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    Dave Meltzer's Wrestlemania Ratings

    Wrestlemania 1

    -Tito Santana vs. The Executioner: **1/2
    -King Kong Bundy vs. S.D. Jones: DUD
    -Matt Bourne vs. Ricky Steamboat: ***1/4
    -Brutus Beefcake vs. David Sammartino: **
    -Greg Valentine vs. Junkyard Dog: 1/2*
    -Barry Windham & Mike Rotundo vs. Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff: ***
    -Andre the Giant vs. Big John Studd: -**
    -Leilani Kai vs. Wendy Richter: *
    -Hulk Hogan & Mr. T vs. Roddy Piper & Paul Orndorff: N/A

    Wrestlemania 2

    -Paul Orndorff vs. Magnificent Muraco: DUD
    -Randy Savage vs. George Steele: *
    -Jake Roberts vs. George Welles: **
    -Roddy Piper vs. Mr. T: -*****
    -Fabulous Moolah vs. Velvet McIntyre: DUD
    -Corporal Kirchner vs. Nikolai Volkoff: DUD
    -20-Man Battle Royal featuring: Andre the Giant, Ted Arcidi, Tony Atlas, Brian Blair, Jim Brunzell, Jimbo Covert, Bill Fralic, Russ Francis, Bret Hart, Hillbilly Jim, Ernie Holmes, Iron Sheik, King Tonga, Harvey Martin, Pedro Morales, Jim Niedhart, William Perry, Bruno Sammartino, Danny Spivey, John Studd: **
    -Brutus Beefcake & Greg Valentine vs. The British Bulldogs: ****
    -Ricky Steamboat vs. Hercules Hernandez: ***
    -Adrian Adonis vs. Uncle Elmer: *
    -Terry & Hoss Funk vs. Tito Santana & Junkyard Dog: ***1/2
    -Hulk Hogan vs. King King Bundy: *1/4

    Wrestlemania 3

    -The Can-Am Connection vs. Magnificent Muraco & Bob Orton: **1/2
    -Hercules vs. Billy Jack Haynes: **3/4
    -Hillbilly Jim, Little Beaver & Haiti Kid vs. King Kong Bundy, Lord Littlebrook & Little Tokyo: *
    -Harley Race vs. Junkyard Dog: *
    -Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake vs. The Rougeau Brothers: *1/2
    -Roddy Piper vs. Adrian Adonis: ***1/2
    -The Hart Foundation & Danny Davis vs. The British Bulldogs & Tito Santana: **3/4
    -Koko B. Ware vs. Butch Reed: 1/2*
    -Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat: ****1/2
    -Jake Roberts vs. Honkeytonk Man: **1/2
    -The Killer Bees vs. Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff: *1/2
    -Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant: -****

    Wrestlemania 4

    -20-Man Battle Royal featuring: Bad News Brown, Ron Bass, Brian Blair, Jim Brunzell, Danny Davis, Bret Hart, Hillbilly Jim, Sam Houston, Junkyard Dog, Jim Niedhart, Ken Patera, Jim Powers, Harley Race, Paul Roma, Jacques Rougeau, Raymond Rougeau, Sika, George Steele, Nikolai Volkoff, Boris Zuhkov: 1/2*
    -Ted DiBiase vs. Jim Duggan: *1/4
    -Dino Bravo vs. Don Muraco: 1/2*
    -Ricky Steamboat vs. Greg Valentine: **1/4
    -Randy Savage vs. Butch Reed: *
    -Bam Bam Bigelow vs. One Man Gang: DUD
    -Jake Roberts vs. Rick Rude: -**
    -Hercules vs. Ultimate Warrior: -*1/2
    -Andre the Giant vs. Hulk Hogan: 1/4*
    -Ted DiBiase vs. Don Muraco: *1/2
    -Randy Savage vs. Greg Valentine: **1/4
    -Honkeytonk Man vs. Brutus Beefcake: DUD
    -The Islanders & Bobby Heenan vs. The British Bulldogs & Koko B. Ware: *1/4
    -Randy Savage vs. One Man Gang: 1/2*
    -Demolition vs. Strike Force: **1/2
    -Ted DiBiase vs. Randy Savage: **1/4

