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    WWE Unforgiven 2000 Review

    *Note* The part I hate most about reviewing these PPVs is giving a complete detail summery. It's fairly boring and it takes time away from me getting to the real point of this, the review. Now personally, I don't read reviews to get a summery of the match, I read them to get a nice review over the match and feud. So starting now, I will probably give less detail about what happens in the match, while adding more comments about my overall reaction to the match.


    WWE Unforgiven
    September 24, 2000


    The APA and The Dudleys vs Right to Censor - Eight Man Tag
    This would be the PPV debut of the full RTC faction (Minus Ivory). A couple weeks before the ppv, Val Venis joined the faction. Since the faction was started in June, Richards and the RTC had targeted the APA (For their drinking) and the Dudley Boyz (For putting women through tables) from the get go. With the exception of Val Venis, every member of the RTC was really helped by joining the conservative faction. Personally, I feel as if Venis should have been kept out of the group. He had dropped the whole porn gimmick months before and was a fairly good heel. Most of the match, The RTC is in control with Richards never tagging in. Bull Buchanan jumps to the top rope and hits a nice back elbow. The guy may of made Dean Malenko look like Eddie Guerrero in terms of charisma, but the guy was fairly talented. The match breaks down with all men fighting. Bubba is alone in the ring with the Goodfather, but Richards sneaks in and hits a Stevie Kick (Or would that be a Steven Kick?) to allow The Goodfather to pin Bubba Ray. The RTC tries to keep attacking Bubba, but the APA and D-von comes and and we get all 8 men brawling even longer. Bubba tries to powerbomb Richards through a table, but the RTC stops it. Eventually, the faces forces all of the RTC (Except their heroic leader) out of the ring. Bubba heads to the ropes and hits a middle rope powerbomb through the table to Richards. Interesting to note, the post match brawl lasted just about as long as the match itself. The Dudley Boyz and the RTC would fight for the rest of the year meeting each other in various matches every month through Armageddon. So while I liked that the RTC stole a win to really get the feud going, I would of preferred that the Dudleys weren't able to put Richards through a table. The feud could have been about the Dudley Boyz getting revenge, shutting the RTC up and always trying (Yet failing until the final end) to put Richards through a table. Idk, just adds a bit to a feud. Overall, it's a fun opener for this Philly crowd. I'm not a huge fan of 8 man tags since they tend really suffer in terms of showcasing everyone. The matchup I was looking forward to the most (Farooq vs The Goodfather in Nation flashback) never happened. But meh, it's an easy way to showcase many wrestlers. 8 Minutes. 2 Stars.

    Backstage, an injured Triple H questions whether Stephanie finally supports him in his feud with Kurt Angle. She says that she's totally behind him. As much as I hate Triple H, I loved his tweener character in the summer of 2000. It was the most interesting character he ever played in my opinion.

