk Hogan. That sounds a lot to me like a guy who belongs in the Mafia, not taking a Main Event spot from a younger guy by wrestling in Frontline.
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