    Wrestlemania 5

    -Hercules vs. King Haku: 1/2*
    -The Rockers vs. The Twin Towers: *3/4
    -Ted DiBiase vs. Brutus Beefcake: *3/4
    -The Fabulous Rougeaus vs. The Bushwackers: -****
    -Mr. Perfect vs. Blue Blazer: **1/4
    -Demolition vs. The Powers of Pain & Mr. Fuji: DUD
    -Dino Bravo vs. Ron Garvin: DUD
    -Strike Force vs. The Brainbusters: **1/2
    -Jake Roberts vs. Andre the Giant: -***
    -The Hart Foundation vs. Greg Valentine & Honkeytonk Man: **1/4
    -Ultimate Warrior vs. Rick Rude: **1/2
    -Bad News Brown vs. Jim Duggan: DUD
    -Red Rooster vs. Bobby Heenan: DUD
    -Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage: **3/4

    Wrestlemania 6

    -Rick Martel vs. Koko B. Ware: **
    -Demolition vs. The Colossal Connection: **
    -Hercules vs. Earthquake: *
    -Mr. Perfect vs. Brutus Beefcake: **3/4
    -Roddy Piper vs. Bad News Brown: *3/4
    -The Hart Foundation vs. The Bolsheviks: 1/4*
    -Tito Santana vs. Barbarian: 3/4*
    -Randy Savage & Sensational Sherri vs. Dusty Rhodes & Sapphire: *1/2
    -The Rockers vs. The Orient Express: ***
    -Jim Duggan vs. Dino Bravo: *1/2
    -Jake Roberts vs. Ted DiBiase: **1/2
    -Big Bossman vs. Akeem: -1/2*
    -Rick Rude vs. Jimmy Snuka: *3/4
    -Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior: ***3/4

    Wrestlemania 7

    -The Rockers vs. Barbarian & Haku: ***1/2
    -Kerry Von Erich vs. Dino Bravo: 3/4*
    -British Bulldog vs. Warlord: **1/2
    -The Hart Foundation vs. The Nasty Boys: ***1/2
    -Jake Roberts vs. Rick Martel: DUD
    -Undertaker vs. Jimmy Snuka: *
    -Randy Savage vs. Ultimate Warrior: ****1/4
    -Tenryu & Kitao vs. Demolition: -1/2*
    -Mr. Perfect vs. Big Bossman: **1/2
    -Earthquake vs. Greg Valentine: DUD
    -The Legion of Doom vs. Power & Glory: DUD
    -Ted DiBiase vs. Virgil: **
    -Tito Santana vs. The Mountie: -1/2*
    -Hulk Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter: **1/2

    Wrestlemania 8

    -Shawn Michaels vs. El Matador: **
    -Jake Roberts vs. Undertaker: 3/4*
    -Roddy Piper vs. Bret Hart: ***1/2
    -Big Bossman, Virgil, Sgt. Slaughter & Jim Duggan vs. The Nasty Boys, Repo Man & The Mountie: 1/4*
    -Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair: ****1/4
    -Tatanka vs. Rick Martel: *1/4
    -Money Inc. vs. The Natural Disasters: -**
    -Owen Hart vs. Skinner: DUD
    -Hulk Hogan vs. Sid Justice: -**

    Wrestlemania 9

    -Shawn Michaels vs. Tatanka: ***1/2
    -The Steiner Brothers vs. The Headshrinkers: **1/2
    -Doink vs. Crush: *1/2
    -Bob Backlund vs. Razor Ramon: -*
    -Hulk Hogan & Brutus Beefcake vs. Money Inc.: **
    -Lex Luger vs. Mr. Perfect: *1/4
    -Giant Gonzalez vs. Undertaker: *1/4
    -Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna: ***
    -Yokozuna vs. Hulk Hogan: DUD