    Tazz vs Jerry Lawler - Leather Strap Match
    It should be noted that to win you can touch all 4 corners, pin or make your opponent submit. I really don't get the point of having it be pin/submit in a match like this. It makes the whole straps pointless. Badd Blood (1997) had a similar problem with their tag team flag match. Anyways, this is probably my vote for worst feud of 2000 for the WWE. Tazz had a good feud with Kurt Angle in the early months of 2000 and a fun feud with Rikishi just a couple of months prior. Now they have him feuding against a has been commentator and his Boomer Sooner~! buddy. Tazz takes control early on and heads out to the outside to yell at Ross some. Ross is being totally bias in this match, aren't commentators supposed to be right down the line? With Tazz distracted, Lawler gains the advantage. Back inside, the two strangle each other. Lawler hits a piledriver, but Tazz no sells it~!!! Lawler hits another piledriver, but Tazz NO SELLS it AGAIN!!!!! Lawler hits yet another piledriver, but Tazz no sells it once again, but Flair bumps. What the fuck was that? That was such a bizarre segment of the match. Lawler touches three of the turnbuckles, but Tazz wakes up and stops him before touching the third. Lawler used the strap to pull Tazz on his back while choking him out. The ref is kicked by Tazz. Lawler loses the balance of Tazz and Tazz falls off. While Lawler is trying to get him back on his back, RAVEN comes out and DDT's Lawler. Jim Ross is going insane talking about how Raven wasn't even on the roster. The ref turns around and Tazz pins Lawler for the win. After the match, JR keeps going on about that damn Raven. Okay, let's back up to the piledriver sequence. For anyone who doesn't know much about The King, the piledriver was his main move back in the day. It was a dreaded move that could knock anyone out cold. The Tazz/Lawler feud was Jerry's first feud in the WWE where he's actually a face. So Tazz (A heel) no sells 3 (~!!!!) piledrivers. You're making a lowcard heel out to be superman which makes ZERO sense. Hell, even 80's Hulk Hogan wouldn't no sell 3 piledrivers from Lawler. It was as midway through the match, they decided to do a double turn. If I could compare it to anything, let's say at Unforgiven, Shawn Michaels faces Lance Cade. Michaels hits a superkick on Cade, but Cade no sells it. Michaels hits 2 more, but Cade keeps no selling it. That just goes against all logic does it not? With this PPV being in Philly, it was a fitting time for Raven to debut. I like the whole element of Raven coming out and DDT'ing the ECW hater, Lawler to help out another former ECW champion to beat Lawler. However, it would of worked out much better had Lawler been the heel going into this match. Average match at best, zero logic and a nice surprise return. 5 Minutes. 1 Star.

    Backstage, Steve Austin returns (First time on PPV since Backlash) to find out who ran him over. Kevin Kelly tries to get a word with him, but Austin attacks him and throws him up against a roll up door. If only more people would of abused Kelly like that. I'm not sure which I like better. Austin physically abusing Kevin Kelly or The Rock verbally abusing him. Either way, Kelly looks like the useless tool he is.

    Steve Blackman vs Saturn w/ Terri vs Test w/ Trish vs Al Snow vs Funaki vs Crash Holly - Hardcore Title Invitational
    This is a match for all former hardcore champions to try and defeat Steve Blackman for the Hardcore Title. Each pinfall over the champion makes you the new champion. At the end of 10 minutes, the man who is hardcore champion wins the match. It should be noted that Al Snow is the European champion at the time. During his European champion days, Al Snow would represent a different country in Europe. For this match, he's Italian Snow. Snow does his best Nunzio imitation. Early on in the match, Test accidentally hits Terri with Head. So to return the favour, Saturn hits Trish with head. Al Snow then hits both with head. The commentators have fun with all "___ gave __ head" lines. This has been going on for 2 full years. You would think they'd stop with the head jokes. If there's anyone who should of been placed in RTC, it was Al Snow. Like the Godfather, his gimmick had really gotten stale. This match is terrible, it's just random hits with objects. Crash Holly pins Blackman at midpoint, only for Saturn to pin him in less than 30 seconds. Saturn holds onto it until the final minute where Blackman pins him. Everyone tries to pin Blackman, but no one can before time runs up. This was a complete waste of a match. These 10 Minute Hardcore Invitationals are perhaps the worst match I've ever heard of. There's zero substance to the match. Personally, I would of preferred a 10 minute European title match between Al Snow and Perry Saturn. 10 Minutes. 1/2 Star.

    Backstage, Kurt Angle meets Steve Austin. To show his respect, Angle gave Austin a gold medal. The medal was of course smaller since Austin really didn't do anything to earn it as Angle says. Austin attacks Angle. This was a sneak peak into some of the great comedic segments they'd have in 2001. Interestingly enough, Kurt Angle's wrestling debut occurred at Survivor Series 1999. That was also the night that Austin would be ran over by a car. So Austin left while Angle came in. Meanwhile, next year's edition of Unforgiven would see Kurt Angle defeat Steve Austin for the WWE Title. It also just so happens, the 2001 ppv would occur in the same state of Pennsylvania as 2000's Unforgiven.

