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    Women in Pro Wrestling

    Last week on Raw, Santino Marella cut a promo that participating in the Bunnymania match at Wrestlemania was "demeaning" and that WWE Divas should be at home instead of in the ring. Although some people disagree, there are a lot of wrestling fans that don't. What do people honestly thing of women's wrestling in general (WWE, TNA, ROH and other indies)? Are the matches "demeaning" to the female talent and reflect badly on the male wrestlers? Or do these views have no place in today's day and age?

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    It depends on the show we are watching. WWE I can't stomach for the most part because their women are more eye candy and like on the skills. They do try so I'll give them that, but to try and to deliver are 2 different things.

    TNA I love as much as the guys. The story lines are better than just being slutty. I'm digging the Angelina Love/Velvet Sky gimmicks as the evil popular girl kind of gimmick. Kong is Kong. Gail Kim sounds like a cartoon duck, but she can go in the ring. ODB is the best thing since sliced bread. Roxxy can go. The action and the overall talent of that group is legit and they aren't all barbie doll figures and TNA doesn't do the Bra and Panties kind of junk. They treat them like other indy promotions do for the most part and that s like any other wrestler.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Its mainly WWE that does the lame matches that degrade female wrestlers. SHIMMER & now TNA have actual womens wrestling being portayed as equal to the men. Most Indies will have talented females who can entertain the majority of the audiance, but stick them infront of a bigger crowd & that'll fall to pieces.
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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    I have no interest in women's wrestling.

    I don't see a problem with the way WWE utilizes the women on their roster.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    WWE's use of the women are in a complete different manner than others use them. Basically in WWE they are eye candy. For some people that is fine, but they can put on just as good of a show as the men. TNA womens wrestling is a perfect example of that.

    If you want good wrestling action out of the women, then WWE is abysmal outside of a mediocre match here and there. But if you want eye candy and not so great action, WWE Divas should do the trick.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    You guys are simply generalizing. Yes, they have eye candy such as Kelly, Layla, Maria, and so on.. but how it is demeaning? They love doing what they do and the fans love them for it..

    On the flip side, Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Candice Michelle and others wrestle.. The matches aren't given as much time as the TNA knockouts, but they are still there.. Back when Trish and Lita were around the Women's title was pretty well respected as well..


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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    I tend to fast forward through the majority of the WWE women's matches. I can watch the TNA matches as long as ODB, Kim or Kong is in them. WWE is all about the B&P. While it's nice on the eyes, it is boring as hell to watch.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    You guys are simply generalizing. Yes, they have eye candy such as Kelly, Layla, Maria, and so on.. but how it is demeaning? They love doing what they do and the fans love them for it..

    On the flip side, Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Candice Michelle and others wrestle.. The matches aren't given as much time as the TNA knockouts, but they are still there.. Back when Trish and Lita were around the Women's title was pretty well respected as well..
    Mickie and Beth may be the only Divas that can be used in TNA. The wrestling quality of the Diva line up compared to the Knockout line up is different as nice and day. It may be "generalized" but when you are talking about the overall product you can't say that WWE womens wrestling is great or even good when there are only a small handful of their members that can actually go. TNA's aren't the most beautiful, but the majority there can put on a legitimate wrestling show.

    As far as demeaning goes... when you are talking about the context of wrestling, and the staple match for your group is a bra and panties match, it is demeaning as a stand point of a wrestler, maybe not so much as a woman. To play the opposite side of things, the second we have a Angle vs Joe thong match, is the second that I quit watching wrestling.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Well American female wrestling has always lagged behind Joshi. Japanese women's wrestling has produced some of the best matches in the history of the industry bar none, and some of the best wrestling in the history of the industry bar none (Aja Kong, Kansai, Toyota, Hokuto). But if we're talking about America, women still have a place in wrestling.

    Mainstream women's wrestling in the States is pretty terrible with women like Stacy Keibler, Torrie Wilson, Kelly Kelly, and Ashley Massaro dominating TV screens. Even the ringside babes are nothing but eye candy nowadays. Women like Christy Hemme, Torrie Wilson, and Kelly Kelly are at least expected to be able to hold the audience's interest with a well executed promo but can't even manage to do that.