    Wrestlemania 10

    -Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart: ****3/4
    -Bam Bam Bigelow & Luna Vachon vs. Doink & Dink: *3/4
    -Randy Savage vs. Crush: **3/4
    -Leliani Kai vs. Alundra Blayze: *1/4
    -Men on a Mission vs. The Quebecers: *1/4
    -Lex Luger vs. Yokozuna: 1/2*
    -Earthquake vs. Adam Bomb: DUD
    -Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon: *****
    -Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna: **1/4

    Wrestlemania 11

    -Lex Luger & British Bulldog vs. Jacob & Eli Blu: 1/2*
    -Jeff Jarrett vs. Razor Ramon: **3/4
    -Undertaker vs. King Kong Bundy: -*
    -Owen Hart & Yokozuna vs. The Smoking Gunns: **
    -Bret Hart vs. Bob Backlund: *1/4
    -Diesel vs. Shawn Michaels: ****
    -Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Lawrence Taylor: **

    Wrestlemania 12

    -Vader, Owen Hart & British Bulldog vs. Ahmed Johnson, Yokozuna & Jake Roberts: **1/2
    -Roddy Piper vs. Goldust: N/A
    -Steve Austin vs. Savio Vega: **
    -Ultimate Warrior vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley: DUD
    -Diesel vs. Undertaker: **1/4
    -Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels: ****1/4

    Wrestlemania 13

    -The Headbangers vs. Doug Furnas & Phil LaFon vs. The New Blackjacks vs. Henry & Phinneas Goddwinn: -1/2*
    -Rocky Maivia vs. The Sultan: *1/4
    -Hunter Hearst Helmsley vs. Goldust: **1/4
    -Owen Hart & British Bulldog vs. Vader & Mankind: **1/2
    -Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin: *****
    -Faarooq, Savio Vega & Crush vs. The Legion of Doom & Ahmed Johnson: ***1/2
    -Sycho Sid vs. Undertaker: *1/4

    Wrestlemania 14

    -15-Team Battle Royal featuring: LOD 2000, Savio Vega & Miguel Perez, Recon & Sniper, Chainz & Bradshaw, D-Lo Brown & Mark Henry, The Quebecers, The Rock-n-Roll Express, Jesus Castillo & Jose Estrada, The Headbangers, Scott Taylor & Brian Christopher, Steve Blackman & Flash Funk, The Godwinns, Skull & Eight Ball, Farooq & Kama, Bob Holly & Bart Gunn: -1/2*
    -TAKA Michinoku vs. Aguila: 1/2*
    -HHH vs. Owen Hart: ***
    -Sable & Marc Mero vs. Goldust & Luna: ***
    -Rock vs. Ken Shamrock: *1/2
    -The New Age Outlaws vs. Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie: ***1/4
    -Undertaker vs. Kane: *1/2
    -Shawn Michaels vs. Steve Austin: ***1/4

    Wrestlemania 15

    -Billy Gunn vs. Hardcore Holly vs. Al Snow: *1/4
    -Jeff Jarrett & Owen Hart vs. D'Lo Brown & Test: *1/4
    -Butterbean vs. Bart Gunn: N/A
    -Mankind vs. Paul Wight: 3/4*
    -Road Dogg vs. Ken Shamrock vs. Val Venis vs. Goldust: *1/2
    -HHH vs. Kane: *1/4
    -Sable vs. Tori: -**
    -Shane McMahon vs. X-Pac: **3/4
    -Undertaker vs. Big Bossman: DUD
    -Steve Austin vs. Rock: ***1/2