    Chris Jericho vs X-Pac
    So after being a jobber and Hunter's bitch lackey for most of 2000, X-Pac finally snapped. He attacked The Road Dogg and even pushed Triple H to the ground. Leading into this ppv, he had attacked Jericho several times with a pair of nunchucks. This would be the first feud (Since turning heel) and last feud of X-Pac's WWE career that he wasn't completely useless and was booked semi well. X-Pac is still wearing his DX tights for some unknown reason. I can't help but feel bad for Chris Jericho. He's stuck in a feud with a guy who people literally hate while he never got a world title shot on ppv in 2000. Chris Benoit had a couple of title shots on PPV and Kurt Angle even had a few World Title defenses in 2000. Yet for some reason, Jericho doesn't even get to be booked in any multiman match for the title. I just don't get that. He's stuck in this feud and later on a completely useless feud against Kane while Benoit, Angle and even Rikishi gets to main event. I wouldn't say he deserved the title, but damn, he should of at least been in one main event. Both men successfully hits Bronco Busters on each other (Sadly, Jericho's look more realistic) and there's a few near falls. Late in the match, X-Pac goes for the nunchucks, but misses the shot. X-Factor only gets Pac a 2 count. X-Pac reaches the ropes in a failed attempt at a Walls of Jericho. X-Pac gets powerbombed and Jericho is finally able to lock in the Walls of Jericho and Pac taps out. A fairly good match. Both guys worked well together with both also having a similar move set. Post match has Jericho keeping the Walls of Jericho locked in longer, but with the refs forcing him off (Well, the refs were late getting in the ring so Jericho already let go) X-Pac jumped Jericho with the dreaded nunchucks. Looks like they're going to continue this feud which is fine by me. Your first match of the night that's worth checking out. 9 Minutes. 3 Stars.

    Backstage, Kurt Angle yells at Mick Foley for allowing Austin to attack him. He'll still wrestle though since he had IBS the night before the Olympics and the day of he had some bowel problems. I guess he forgot about his broken freakin' neck. Foley makes Angle vs Hunter a no-Dq match.

    Cut to Austin walking in the lockerroom of The Rock. The two has a staredown before Rocky holds out his hand and the two shakes. Austin asks Rock who could of possibly stolen Rocky's rental car last November. Rock says it could of been anyone. In walks Joe...well Just Joe. He tells Austin that he heard some news about who ran him over. Instead of listening, Austin just attacks Joe (Ha, get it? He JUST attacks Joe...you know Just Joe?) I have to question Austin's logic in this. He came to Unforgiven to find out who ran him over, but the first person who offers some info, he attacks before hearing it. You never saw Sherlock Holmes doing that.

