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    Giants '77

    SF GIANTS '77



    IT'S A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME!

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    Re: Giants '77

    Let's try this again.

    The A's thread was just too time consuming.

    So, I've decided to create this new thread using the '77 SF Giants.

    There will be a whole new format for posting games in this thread.

    This new format should allow me to get through the entire season in timely fashion.

    Also, I will be writing a closing post for the A's thread on that thread detailing the two seasons I played using the '77 A's.
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    Re: Giants '77

    How the games will be played

    All SF Giants games will be played using the Strat-O-Matic Baseball board game using the 1977 season MLB player cards.

    I will be using a mix of Advanced/Super Advanced gameplay.

    All games will be played using the actual 1977 MLB schedule.

    All non-SF games will be played using a dice rolling system I created.

    How non-SF games will be determined

    All non-SF game results will be based on one roll of three six-sided die for each game during the '77 season. Standings will be based on these results plus the SOM results of the A's games.

    The better a team's actual record was in 1977, the more chances they have to win.

    The roll for each game will be based on whomever the home team is. If the roll falls within the window of their winning numbers then the home team wins the game. If it falls outside of those numbers the road team wins the game.

    Here are the each team's chances to win based on their actual '77 records:

    90-100+ Wins: 10 winning rolls

    Winning #'s:
    4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17

    Teams:
    LAD, NYY, BOS, BAL, KC, TEX, CWS, PHI, PIT

    -------------------------------------------------

    86-89 Wins: 9 winning rolls

    Winning #'s:
    3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17

    Team:
    CIN

    -------------------------------------------------

    80-85 Wins: 8 winning rolls

    Winning #'s:
    4, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 16, 18

    Teams:
    MIN, STL, CHC, HOU

    -------------------------------------------------

    70-79 Wins: 7 winning rolls

    Winning #'s: 5, 6, 9, 11, 14, 15, 18

    Teams:
    DET, CLE, CAL*, MON*

    -------------------------------------------------

    50-69 Wins: 6 winning rolls

    Winning #'s:
    4, 6, 9, 12, 15, 17

    Teams:
    SEA#, TOR#, MIL, NYM, SD, ATL

    -------------------------------------------------

    (* CAL = California Angels; MON = Montreal Expos)

    (# Seattle and Toronto were expansion teams.)

    (The Giants are not included in this list since I will be playing their games.)

    Non-SF games gameplay example: The Phillies are at the Cubs. The Cubs fall into the 80-85 actual win window for '77. The three die roll comes up 12. The Cubs win the game because it falls into the winning numbers for teams that won between 80-85 games that year. If the three die roll was 9 then the home team Cubs would lose because it falls outside their window of winning numbers.

    Hope that explains it.

    MORE TO COME...

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    Re: Giants '77



    1977 SF GIANTS INFO


    OPENING DAY ROSTER

    Owner
    Bob Lurie

    Manager
    Joe Altobelli

    Starting Pitchers
    Bob Knepper
    Ed Halicki
    Jim Barr
    John Montefusco
    Charlie Williams


    Bullpen
    Gary Lavelle (Closer)
    Randy Moffitt
    Terry Cornutt
    John Curtis
    Dave Heaverlo


    (* - Indicates starter.)

    Catchers
    Mike Sadek*
    Marc Hill
    Gary Alexander


    Infielders
    Willie McCovey (1B)*
    Rob Andrews (2B)*
    Tim Foli (SS)*
    Bill Madlock (3B)*
    Darrell Evans (1B/3B/OF)
    Vic Harris (2B/SS)


    Outfielders
    Gary Thomasson (LF/RF/1B)*
    Larry Herndon (CF)
    Derrell Thomas (LF/CF/RF)*
    Terry Whitfield (OF)
    Jack Clark (RF)*
    Randy Elliott (OF)


    Bay Area TV & Radio
    KTVU Ch. 2 (Independent)
    KSFO 560 AM


    Broadcasters
    TV: Lon Simmons & Gary Park
    Radio: Lon Simmons & Joe Angel


    Stadium
    Candlestick Park

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    Re: Giants '77



    SERIES PREVIEW


    San Francisco Giants @ Los Angeles Dodgers

    Thursday, April 7 & Friday & Saturday, April 9 & 10



    Dodger Stadium

    Head-To-Head Match-Ups: # shows which player has the advantage.

    Projected Pitching Match-Ups (Visitors listed on left side):

    Bob Knepper (LH) vs. Tommy John (LH)#
    Reason: Knepper is a solid lefty who will keep the Giants in a lot of games this season. John is simply one of the best pitchers in baseball.

    Ed Halicki (RH) vs. Don Sutton (RH)#
    Reason: Halicki could be a #1 starter on some teams. Good pitcher who brings the heat and can go on strikeout tears. Like Knepper, will keep the Giants in games. Halicki can also hit and occasionally clouts one. Also, decent speed for a pitcher on the basepaths. But, like with Tommy John, Sutton is one of the best in the business. Rock solid with a good ERA and goes deep into games. Sutton and John are devastating 1-2 punch.