    The last few years have seen somewhat of an improvement while the same old crap is still repeating itself. We still have the diva search, and the horror that is Kelly Kelly introduced herself to a worldwide audience. But we've had the introduction of Queen Sharmell, who is one of the best promos in the buisness ATM bar-none. And also the introduction of the TNA Women's division. Such talent hasn't been shown by women anywhere for years in the US except for in the indies. With Awesome Kong, Gail Kim, Jacqueline, ODB, The Beautiful People, Roxxi Laveaux, Daizee Haze, and Cheerleader Melissa all showing their stuff, women's wrestling is looking up in the states. Hopefully WWE will follow suite.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Quote Originally Posted by Griff0rd View Post
    Mickie and Beth may be the only Divas that can be used in TNA
    What about Victoria, Nattie, Melina.. They have others. They just happen to have a lot of women who are incompetent..

    but then again, as much as I like the Beautiful People, their matches haven't been classics lately, either..


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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Why is ODB rated so highly? I don't get it...she has the build of a man...acts like a man who only drinks Caffine infused alcohol...and dresses like she's always going to a bachelor party as a stripper. she's decent in the ring but Kim is A LOT better in that department, amongst others

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    It depends how you look at it.. WWE use the women for one thing these days and that's ratings, Even TNA has been getting the best ratings when the women have been on.

    The Indy's have some great women wrestlers the likes of Sara Del Ray, Daizee Haze and Rain are great wrestlers that can get it done in the ring.

    Then there gals like Lacey, Allison Danger and others who are superb managers. A manager role is a great place for the women in today's wrestling world and we have seen this in TNA and WWE, for eg. Traci Brooks, Christy Hemme and Jackie Moore. All but one of these women have failed in the wrestling part but made up in the manager part. Jackie can get it done when needed and is a bad ass .


    so what do i think of women in the wrestling world ? i think there needed, for ratings, Managers and good wrestlers..

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    I think a girl like Mickie James, Gail Kim, or Trish Stratus is where's it at.. I'm no fan of divas/knockouts who cannot perform the simplest of tasks in or out of the ring, but when a chick is HOT.. and can perform in promos and matches.. that's what is needed to generate these ratings and make women's wresting grow.. they can be looked up to as role models for young girls.

    Either that, or a girl like Awesome Kong who is just freaky with what she can do and hold her own with the men..


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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    I hate womens wrestling. It's a real "change the channel" moment for me.

    The absolute only womens matches I've ever enjoyed are the Awesome Kong-Gail Kim ones over the last six months or whatever.

    Even if it's Kong or Kim against someone else (say ODB or Roxxi or whoever) I then revert back to disliking it.

    Just something clicks and is awesome between those two.

    And that is all.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    I know this topic have not been getting any replys recently, but as a female wrestling fan I have to add my input.

    I think the problem with WWE is they really don't have any respect for women at all. The way women are portrayed on WWE and TNA are totally different and discouraging for the hardworking female wrestlers that bust that butts to learn their craft, only to see an escort, a playboy playmate, and/or a stripper take their spots.

    I mean come on. The length that these women have to go to keep their jobs is sickening. We talk about Trish Stratus, but believe it or not that lady their bust her ass to get to this point of her career, and deserves mad respect from everyone. In a recent interview on a TV show, I don't remember which one, but she stated how she didn't like the way she was being portrayed, so she trained hard and the rest is history.

    WWE has the money and potential to make women wrestling just as respectful as the men, but they choose not to. TNA would probably have done the same, but thank God for Dixie Carter, a powerful female in the wrestling business. If a small TNA can make their Knockout division good, imagine what the WWE could do, but choose not to.

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    The main problem with women wrestling is that there's never been any serious heroes in the WWE who has went on to World Wide Fame. If you look at Japanese women wrestling, they had some of those figures in The Crush Girls. Who did America really have that transcended wrestling into the mainstream like Andre or Jesse Ventura did?