    Wrestlemania 16

    -D'Lo Brown & Godfather vs. Big Bossman & Bull Buchanan: 1/4*
    -Hardcore Battle Royal featuring: Bradshaw, Faarooq, Funaki, Mosh, Thrasher, Crash Holly, Hardcore Holly, Joey Abbs, Rodney, Pete "Gas", TAKA Michinoku, Tazz, Viscera: 1/2*
    -Al Snow & Steve Blackman vs. Test & Albert: -*1/4
    -The Dudley Boys vs. Edge & Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz: ****
    -Terri vs. Kat: -*
    -Eddy Guerrero, Dean Malenko & Perry Saturn vs. Chyna & Too Cool: **1/2
    -Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho: **3/4
    -Rikishi & Kane vs. X-Pac & Road Dogg: *
    -HHH vs. Rock vs. Mick Foley vs. Big Show: ***

    Wrestlemania 17

    -Chris Jericho vs. William Regal: **
    -The APA & Tazz vs. Val Venis, Bull Buchanan & The Goodfather: 1/2*
    -Raven vs. Kane vs. Big Show: *3/4
    -Eddy Guerrero vs. Test: **1/4
    -Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle: ****1/4
    -Chyna vs. Ivory: -*
    -Vince McMahon vs. Shane McMahon: ***
    -The Dudley Boys vs. Edge & Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz: ****3/4
    -Gimmick Battle Royal featuring: Brother Love, Bushwhackers, Jim Cornette, Doink, Duke Droese, Earthquake, Gobbledy Gooker, Goon, Michael Hayes, Hillbilly Jim, Iron Sheik, Kamala, Kim Chee, One Man Gang, Repo Man, Sgt. Slaughter, Tugboat, Nikolai Volkoff: DUD
    -HHH vs. Undertaker: ***1/2
    -Steve Austin vs. Rock: ****1/2

    Wrestlemania 18

    -Rob Van Dam vs. William Regal: **
    -Christian vs. Diamond Dallas Page: *3/4
    -Maven vs. Goldust: -1/2*
    -Kurt Angle vs. Kane: **1/4
    -Ric Flair vs. Undertaker: ***
    -Edge vs. Booker T: *1/4
    -Steve Austin vs. Scott Hall: *
    -Billy & Chuck vs. The Dudley Boys vs. The Hardy Boyz vs. The APA: **1/4
    -Rock vs. Hulk Hogan: ***
    -Lita vs. Jazz vs. Trish Stratus: -*
    -Chris Jericho vs. HHH: ***

    Wrestlemania 19

    -Matt Hardy vs. Rey Mysterio: **1/4
    -Undertaker vs. Big Show & A-Train: *1/4
    -Trish Stratus vs. Jazz vs. Victoria: **1/4
    -Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin vs. Los Guerreros vs. Chris Benoit & Rhyno: ***
    -Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels: ****1/4
    -HHH vs. Booker T: ***1/4
    -Hulk Hogan vs. Vince McMahon: ***
    -Rock vs. Steve Austin: ****
    -Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar: ****1/4

    Wrestlemania 20

    -Big Show vs. John Cena: *1/4
    -Rob Van Dam & Booker T vs. La Resistance vs. Mark Jindrak & Garrison Cade vs. The Dudley Boys: *1/2
    -Chris Jericho vs. Christian: ***1/2
    -Mick Foley & Rock vs. Randy Orton, Batista & Ric Flair: ***3/4
    -Torrie Wilson & Sable vs. Stacy Keibler & Miss Jackie: 1/4*
    -Cruiserweight Open featuring: Chavo Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Shannon Moore, Ultimo Dragon, Nunzio, Jamie Noble, Akio, Tajiri, Billy Kidman, Funaki: **1/2
    -Bill Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar: *1/4
    -Rikishi & Scottie Too Hottie vs. The Basham Bros. vs. Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin vs. The APA: *1/4
    -Molly Holly vs. Victoria: *
    -Eddy Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle: ****
    -Undertaker vs. Kane: *1/4
    -HHH vs. Chris Benoit vs. Shawn Michaels: ****3/4