    Jim Barr (RH) vs. Burt Hooton (RH)#
    Reason: Barr has consistency issues and tends to put lots of men on base and give up his share of runs. Can sometimes find himself behind the 8-ball early in games and the Giants can find themselves in a big hole right out of the gate. Hooton, while not quite Sutton or John, is in that next tier of pitchers in MLB. The master of the knuckle curve, when Hooton's signature pitch is biting he's a hard guy to hit. Sound pitcher who is just flat out better than Barr at this time.

    Projected Starting Line-Ups:


    * () Field position and batting side

    SF

    Derrell Thomas (CF - S)
    Rob Andrews (2B - R)
    Bill Madlock (3B - R)
    Willie McCovey (1B - L)
    Gary Thomasson (LF - L)
    Jack Clark (RF - R)
    Mike Sadek (C - R)
    Tim Foli (SS - R)

    LA

    Davey Lopes (2B - R)
    Bill Russell (SS - R)
    Dusty Baker (LF - R)
    Steve Garvey (1B - R)
    Reggie Smith (RF - S)
    Ron Cey (3B - R)
    Rick Monday (CF - L)
    Steve Yeager (C - R)

    Head-To-Head Match-Ups (# shows which player has the advantage)

    1B: Willie McCovey (SF) vs. Steve Garvey (LA)#
    Reason: Both men hit for average and power, though McCovey's average has tailed off in recent years. What separates them is Garvey's superior fielding whereas McCovey can be a bit of a liability in the field.

    2B: Rob Andrews (SF) vs. Davey Lopes (LA)#
    Reason: Lopes is a better hitter, one of the best base stealers in the game and a better second baseman then Andrews. Andrews is a decent hitter with minimal power, average speed and average glove work.

    SS: Tim Foli (SF) vs. Bill Russell (LA)#
    Reason: Both men are solid in the field, though Russell can have a scattershot arm at times. Russell wins the position battle because he's a much better hitter and baserunner.

    3B: Bill Madlock (SF) vs. Ron Cey (LA) - PUSH
    Reason: Madlock is a better hitter for average whereas Cey has better power numbers. Cey is also a sound defensive 3B whereas Madlock is average.

    LF: Gary Thomasson (SF) vs. Dusty Baker (LA)#
    Reason: Both men can hit the longball, but Baker is a better hitter average-wise and decent in the field whereas Thomasson can be a butcher with the glove.

    CF: Derrell Thomas (SF)# vs. Rick Monday (LA)
    Reason: Thomas is a solid centerfielder, good contact hitter, occasional power and good speed on the bases and in the field; he can track down balls Monday can't. Monday's a better power hitter and sound centerfielder, but he doesn't cover near as much ground as Thomas.

    RF: Jack Clark (SF) vs. Reggie Smith (LA)#
    Reason: Clark is a youngster who shows signs of being a future superstar. He has some pop at the plate and is decent in the field. Smith hits for average and power and can steal bases. He's also an excellent fielder with a great arm.

    C: Mike Sadek (SF) vs. Steve Yeager (LA)#
    Reason: Sadek is a good catcher with a slightly below average arm. Will hit in the mid-.200s and pop a few over the wall. Yeager is one of the best defensive catchers in the game with a stellar arm. Won't hit for high average but will put the ball in the bleachers and drive in runs. Case closed!

    VERDICT

    Pitchers: LA 3-0

    Position Players: LA 6-1-1
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    Re: Giants '77

    GAMES START TOMORROW!!!

    New format. Different from the time-consuming one I used with the A's.

    GIANTS FLASHBACK!

    From 1982: Giants 2B Joe Morgan eliminates the Dodgers with a 3-run homer on the last day of the regular season.

    Every pitch in the at-bat:

    https://youtu.be/I887fGKRvWI?t=8747

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    Re: Giants '77

    QUICK NOTES:

    I won't be posting daily non-SF game results in this thread like I did in the A's one.

    Instead, I'll be posting the standings periodically.

    I'll also be occasionally posting individual stats in the following categories: Runs/HR/RBI/Errors.

    Stolen bases will be listed as a team stat only.
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    Re: Giants '77

    Was typing out the first three games of the season and the post I was creating just vanished.

    Not in the mood to do it again today.

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    Re: Giants '77


    SEASON OPENING SERIES

    SF GIANTS vs. LA DODGERS

    GAME 1

    DODGER STADIUM - LOS ANGELES, CA

    GAME TIME: 1:05pm

    GAME TIME TEMP: 76

    CONDITIONS: Sunny w/ a slight breeze

    (1977 LA Dodgers roster: https://www.baseball-almanac.com/tea...p?y=1977&t=LAN)

    Giants roster listed in Post #4.