    The Hardy Boys vs Edge and Christian (c) - Tag Titles Steel Cage Match
    Even though they won the tag titles once before with Michael PS Hayes as their manager (Pre-Team eXtreme and Pre-New Brood), The Hardys have been trying, yet failing at regaining them. Their main obstacle in regaining the titles has been Edge and Christian. While this is a steel cage match, once again they change the rules for it acting as if it's always been the rules. The door of the cage is locked and is expected to be locked during the entire match. To win, you must either have both men escape the cage or pin one of your opponents. Where it gets weird is if you escape the cage, you can not reenter it. Basically, don't escape the cage unless your partner is to. Otherwise, your "Brother" is in a handicap cage match. The Hardys are in control early on. They bring Christian up in a double powerbomb, but decided to just through him up against the cage. Very early on in the match, Jeff goes to the top of the cage (Swanton bomb?), but Edge cuts him off and throws him off of the cage. Based on the rules, Hardy Boyz are one step closer to winning. Problem is, Matt is alone with Edge and Christian. I'm really confused by this since Jeff was hands down the more popular Hardy Boy. Wouldn't it have made more sense to have him in the cage while Matt tried to get back in? Having one guy escape so early on makes me wonder how long this match will even last. Stipulation matches like ladder and cage matches are horrible if they're real short. With the two man advantage, Edge and Christian takes their time working over Matt. With Matt between the ropes and cage, Christian hits a variation on the Poetry in Motion. Matt is bleeding. Hmm, I wonder if it's legit or not. It's not a full on crimson mask, so if it's a blade, it's not too impressive. During all this, Jeff tries to climb back up in the cage, but Christian and Edge keeps knocking him off. Well how about that, and E&C/Hardy Boyz match that has a story. I like it, even if I think they chose the wrong Hardy Boy. E&C hits a double suplex to Matt off of the cage. Jeff finally has enough of this BS and goes to the ref on the outside (There's one inside and outside) and demands to have the key to get in the door. The referee Jimmy Korderas (Black hair bald ref) refuses so Jeff kicks his ass and steals the key. I just checked WWE.com and shit, he's been a WWE ref since '87. I can't remember him being around that long. Jeff unlocks the door and throws a chair in, but E&C beats him up before he can get in. Christian leaves through the door (Remember, you can't get out by the door, so he's still technically in the match) to grab another chair and locks the cage back up. Edge takes the key and hides it in his trunks. Where's Lita when you need her? The Canadian "Brothers" go for a Con-chair-to, but Matt ducks and then hits a double closeline (Arms hitting the chairs into their faces.) Meanwhile, Jeff pulls a ladder out to try and help in his efforts. Matt and Christian hangs from the top of the cage. Jeff hits Christian with the ladder and Christian falls down to the floor. It's now between Matt and Edge. Jeff sets the ladder up so he can safely climb up without being hit off. Edge is pissed once he realizes the ladder isn't close enough to hit. Jeff tells Edge to just hold up, he'll be there in just a minute. Matt and Edge fights in the ring and Jeff takes off his shirt *Cue screams of girls* and hits a Whisper in the Wind to both men from the top of the cage. There's a faint HOLY SHIT chant I believe. A big time move is just what this match needed. Sadly, they replay the move 3 times and every time you can clearly see that Jeff at best grazed both men. Oh well, Jeff will be botching bigger moves in the years to come. Christian tries to climb up the ladder to get back in the match (Remember, once you're out of the ring/cage, you CAN'T go back in), but Lita comes out, lowblows Christian and hits a headscissors from the top of the ladder. A nice Lita chant follows. Edge starts climbing up, but the Hardys follow with both chairs. With Edge on top of the cage, The Hardys hits a Con-chair-to to Edge and he falls from the top of the cage to the ring. Another faint Holy Shit chant breaks out. See, if this match happened today, there would be a holy shit chant every few seconds seeing how whored out the chant is these days. With Christian still on the floor from the Headscissors, The Hardy Boyz climb down and reach the floor to capture the tag team titles. Your guess is as good as mine if Jeff needed to touch the floor again or not. I really wish the WWE would just use one set of rules for steel cage matches. It just makes matches confusing as to why they just can't go out the door. Up to this date, this was probably The Hardy Boyz biggest win. Even though they were tag team champions before, this one actually felt legit. Believe it or not, the Hardy Boyz weren't always a serious tag team that could win the titles at any time. Their first reign was like jobbers getting a small push and somehow getting the tag titles. This time, they had Lita and people could believe them as being the best tag team in the company. I was unsure of how this match would go down once Jeff escaped, but looking back I actually felt they did the right thing. We all know that these four can do memorable spots, but this match is mainly just storyline. I love that because it actually helped the spots be even more emotional. Besides the match story, there was the story of the Hardys finally getting E&C in a match where they can't cheat their way to victory. In the end, The Hardy Boyz uses E&C's own trademark to win to make the win even sweeter. With that being said, there are 3 major spots that will get anyone into the match. Each of those spots were nicely down (Even the botch) and really helped the match be bigger than it would of been. While the Ladder and TLC matches are what's remembered about this feud, this steel cage match should also be remembered as being one of their stronger efforts. Speaking of ladder matches, the following night, Raw debuted on TNN. One of the main matches was E&C vs The Hardy Boyz in a ladder match. I'd also suggest watching that as it's one of the few cases where doing such a major stipulation on free tv is a good idea. It was a great way to introduce the WWE product to a new channel. 14 Minutes 3 3/4 Stars.

    Backstage, Steve Austin walks in on Stephanie McMahon looking for Trips. Steph says that Hunter went to talk to Foley. To show how happy and relived to see Austin back, she gives Austin a present. That present happens to be the hat Austin was wearing when *HE* was ran over. "Well Gee Golly, I guess I can go home now that I have my hat" Austin says. Okay, so he didn't really say that, but it was close to it. Either way it's funny. Steph tells Austin to look for Shane since he has some sort of proof as to who ran him over.