    Wrestlemania 21

    -Eddy Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio: ***1/4
    -Edge vs. Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Christian vs. Kane: ****1/2
    -Randy Orton vs. Undertaker: ***1/2
    -Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme: DUD
    -Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle: ****3/4
    -Akebono vs. Big Show: DUD
    -John Bradshaw Layfield vs. John Cena: *1/4
    -HHH vs. Batista: **3/4

    Wrestlemania 22

    -Big Show & Kane vs. Carlito & Chris Masters: *3/4
    -Rob Van Dam vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Matt Hardy vs. Finlay vs. Bobby Lashley vs. Ric Flair: ****
    -Chris Benoit vs. John Bradshaw Layfield: **3/4
    -Mick Foley vs. Edge: ****
    -Booker T & Sharmell vs. The Boogeyman: -*
    -Mickie James vs. Trish Stratus: **
    -Undertaker vs. Mark Henry: *1/2
    -Shawn Michaels vs. Vince McMahon: ***1/2
    -Rey Mysterio vs. Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton: ***1/2
    -Torrie Wilson vs. Candice Michelle: DUD
    -John Cena vs. Triple H: ***3/4

    Ranking the Wrestlemanias by star ratings average:

    WM 19: 3.0556
    WM 21: 2.5
    WM 22: 2.3409
    WM 17: 2.3182
    WM 12: 2.2
    WM 20: 2.1875
    WM 13: 2.1786
    WM 10: 2.1667
    WM 14: 1.8125
    WM 6: 1.7143
    WM 3: 1.6667
    WM 11: 1.6429
    WM 18: 1.6364
    WM 7: 1.5357
    WM 9: 1.4167
    WM 16: 1.3056
    WM 1: 1.28125
    WM 15: 1.1389
    WM 2: 1.0625
    WM 8: 0.8889
    WM 4: 0.75
    WM 5: 0.6607



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    Alot of his ratings are fair, Meltzer is a bit harsh, so I assume that whatever he gives a match, plus a quarter or a half is usually about right. But he gave Angle/Benoit from 17 a blashphemus rating.

    Also:

    Ranking the Wrestlemanias by star ratings average:

    WM 19: 3.0556
    WM 21: 2.5
    WM 22: 2.3409
    WM 17: 2.3182
    WM 12: 2.2
    WM 20: 2.1875
    WM 13: 2.1786
    WM 10: 2.1667
    WM 14: 1.8125
    WM 6: 1.7143
    WM 3: 1.6667
    WM 11: 1.6429
    WM 18: 1.6364
    WM 7: 1.5357
    WM 9: 1.4167
    WM 16: 1.3056
    WM 1: 1.28125
    WM 15: 1.1389
    WM 2: 1.0625
    WM 8: 0.8889
    WM 4: 0.75
    WM 5: 0.6607
    Looks like Wrestlemanias have gotten better over the years.

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    From a wrestling standpoint, he's right. His ratings are based on watching just the show, and nothing else I'm sure. WM1 had no classics at all! If ou add the entertainment aspect of the WM's, it throws up a star or so. But I totally agree with his ratings. I hate it when peeps give matches 5 stars automatically. Then the peeps tat mae it like some psychotic game with the star rating system. It is possible to rate a match with stars imo if you're rating it's wrestling.

    WM8 might be too low for ratings, but the first 5 manias had maybe 2 classics when combined together.

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    So you feel Y2J, Kurt Angle, and Chris Benoit had a ** 3/4 match?

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    Meltzer is a fucking buster. He gave the most overrated boring match in Joe/Punk II five stars but refused to give a even better HBK/Benoit/HHH match a lower one. How the hell he does the same to HBK/Angle is beyond me.
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    Basically, Capone, you're my drunk friend who I love, but I need to deal with you pissing all over in my car and starting fights with big dudes with me getting punched in the face as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by Capone View Post
    Meltzer is a fucking buster. He gave the most overrated boring match in Joe/Punk II five stars but refused to give a even better HBK/Benoit/HHH match a lower one. How the hell he does the same to HBK/Angle is beyond me.
    But he did give it a lower rating. =)