    DL/Transaction Report listed in Post #10.


    Starting Pitchers

    Bob Knepper vs. Tommy John

    Starting Line-ups

    SF

    Thomas CF
    Andrews 2B
    Madlock 3B
    McCovey 1B
    Thomasson LF
    Clark RF
    Sadek C
    Foli SS
    Knepper P


    LA

    Lopes 2B
    Russell SS
    Baker LF
    Garvey 1B
    Smith RF
    Cey 3B
    Monday CF
    Yeager C
    John P


    (Last three numbers are Runs/Hits/Errors)

    SF 000 012 003 - 6 11 3

    LA 016 100 03x - 11 14 0


    Bob Knepper allowed 7 runs, 6 earned, in 3 innings and the Dodgers took advantage of shoddy fielding by the Giants to score 4 unearned runs en route to an 11-6 win.

    STATS

    SF


    Hits: Andrews 3; Madlock 1; McCovey 1; Thomasson 1; Clark 2; Sadek 1; Foli 1; Alexander (PH) 1

    2B: Andrews 2; Foli 1

    HR: Thomasson

    R: Andrews; Madlock, Thomasson, Clark, Sadek and Foli 1 each

    RBI: Thomasson 2; Thomas, Andrews, Madlock and Foli 1 each

    Errors: Clark, Thomas, Andrews
    GIDP: 1
    Sac Fly: Thomasson

    PITCHING

    Knepper (L, 0-1) 3 IP/6 H/2 BB/6 ER

    Curtis 1 IP/1 H
    Cornutt 2 IP/1 H/1 BB/1 K
    Moffitt 2 IP/6 H/2 K/1 ER

    LA

    Hits: Lopes 1; Russell 2; Baker 1; Garvey 1; Smith 3; Cey 1; Monday 3; Yeager 2

    2B: Monday

    HR: Yeager

    R: Russell, Smith and Cey 2 each; Lopes, Baker, Garvey, Monday and Yeager 1 each

    RBI: Monday 3; Smith and Yeager 2 each; John and Garvey 1 each

    GIDP: 1
    Sac Fly: John

    PITCHING

    John (W) 8+ IP/10 H/2 BB/5 K/6 ER
    Sosa 1 IP/1 H/1 BB


    SF: 0-1 LA: 1-0

    ATTENDANCE:
    54,381 (Sellout)


    (Don't know if it's still done today, but in the past in MLB the NL counted attendance by the number of fans who came through the turnstyles and the AL counted by number of tickets sold.)


    **********************************************************

    GAME 2

    DODGER STADIUM - LOS ANGELES, CA

    GAME TIME: 7:30pm

    GAME TIME TEMP: 71

    CONDITIONS: CLEAR NIGHT

    Starting Pitchers

    Ed Halicki vs. Don Sutton


    Starting Line-ups

    SF

    Thomas CF
    Andrews 2B
    Madlock 3B
    Thomasson LF
    Evans 1B
    Clark RF
    Sadek C
    Foli SS
    Halicki P

    LA

    Lopes 2B
    Russell SS

    Baker LF
    Garvey 1B
    Smith RF
    Cey 3B
    Monday CF
    Yeager C
    Sutton P

    (Last three numbers are Runs/Hits/Errors)

    SF 000 000 230 - 5 11 1
    LA 300 002 001 - 6 7 1


    The Dodgers bolted out to a 5-0 lead but the Giants rallied to tie the game in the 8th on a two-run pinch hit homer by Willie McCovey. Reggie Smith scored the unearned winning run in the bottom of the 9th when a groundball skidded through 3B Bill Madlock's legs.

    STATS

    SF

    Hits: Andrews 1; Madlock 3; Evans 1; Sadek 2; Harris* 2; Halicki 1; McCovey (PH) 1

    2B: Evans; Sadek; Harris; Halicki

    HR: McCovey

    R: Sadek 2; Evans, Harris and Whitfield 1 each

    RBI: Madlock and McCovey 2 each; Sadek 1

    Errors: Madlock
    GIDP: 2
    Passed Ball: Sadek

    PITCHING

    Halicki 6 IP/5 H/2 BB/6 K/5 ER
    Heaverlo 1 IP/1 H
    Moffitt (L, 0-1) 1 IP/1 H/1 BB

    (* SS Tim Foli left the game in the 2nd inning with an injury and was replaced by Vic Harris.)