    Cut to Hunter with Mick Foley. Hunter brings up how the two of them has been on fairly good terms lately. Hunter just wants to know if Foley will call it right down the middle since Trips wants to end Angle's career like he did Foley's. Yeah, you really ended his career. He only came back a month later, 4 years later, 5 years later, 6 years later and so on. Foley says that all he's going to do is count the pinfall.

    Eddie Guerrero (c) w/ Chyna vs Rikishi - IC Title
    This match came about after Eddie and Chyna was dancing with Too Cool. Realizing that he looked like a dumbass in shades, Eddie slides out and grabs a chair and attacks Too Cool. Rikishi being their BFF wants to avenge their attack. In reality, this match/feud was really just about Eddie and Chyna. After Summerslam, they started the whole Chyna in Playboy storyline with Eddie being jealous. This causes Chyna to break up with him, but Eddie asking her to marry him. She foolishly says yes. First, why would you say yes to marrying some guy when you just broke up with them? After this, Eddie was booked to face Rikishi, but he came down with a sudden case of the flu. Chyna takes his place with Eddie coming down wrapped in a blanket. Rikishi attacks Eddie, only to be sprayed in the eyes with some mace or something. On to the match, both men takes turn throwing each other against the steps. Eddie tries to bail once Rikishi tried doing the standing Banzi drops. Chyna isn't happy that her man is being a coward so she throws him back in the ring. Rikishi goes for a stinkface, but Chyna can't bare to see her man go through that and pulls him out. Rikishi is pissed since he and Chyna were somewhat friends and she was now screwing him over. Rikishi hits a Banzi drop, but Chyna comes in to ask the ref to stop counting. Rikishi gets pissed off again and pushes her down, thrust kick and hits the corner Banzi drop on Chyna. The ref for whatever reason DQ's Rikishi. I really don't get how you can DQ Rikishi for attacking the person who was screwing him over. Before checking on Chyna, Eddie grabs his belt. This was a meaningless match that should have been on Raw or SD. Rikishi was just a supporting character in the real feud between Chyna and Eddie. I love that they tried to always include an IC title match, but this just wasn't needed. Even Eddie can't make this match decent. 6 Minutes. 1 Star.

    Backstage, Angle is distraught having getting his ass kicked by Austin...correction Austin TRYING to kick his ass, Foley making his match No DQ and Stephanie not talking to him. Trish walks in and offers to help him in any way possible. Kurt gets a smile on his face "I have an idea" and walks out on Trish. What a moron.

    Triple H w/ Stephanie McMahon vs Kurt Angle - No DQ with Mick Foley as Ref
    The SD prior to the PPV, Angle attacked Hunter with a sledgehammer so Trips' ribs are taped up. Early on both men argues with Foley over the count. Foley knocks Angle on his ass. Lawler keeps bringing up how Stephanie looks worried the more Angle is hurt. But she said she was behind her husband, surely she wouldn't turn on him right? Hunter hits an one armed Pedigree but is too hurt to cover. Stephanie comes in the ring and ends up between the two men. It's time for her to make a choice. She ends up lowblowing Angle (Not to be confused with the blowing she is known for doing). Trips hits a better pedigree and wins the match. Afterwards, Stephanie is checking on Angle, so Trips grabs her and gives her a very aggressive kiss that makes Stephanie bleed. The two of them walks out together. It was a fairly decent match, but the booking was a bit confusing. Everything was booked for Stephanie to turn on Hunter, even if it was after this show, but it never happened. This feud would continue, however; it wouldn't be such a major feud for either guy since Hunter was about to feud with Austin. Even though Angle would end up winning the other three matches against Hunter on ppv, he really should of won this match. It was just the next ppv that Angle got a World Title shot while Hunter got a match against Benoit. How does the loser of this match get a title shot while the winner faces a loser of championship matches? Great example of good match, but bad booking. 18 Minutes. 2 1/2 Stars.