    Also, it has to be said that Joe/Punk II owns your soul. I can't believe you don't like the match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulz0 View Post
    But he did give it a lower rating. =)

    Also, it has to be said that Joe/Punk II owns your soul. I can't believe you don't like the match.
    The match had great wrestling but it bored the shit out of me. It feels like chore to watch the whole thing and nothing about the match attracts me to fucking sit a hour through it. It is nowhere near as good as Joe/Kobashi, KENTA/Marafuji, Misawa/Kobashi, HHH/Benoit/HBK, or any other five star match for that matter. Joe/Punk I was better because it atleast kept me interested from the beginning to the end and never makes me regret watching it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Basically, Capone, you're my drunk friend who I love, but I need to deal with you pissing all over in my car and starting fights with big dudes with me getting punched in the face as well


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    Fair enough, maybe it was far too technical for you. I've noticed that's the main complaint from anyone that dislikes it, and I'm not going to change your mind by making lots of analytical points so fuck it. I'll just agree to disagree. I will say that two of those matches aren't actual five star matches though, assuming you're going by what Meltzer has said of course. If you're talking about your own views then that's your problem. =P

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    KENTA/Marufuji is ***** Paul, and you know it

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    HHH/Benoit/HBK & KENTA/Marafuji >>>>>>>>> Bryan Danielson/Mcguinness & Punk/Joe II
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Basically, Capone, you're my drunk friend who I love, but I need to deal with you pissing all over in my car and starting fights with big dudes with me getting punched in the face as well


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    I agree, but all three were epic'd to fuck. Nigel/AmDrag (the Unified match) fell just short of being ***** for me.

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    Driven match did not really get me into it as much but the Unified match was a fucking roller coaster ride. The wrestling, the atmosphere, the story, and the emotion in the match is unbelievable......but I just can't give it five stars. I couldn't argue with someone that would give it but...well it's hard to say why.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Basically, Capone, you're my drunk friend who I love, but I need to deal with you pissing all over in my car and starting fights with big dudes with me getting punched in the face as well


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    lol I know what you mean. It has everything right about it...it's just not the "OMG fucking wow" stuff you expect in a real ***** match.


    I have yet to see the Unified match :[

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillSteve View Post
    lol I know what you mean. It has everything right about it...it's just not the "OMG fucking wow" stuff you expect in a real ***** match.


    I have yet to see the Unified match :[


    I thought that was the match we were talking about?
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    Fuck, I meant I havent seen the Driven match

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    The match is nothing special to me and me & Paulz0 will NEVER see eye to eye on it at all but I'll upload it for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Basically, Capone, you're my drunk friend who I love, but I need to deal with you pissing all over in my car and starting fights with big dudes with me getting punched in the face as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by KennethTheKiller View Post
    So you feel Y2J, Kurt Angle, and Chris Benoit had a ** 3/4 match?
    Two and three-fourths is more than half of 5, meaning it was better than average, and that is what the match was. It wasn't a 4 star master piece in the adels of mania society was it? And it wasn't spectacular enough for a 3 star and 1/2 was it? **3/4 - ***.

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    It was definitely a 3 star match minimum.

    My ratings:

    Anything less than 1: Don't waste your time
    1: Shit
    1.5: Watchable but not that good
    2: Decent
    2.5: Average
    3: Good
    3.5: Very Good
    4: Great
    4.5: Fucking Excellent
    5: Amazing

    It was a good-very good match. Hardly average.

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    The Unified match is slightly more epic than the Driven match, but neither is 5* to me. The match from Unified is dangerously close, however. There's one thing I've never really understood about it, though. The rule was that if the match ended in a DQ or count out the match would be re-started. But Dragon (if my memory serves me correctly) tries to get Nigel counted out, which seems really pointless because he can't win that way.

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    The rules were if they both got counted out or some sort of draw were to happen then the match would of been restarted. Simple mistake.
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