    LA

    Hits: Cey 3; Russell 2; Smith 1; Lacy (PH) 1

    2B: Smith

    HR: Baker

    R: Smith 3; Baker 2; Russell 1

    RBI: Smith 2; Baker and Garvey 1 each

    Errors: Cey
    GIDP: 1
    Sac Fly: Garvey

    PITCHING

    Sutton 6-2/3 IP/6 H/4 BB/3 K/2 ER

    Rautzhan 1/3 IP/1 H/1R
    Sosa 1 IP/2 H/1 K/2 ER
    Garman (W) 1 IP/2 H/1 K

    SF: 0-2 LA: 2-0

    ATTENDANCE: 34,678


    ************************************************

    GAME 3

    DODGER STADIUM - LOS ANGELES, CA

    GAME TIME: 1:05pm

    GAME TIME TEMP: 78

    CONDITIONS: Sunny w/ slight breeze

    Starting Pitchers

    Jim Barr vs. Burt Hooton

    Starting Line-ups


    SF

    Thomas CF
    Andrews 2B
    Evans 3B
    McCovey 1B
    Thomasson LF
    Clark RF
    Sadek C
    Harris SS
    Barr P

    LA

    Lopes 2B
    Russell SS
    Baker LF
    Garvey 1B
    Smith RF
    Cey 3B
    Monday CF
    Yeager C
    Sutton P

    (Last three numbers are Runs/Hits/Errors)


    SF 000 000 101 - 2 6 0
    LA 115 202 00x - 11 14 0


    The Dodgers got to Giants' starter Jim Barr for 7 runs in 3 innings and LA hit 3 bombs on the road to an 11-2 blowout. Burt Hooton went the distance for the Blue.

    STATS

    SF

    Hits: Evans, McCovey, Thomasson, Clark, Curtis (RP) and Herndon 1 each

    HR: Herndon

    R: Evans and McCovey 1 each

    RBI: Clark and Herndon 1 each

    PITCHING

    Barr (L, 0-1) 3 IP/9 H/1 BB/2 K/7 ER
    Curtis 3 IP/6 H/2 K/4 ER
    Heaverlo 2 IP/2 K

    LA

    Hits: Lopes, Baker and Garvey 3 each; Russell and Yeager 2 each; Cey and Monday 1 each

    2B: Garvey and Yeager 1 each

    HR: Lopes, Monday and Baker

    R: Lopes, Russell, Baker and Garvey 2 each; Cey, Monday and Yeager 1 each

    RBI: Monday and Garvey 3 each; Lopes and Cey 2 each; Baker 1

    PITCHING

    Hooton (W) 9 IP/6 H/3 BB/7 K/2 ER

    SF: 0-3 LA: 3-0

    ATTENDANCE: 38,459


    LA sweeps series
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    Re: Giants '77

    DL/ROSTER MOVES

    4/9: SS Foli (SF) out 4 games (3-6)

    4/12: 2B Champion (SD) out 2 games (6-7)

    4/14: C Hill (SF) out 6 games (7-12)

    4/14: 1B McCovey (SF) out 3 games (7-9)

    4/17: CF Thomas (SF) out 5 games (10-14)

    4/17: 1B/OF Evans out 2 games (10-11)

    4/19: 2B Howe (HOU) out 60 games (11-70)


    4/20: CF Herndon (SF) out 1 game (12)

    4/20: C/OF Alexander (SF) out 4 games (12-15)

    4/24: P Halicki (SF) out 15 games (15-29)

    5/11: OF Thomas (SF) out 6 games (30-35)

    5/14: 1B Willie McCovey (SF) out 1 game (33)

    5/14: OF Larry Herndon (SF) out 3 games (33-35)

    5/19: OF Larry Herndon (SF) out 6 games (37-42)

    5/19: C Mike Sadek (SF) out 8 games (37-44)

    5/20: Signed FA OF Rusty Torres

    5/25: P Jim Barr (SF) out 2 games (42-43)

    5/30: OF Derrell Thomas (SF) out 5 games (47-51)

    6/1: 1B Willie McCovey (SF) out 1 game (49)

    6/17: 2B Rib Andrews (SF) out 5 games (65-69)

    6/18: INF/OF Vic Harris (SF) out 3 games (66-68)

    6/18: 1B Willie Stargell (PIT) out 6 games (60-65)

    6/19: C Mike Sadek (SF) out 3 games (67-69)

    6/19: 3B Bill Madlock (SF) out 4 games (67-70)

    6/19: OF Al Oliver (PIT) out 8 games (61-68)

    6/20: C George Mitterwald (CHC) out 3 games (62-64)

    6/25: C Marc Hill (SF) out 10 games (74-83)

    6/29: C Mike Sadek (SF) out 6 games (78-83)

    6/30: Signed FA C Larry Cox

    7/7: Activated C's Marc Hill and Mike Sadek (SF)

    7/7: Optioned C Larry Cox and P John Curtis (SF) to AAA Phoenix

    7/10: OF Gary Matthews (ATL) out 8 games (86-93)

    7/10: C Mike Sadek (SF) out 3 games (89-91)

    7/15: 1B Willie McCovey (SF) out 10 games (93-102)

    7/15: C Joe Nolan (ATL) out 10 games (89-98)

    7/15: SF recalled OF Rusty Torres from AAA

    7/17: OF Derrell Thomas (SF) out 5 games (95-99)
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    Re: Giants '77