    Shane McMahon heads to the ring to show his video footage that would prove who ran Austin over. He shows a video clip from last year of Steve Blackman running Ken Shamrock over. God, they're still pushing the Shane/Blackman feud? Ugh. The ironic thing is that Shamrock was feuding with the McMahons at the time and Blackman somewhat became the McMahon's hired gun to take Shamrock out. This brings Steve Blackman out ready to beat McMahon up some more. Before he can, Austin's new music hits and he comes out. After a staredown, Austin stuns Blackman. Cue the music and Shane gets the cooler full of beers. He and Austin has a beer bash before Austin Stuns Shane. Shane had some beer in his mouth at the time, so he did a Triple H like spit as he was getting stunned. Austin celebrates some more only for Shane to get up. Austin hits another stunner. Steve heads to the commentator's table to drink some more beers. Finally, he heads back in the ring to stun Shane one last time. Well he didn't find out who ran him over, but he did beat up 5 people and drink a lot of beers. Sounds like a good day for Steve.

    The Rock vs Undertaker vs Chris Benoit vs Kane - Fatal Fourway WWE Title
    Fatal Fourways just screams "We don't have anything for the champion to do, so we're sticking him in a match with several other wrestlers." To show how meaningless the WWE made this match feel, they didn't even advertise the match until 3 minutes until the match when the promo and the Rock had an interview. But hey, they made sure to showcase plenty of time for Austin to find out who ran him over...even though he didn't. Rock attacks Kane while Taker attacks Benoit. Rock and Taker faces off only to have Kane attack Rock and Benoit attack Taker. Rock and Benoit head off into the fans while Taker and Kane battles in the ring. The ref is knocked out and everyone else is knocked out by a chair. Benoit covers Taker and gets the pin at about 8 minutes. As Benoit is leaving, Foley comes out telling the ref that Taker had his foot on the rope. The ref restarts the match with Rock, Taker and Kane beating Benoit up near the entrance. Back to the ring, Taker and Kane battles on the outside while Rock and Benoit battles in the ring. Benoit locks in the Crossface for a long time before Taker comes in. Kane pulls Taker out and Rocky hits the Rock Bottom. Rock covers Benoit, Taker tries to stop the pin, but Kane stops Taker. So essentially, Kane allowed Rock to win. This match was pointless and just a time filler until Rock lost the title. Benoit only had two title matches that year, yet both involved him winning, but then having Foley restart the match. What the hell? Try doing something more original for the second match. This is your very typical fatal fourway of it being all action with very little to no storytelling. It's bad enough you stick your World Champion in a filler feud, but to not even build it up during the show makes it seem like your title isn't even important. 16 Minutes. 2 Stars.

    Overall
    This show is just proof that the WWE should of kept putting on 2 hour In Your House PPVs. The first 3 matches and the IC title had zero business being on PPV. The Fatal Fourway would of been fine for a cheap 2 hour PPV. It also shows that the WWE even though they were making a lot of money, were making terrible booking choices. Sadly, it only gets worst as the year comes to an end. All the Austin segments were gold, as was the Cage match, but besides that, this ppv was very skipable. The thing that makes it so disappointing is that this could of been a very enjoyable ppv. Make the main event Rock vs Benoit, have Angle win with Steph turning on Hunter, book Snow vs Saturn for the Euro title, book Tazz in a more serious feud, don't allow Richards to be powerbombed through the table and replace Rikishi with Chyna in the IC title match.

    Best Match: Edge and Christian vs The Hardy Boyz - Steel Cage
    Worst Match: Hardcore Title Match

    Overall Grade: C -

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    Great review thus far. I love you talking so highly of Y2J

    Sounds decent so far, mostly because of the Y2J match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenTheKiller View Post
    Great review thus far. I love you talking so highly of Y2J

    Sounds decent so far, mostly because of the Y2J match.
    See, I'm not completely bias against him. While I don't feel he's World Champion worthy, Jericho was treated like shit in the season half of 2000 (After the Benoit feud). Pretty much all of the other midcard/low main eventers (Benoit, Show, Rikishi, Angle and Kane) all got title matches, but Jericho. It would of been okay had Jericho been put in some good feuds (Aka not ones based around you accidentally spilling coffee on Kane).