    All American wrestling is influenced by the WWE. If they project women wrestling as a worthy thing, then other companies will follow. However, when has the WWE ever did that? The closest they really ever came was with Wendy Ritcher in the mid 80's. Ritcher was able to get some national exposure with Cindi Lauper. However, before the end of 1985, she was gone and women wrestling was just another random match in the WWF. By the the turn of the decade, the WWF just decided to do away with the women division all together. Time passes and women still aren't able to prove their importance. Finally, in 1994, the WWE signs Madusa to bring back the women division. She has a couple of good feuds against Bull Nakano and the very beginning of the Aja Kong feud. However, her main feud was against Bertha Faye. That just made the women division look like a gimmick division. Once Madusa leaves for WCW, the WWF once again goes without the division. In between 1995 and 1998 when the title was brought back, the divas were created. With the likes of Sunny, Marlena and Sable, no longer are women seen as anything other than T&A. To no surprise, once the division is brought back, it's pretty much a T&A title.

    In one boom period, you had a solid and respectable main woman in Wendy Ritcher. Suddenly, in the Attitude era, the main women are just T&A. The only woman who was somewhat of a role model was Lita. She was energetic, young, and flashy. She could entertain you in other ways than just showing her tits like Trish, BB, Terri or others. The problem though, is that Lita's biggest feature was showing her thong and she never really branched off into the mainstream like The Rock did. So week in and week out, fans are being told that the only thing women are good for is being half naked. You actually had a commentator keep talking about their breasts with a catchy name as Puppies. Screw the quality of matches, the only thing The King made seem important was the Puppies. How can ANY women match be taken serious?

    That was the last boom in wrestling. Until the next boom happens, fans will continue to think of women as nothing more than good for their T&A. So now, when you put on a quality womens match, you either get people changing the channel or showing zero interest. On the flip side, if you hold a bikini contest, fans will tune in. I believe it was the Melina/Beth match that scored less than the following week's bikini contest a month or so ago. That right there shows you how little womens wrestling is thought of.

    You may have companies like SHIMMER, trying to bring back the art of women wrestling, but until you can change the minds of the WWE fans, women wrestling in the US will always be nothing more than a bathroom break.

    The Attitude Era has been over for 7 years. Yet, Vince's choices in that era about women wrestling still has an effect today.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Quote Originally Posted by horrorfan_1986 View Post
    I believe it was the Melina/Beth match that scored less than the following week's bikini contest a month or so ago. That right there shows you how little womens wrestling is thought of.
    Nice of you to leave out the fact that the women are drawing better than most of the men. The segements featuring a Diva/Knockout match are usually the highest rated or not far off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    Nice of you to leave out the fact that the women are drawing better than most of the men. The segements featuring a Diva/Knockout match are usually the highest rated or not far off.
    Where in my entire post was I even talking about TNA? I was pointing out an obvious sign that fans care more about T&A than real women's wrestling.

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    Re: Women in Pro Wrestling

    Quote Originally Posted by horrorfan_1986 View Post
    Where in my entire post was I even talking about TNA? I was pointing out an obvious sign that fans care more about T&A than real women's wrestling.
    I don't think you can pin it all on wrestling fans. A lot of guys surfing the channels are going to stop on a bikini contest and leave it there..

    Women's wrestling in the WWE has grown a lot. They don't have many healthy divas right now who can work.. but they're trying. That bikini contest a few weeks back was the first time in a while I've seen the divas showing off their bodies instead of wrestling over the titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I don't think you can pin it all on wrestling fans. A lot of guys surfing the channels are going to stop on a bikini contest and leave it there..

    Women's wrestling in the WWE has grown a lot. They don't have many healthy divas right now who can work.. but they're trying. That bikini contest a few weeks back was the first time in a while I've seen the divas showing off their bodies instead of wrestling over the titles.
    I didn't really pin it on the fans. It all goes back to the wrestling company (for the most part the WWE). They kept projecting how women half naked was more important than talented women. The WWE tried to humiliate Molly Holly because she didn't fit the slutty type while they had a binkini contest every week on SD. It teaches the fans to not care about a straight up match.

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