    SERIES ATTENDANCE

    Series 1 (3 games) @ LA - Total Attendance: 127,518 - Avg: 42,506

    Series 2 (3 games) @ SD - Total Attendance: 54,054 - Avg: 18,018

    Series 3 (3 games) vs. LA - Total Attendance: 77,795 - Avg: 25,932

    Series 4 (2 games) @ HOU - Total Attendance: 20.760 - Avg: 10,380

    Series 5 (3 games) @ MTL - Total Attendance: 30,405 - Avg: 10,135

    Series 6 (3 games) vs. HOU - Total Attendance: 17,226 - Avg: 5,742

    Series 7 (3 games) vs. PHI - Total Attendance: 41,616 - Avg: 13,872

    Series 8 (3 games) vs. MTL - Total Attendance: 14,313 - Avg: 4,771

    Series 9 (4 games/3 dates) vs. NYM - Total Attendance: 40,198 - Avg: 13,399

    Series 10 (3 games) @ PHI - Total Attendance 52,300 - Avg: 17,433

    Series 11 (3 games) @ CIN - Total Attendance: 103,942 - Avg: 34,647

    Series 12 (3 games) @ NYM - Total Attendance: 48,576 - Avg: 16,192

    Series 13 (4 games) @ STL - Total Attendance: 93,836 - Avg: 23,459

    Series 14 (2 games) vs. CIN - Total Attendance: 19,769 - Avg: 9,885

    Series 15 (3 games) vs.ATL - Total Attendance: 36,000 - Avg: 12,000

    Series 16 (4 games) vs. SD - Total Attendance: 22,496 - Avg: 5,624

    Series 17 (4 games/3 dates) @ ATL - Total Attendance: 37,203 - Avg: 12,401

    Series 18 (3 games) @ PIT - Total Attendance: 55,247 - Avg: 18,416

    Series 19 (4 games) @ CHC - Total Attendance: 75,396 - Avg: 18,849

    Series 20 (3 games) vs. STL - Total Attendance: 20,429 - Avg: 6,810

    Series 21 (4 games/3 dates) vs. PIT - Total Attendance: 24,957 - Avg: 8,319

    Series 22 (3 games) vs. CHC - Total Attendance: 36,879 - Avg: 12,293

    Series 23 (4 games/3 dates) @ HOU - Total Attendance: 90,136 - Avg: 30,045

    Series 24 (4 games) @ CIN - Total Attendance: 137,852 - Avg: 34,463

    Series 25 (4 games) vs. LA - Total Attendance: 88,886 - Avg: 22,222

    Series 26 (2 games) vs. SD - Total Attendance: 19,248 - Avg: 9,624

    Series 27 (4 games/3 dates) vs. ATL - Total Attendance: 36,236 - Avg: 12,079

    Series 28 (3 games) @ SD - Total Attendance: 26,864 - Avg: 8,955

    Series 29 (3 games) @ ATL - Total Attendance: 39,437 - Avg: 13,146
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    Re: Giants '77



    SERIES PREVIEW


    SF GIANTS (0-3) VS. SAN DIEGO PADRES (2-2)

    APRIL 12-14




    JACK MURPHY STADIUM - SAN DIEGO, CA


    Head-To-Head Match-Ups: # shows which player has the advantage.

    Projected Staring Pitching Match-Ups (Visitors listed on the left-hand side)

    John Montefusco (RH)# vs. Bob Owchinko (LH)
    Reason: Montefusco is a solid pitcher who can give you innings and when he's on he's tough to beat. Owchinko gives up more than a hit per inning, has a wild streak and walks a few batters and is susceptible to giving up the longball.

    Bob Knepper (LH)# vs. Randy Jones (LH)
    Reason: Jones is a crafty lefty who won't strike out many but has excellent, almost pinpoint, control. Like Owchinko, can be prone to giving up homers and also allows more than a hit per inning. Knepper is much better than his showing on opening day in L.A.. Has good stuff and control but is prone to an occasional bout of wildness. Gives up the occasional homer and allows less than a hit an inning.

    Fun fact: In 1975-76, Randy Jones won a combined 42 games and pitched 600.1 innings.

    Ed Halicki (RH)# vs. Bob Shirley (LH)
    Reason: Halicki is a solid starter. Pretty good strikeout pitcher. Allows less than a hit an inning. Good control. Won't walk too many. Can serve up the longball more than a manager would like. Shirley gives up a hit per inning and the free pass quite a bit and also will allow his share of round-trippers.

    Projected Starting Line-Ups

    SF

    Derrell Thomas (CF - S)
    Rob Andrews (2B - R)
    Bill Madlock (3B - R)
    Willie McCovey (1B - L)
    Gary Thomasson (LF - L)
    Jack Clark (RF - R)
    Mike Sadek (C - R)
    Vic Harris (SS - S)*

    (* Replacing the injured Tim Foli.)