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    I like how you said Jericho should have at least been a challenger for the top title. Whether he deserved it or not is disputable, but he got a louder pop than Kane, Benoit, Show, Angle, etc. *granted half of them were getting good heat, but I think Y2J's reaction was louder* and could have at least been in a top match.

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    And just like WCW making mistakes in 1996, the WWF was starting to make mistakes at this time that later on would hurt them. It's not long after this PPV, ratings would begin to go down which with the exception of a few shows (Mainly Invasion) they would continue to go down to eventually today's pathetic buyrates. The problem the WWE was making was that they weren't pushing anyone new. Sure you had people like Benoit and Angle be pushed into a few World Title matches, but at the end of the day, they same guys were still the main guys in the company. Even though Kurt Angle was champion, he wasn't even booked as the top heel at the time. (One guess who was). Meanwhile, Benoit, Angle and Jericho were always pushed back so that they could always feature The Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H and The Undertaker in their main matches. It's bad enough that fans started to tune away when Austin vs Taker and Kane vs Hunter were headlining shows, but what happens when Rocky spends more time in Hollywood, Kane is out with an injury and Austin walks out in 2002? You're left with a very weak main event scene because you never finalized any of these pushes. This is the big reason why 2002-2006 suffered at times. They realized that they didn't have enough main eventers and because they treated some men badly, they had to practically start fresh with other guys to build them up to be legit main eventers.

    Not looking ahead is the biggest downfall of any wrestling company. Verne refused to plan ahead in the AWA, Bischoff tried riding one successful storyline and Vince held people back because he never thought his top guys would leave. In all cases, they suffered to some extent.

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    I think Vince figured since he had no competition he had nothing to worry about too. I could be wrong, but I'm sure at the very least, he slowed the chance of new guys because he knew that if something did happen he'd be safe as the only game in town.

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    Updated first post with 3 more matches.

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    I never really got the hate for Buchanon :/

    I barely remembered this at first though the review jogged my memory a bit. I remember the Hardys/E&C cage match being pretty damn great. The Angle/Trips match I remember liking too, though I could be mistaking it for one of their other matches seeing as they had a lot of good matches together.


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    Good addition. The Hardys/Edge match sounds very good. i don't remember it right now though.

    Angle was great as a dorky heel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillSteve View Post
    I never really got the hate for Buchanon :/
    Bull was a good big man who was very agile for his size, but the guy had zero charisma. Because of that, none of his feuds really drew interest from the fans. The guy would of been decent with a great talking manager like Paul Heyman.

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    Good review so far. I am looking forward to your thoughts on the title match. I have not seen it for a while but I remember it being enjoyable.
    I doubt you'd agree with my review of the final match, but I finished and updated my review.


    Coming up next: WWF's No Mercy 2000. Highlights include:

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    I'm just over halfway done with it, so I should have it up later tonight.

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    Hardys in a MOTN :0


    Out of interest, all that stuff about fatal fourways being pointless and having no storytelling, do you think this year's Backlash main event got away from that?


    I remember really enjoying No Mercy, so it shall be interesting to see you tear it apart T.T


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    I remember watching it and screaming bloody murder because Kane did that. I'm a UT mark but I hated the Rock lol. So I was so pissed Kane stopped UT from getting in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillSteve View Post
    Out of interest, all that stuff about fatal fourways being pointless and having no storytelling, do you think this year's Backlash main event got away from that?
    I never bothered to watch the match. Triple H matches bore me. JBL matches bore me. Randy Orton matches bore me. So my thought process made me wonder why I'd even bother watching a match with 3 of the most boring wrestlers in the WWE (In my opinion).


    I remember really enjoying No Mercy, so it shall be interesting to see you tear it apart T.T
    Well let's just say if the final couple of matches isn't fantastic, this would be a terrible ppv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blooddrunk View Post
    So the fact that everyone is calling it a MOTYC isn't enough to make you reconsider your decision?
    Not really, especially seeing the sources. All these other MOTYC's that the same people say (with the same wrestlers) I tend to disagree with. So I can assume that I'd disagree now. Either way, it's not too high of a priority on my list of things to watch.

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    Tom, you're really barking up the wrong tree tbh...


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