    SD

    Gene Richards (LF - L)
    Bill Almon (SS - R)
    Gene Tenace (C - R)
    George Hendrick (CF - R)
    Dave Winfield (RF - R)
    Mike Ivie (1B - R)
    Mike Champion (2B - R)
    Tucker Ashford (3B - R)

    Head-To-Head Match-Ups

    1B: Willie McCovey (SF) vs. Mike Ivie (SD) - PUSH
    Reason: McCovey has power and can hit for average but is a below average first baseman. Ivie can hit for average, has occasional power but will drive in his share of runs. Excellent in the field.

    2B: Rob Andrews (SF)# vs. Mike Champion (SD)
    Reason: Andrews is a decent hitter with little to no power and is fair with the glove. Champion is an average fielder but doesn't produce much with the stick.

    SS: Vic Harris (SF) vs. Bill Almon (SD)#
    Reason: Both men are decent hitters. Harris has decent speed but Almon is a good baserunner with speed. Almon will swipe a fair share of bases. Almon is an above average shortstop where Harris, filling for the injured Tim Foli, is a butcher in the field.

    3B: Bill Madlock (SF)# vs. Tucker Ashford (SD)
    Reason: Madlock is an excellent hitter with some pop and average glove work. Ashford seems to be holding down the fort at third for the Padres until a better option comes along. Ashford is a below average glove with no real power or speed on the basepaths and a below average hitter. Madlock vs. Ashford = CASE CLOSED!

    LF: Gary Thomasson (SF) vs. Gene Richards (SD)#
    Reason: Thomasson can hit with power and will give you numbers and is a mid-.200s hitter but is a complete disaster in the field. Richards is an excellent hitter with a good eye who can also draw quite a few walks. Excellent speed. One of the the best base stealers and baserunners in the sport. Below average with the glove.

    CF: Derrell Thomas (SF) vs. George Hendrick (SD)#
    Reason: Thomas is a solid hitter and good lead-off man. Has occasion power, good speed and can steal bases. A rock solid fielder who can cover a lot of ground. Thomas is also the master of the cringe-inducing (for his managers at least) basket catch. Hendrick is a .300-level hitter with power and a stellar centerfielder.

    RF: Jack Clark (SF) vs. Dave Winfield (SD)#
    Reason: Clark has a lot of potential and a serious upside. Shows signs of hitting for power and has a good eye at the plate. Needs to work on his fielding. Winfield, simply put, is one of the best players in the game. An excellent outfielder with one of the strongest throwing arms in MLB. Winfield can do it all at the plate: hit for average, power, drive in a boatload of runs, draw walks and is outstanding on the basepaths. Excellent base stealer for a man his size.

    C: Mike Sadek (SF) vs. Gene Tenace (SD)#
    Sadek is a below average hitter. Good defensive catcher but has a below average throwing arm; you can run on him. Veteran Tenace won't win any Silver Slugger awards, but has a lot of power and can drive in runs. Average to below average behind the plate and not a strong arm. Tenace gets the nod because of what he can do at the plate power and RBI-wise.

    VERDICT

    Pitchers: SD 3-0

    Position Players: SD 5-2-1

    *****************************

    DL/Roster Moves: Post #10
    Series by Series Attendance:
    Post #11
    SF Giants roster:
    Post #4
    How non-SF Giant games are decided during the '77 season:
    Post #3
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    Seems like the 1977 Giants are pretty shit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    Seems like the 1977 Giants are pretty shit.
    LOL! They got a off to a rough start alright.

    But if you look at the Dodger player cards from that year, they were a total beast offensively. Hitters 3-8 could all hit with some serious power.

    The Giants actually had pretty good starting pitching and some decent relief pitchers that year and had a pretty solid line-up hitters 1-6.

    But their fielding's terrible to say the least.

    I intend to finish the whole season: good, bad or ugly.

    Stick around and see what happens.

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    1977 Padres roster: 1977 San Diego Padres Roster by Baseball Almanac (baseball-almanac.com)

    SERIES #2


    SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS vs. SAN DIEGO PADRES

    APRIL 12-14

    JACK MURPHY STADIUM - SAN DIEGO, CA

    GAME #1
    (Tuesday - April 12)

    GAME TIME
    1:05pm

    GAME TIME TEMP:
    72

    CONDITIONS:
    Mostly Sunny


    Starting Pitchers


    John Montefusco vs. Bob Owchinko

    Starting Line-Ups

    SF

    Thomas CF
    Andrews 2B
    Madlock 3B
    McCovey 1B
    Thomasson LF
    Clark RF
    Sadek C
    Harris SS

    SD

    Richards LF
    Almon SS
    Tenace C
    Hendrick CF
    Winfield RF
    Ivie 1B
    Champion 2B
    Ashford 3B

    (Last three numbers: Runs/Hits/Errors)

    SF 001 200 010 - 4 11 0
    SD 100 200 000 - 3 6 0


    RF Jack Clark hit an eighth inning tie-breaking homer to propel the Giants to their first win of the season by a final score of 4-3.

    STATS

    SF

    HITTING

    Hits: Harris 3; Sadek , Thomas, Andrews, Madlock, McCovey, Thomasson and Clark 1 each

    HR: Clark

    R: Andrews, Clark, Sadek and Harris 1 each

    RBI: Andrews, Thomasson and Clark 1 each

    Sac Fly: Andrews

    PITCHING

    Montefusco (W, 1-0) 7 IP/5 H/4 BB/5 K/3 ER
    Heaverlo 1 IP/1 K
    Lavelle S, 1 1 IP/1 H2 K

    SD

    HITTING

    Hits: Richards, Almon, Tenace, Winfield, Owchinko, Rettenmund

    2B: Owchinko

    3B: Tenace

    R: Almon, Ivie and Ashford 1 each

    RBI: Richards 2; Tenace; 1

    PITCHING

    Owchinko 6 IP/9 H/2 BB/3 K/3 ER
    Tomlin (L) 2 IP/1 H/2 K/1 ER
    Fingers 1 IP/1 H/2 BB

    (* SD 2B Mike Champion left game with injury. Was replaced by Dave Roberts.)

    SF: 1-3 SD: 2-3

    ATTENDANCE: 34,103 (SD Home Opener)


    ****************************************

    GAME 2 (Wednesday - April 13)

    GAME TIME:
    7:30pm

    GAME TIME TEMP:
    68

    CONDITIONS:
    Clear Night


    Starting Pitchers

    Bob Knepper vs. Randy Jones

    Starting Line-Ups

    SF

    Thomas CF
    Andrews 2B
    Madlock 3B
    McCovey 1B
    Thomasson LF
    Clark RF
    Sadek C
    Harris SS

    SD

    Richards LF
    Almon SS
    Tenace C
    Hendrick CF
    Winfield RF
    Ivie 1B
    Roberts 2B
    Ashford 3B

    (Last three numbers: Runs/Hits/Errors)

    SF 000 000 000 - 0 7 0
    SD 001 030 000 - 4 8 0


    Randy Jones scattered 7 hits on his way to a complete game shoutout of the Giants. CF George Hendrick blasted a 3-run HR for the main offense of the night.

    STATS

    SF

    HITTING

    Hits: Thomasson 2; Thomas, Andrews, Madlock, Harris and Knepper 1 each

    2B: Madlock

    PITCHING

    Knepper (L, 0-2) 5 IP/6 H/5 BB/3 K/4 ER
    Cornutt 2 IP/1 H
    Williams 1 IP/1 H

    GIDP: 1

    SD

    HITTING

    Hits: Richards and Almon 2 each; Hendrick, Ivie, Roberts and Ashford 1 each

    2B: Almon and Ivie

    3B: Richards

    HR: Hendrick

    R: Richards, Tenace, Hendrick and Ashford 1 each

    RBI: Hendrick 3; Almon 1

    SB: Almon

    PITCHING

    Jones (W, CG) 9 IP/6 H/3 K/0 ER

    SF: 1-4 SD: 3-3

    ATTENDANCE: 11,607

    **********************************************

    GAME 3 (Thursday - April 14)

    GAME TIME:
    12:35pm

    GAME TIME TEMP:
    73

    CONDITIONS:
    Sunny w/ a slight breeze


    Starting Pitchers

    Ed Halicki vs. Bob Shirley

    Starting Line-Ups

    SF

    Thomas CF
    Andrews 2B
    Madlock 3B
    McCovey 1B
    Evans LF
    Clark RF
    Hill C
    Harris SS

    SD

    Richards LF
    Almon SS
    Tenace C
    Hendrick CF
    W infield RF
    Ivie 1B
    Roberts 2B
    Ashford 3B

    (Last 3 numbers: Runs/Hits/Errors)

    SF 000 021 000 - 3 7 1
    SD 300 101 20x - 7 12 3

    CF George Hendrick hit a three-run blast for the second straight day and the Padres bullpen pitched 3-1/3 innings of shutout baseball to lead the Padres to a 7-3 victory over the Giants.

    STATS

    SF

    HITTING

    Hits: Andrews 3; Madlock, Sadek*, Harris and Herndon 1 each

    HR: Herndon

    R: Andrews, Harris and Herndon 1 each

    RBI: Herndon 2

    PITCHING

    Halicki (L, 0-1) 4 IP/3 H/4 BB/4 K/3 ER
    Heaverlo 1 IP/1 H/2 K
    Moffitt 1-1/3 IP/5 H/1 BB/3 ER
    Cornutt 1-2/3 IP/3 H/1 BB/2 K

    Error: Cornutt
    GIDP: 2
    Passed Ball: Hill

    (* C Hill and 1B McCovey left the game with injuries. Sadek replaced Hill and Thomasson replaced McCovey.)

    SD

    HITTING

    Hits: Ivie 4; Roberts and Hendrick 2 each; Richards, Tenace, Winfield and Ashford 1 each

    HR: Hendrick

    R: Ivie 3; Hendrick 2; Richards and Tenace 1 each

    RBI: Hendrick 3; Roberts and Scanlon (PH) 1 each

    Errors: Ashford 2, Roberts
    SB: Richards

    PITCHING

    Shirley (W) 5-2/3 IP/6 H/2 BB/4 K/2 ER
    Spillner 1/3 IP/1 H
    Tomlin 2 IP/1 BB
    Fingers 1 IP/1 BB

    SF: 1-5 SD: 4-3

    ATTENDANCE: 8,344

    SD wins series 2-1

    DL/Roster Moves:
    Post #10
    Series by Series Attendance:
    Post #11
    SF Giants roster:
    Post #4
    How non-SF Giant games are decided during the '77 season:
    Post #3
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    (*Giants-Padres series results now posted in Post #15.)

    SF GIANTS TRIVIA!


    You'll have to look up the answer!

    What was the Giants first year in San Francisco?

    A - 1958

    B - 1959

    C - 1960

    D - 1961

    E - 2001: A Space Odyssey

    Good luck!
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    (NOTE: I'm dropping the head-to-head matchups in the series previews because they get redundant and are too time-consuming.)


    SERIES PREVIEW

    LOS ANGELES DODGERS
    (6-0) vs. SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS (1-5)

    FRIDAY - SUNDAY - APRIL 15-17



    CANDLESTICK PARK - SAN FRANCISCO, CA

    GIANTS HOME OPENING SERIES!

    (The Giants actually had crappy astro turf back then but this pic was too great a shot of the 'Stick to pass up!)

    Projected Pitching Match-ups (Visitors listed on the left-hand side)

    4/15: Burt Hooton vs. Jim Barr

    4/16: Rick Rhoden vs. John Montefusco

    4/17: Doug Rau vs. Bob Knepper

    Projected Starting Line-ups

    LA

    Davey Lopes 2B
    Bill Russell SS
    Dusty Baker LF
    Steve Garvey 1B
    Reggie Smith CF
    Ron Cey 3B
    Rick Monday CF
    Steve Yeager C

    SF

    Derrell Thomas CF
    Rob Andrews 2B
    Bill Madlock 3B
    Darrell Evans 1B
    Gary Thomasson LF
    Jack Clark RF
    Mike Sadek C
    Tim Foli SS
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    1977 LA Dodgers roster: 1977 Los Angeles Dodgers Roster by Baseball Almanac (baseball-almanac.com)

    SERIES #3


    LOS ANGELES DODGERS vs. SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS

    APRIL 15-17

    CANDLESTICK PARK - SAN FRANCISCO, CA


    GAME #1 (Friday - April 15)

    GAME TIME:
    1:05pm

    GAME TIME TEMP:
    70

    CONDITIONS:
    Mostly sunny w/ a gentle breeze


    Starting Pitchers

    Burt Hooton (LA) vs. Jim Barr (SF)

    Starting Line-ups

    LA

    Davey Lopes 2B
    Bill Russell SS
    Dusty Baker LF
    Steve Garvey 1B
    Reggie Smith CF
    Ron Cey 3B
    Rick Monday CF
    Steve Yeager C

    SF

    Derrell Thomas CF
    Rob Andrews 2B
    Bill Madlock 3B
    Darrell Evans 1B
    Gary Thomasson LF
    Jack Clark RF
    Mike Sadek C
    Tim Foli SS

    (Last three numbers: Runs/Hits/Errors)

    LA 044 000 011 - 10 10 1
    SF 000 000 000 - 0 3 2


    Jim Barr had another less-than-stellar outing as he was roughed up for 5 runs in 2+ innings as the Dodgers wrecked the Giants home opener with a 10-0 rout of the orange and black. Steve Yeager, Davey Lopes and Reggie Smith all went deep for the victors and Burt Hooton went the distance for the victors.

    STATS

    LA

    BATTING


    Hits: Lopes, Russell, Smith and Yeager 2 each; Baker and Hooton 1 each

    2B: Hooton

    HR: Yeager, Lopes and Smith

    R: Lopes, Smith, Yeager and Hooton 2 each; Cey and Monday 1 each

    RBI: Lopes and Yeager 3 each; Russell, Smith and Hooton 1 each

    Errors: Lopes
    Sac Fly: Lopes

    PITCHING

    Hooton (W, CG) 9 IP/3 H/3 BB/7 K/0 ER

    SF

    BATTING

    Hits: Thomas, Andrews and Foli 1 each

    2B: Foli

    Errors: Madlock, Andrews
    GIDP: 2

    PITCHING

    Barr (L, 0-2) 2+ IP/5 H/3 BB/0 K/5 ER
    Curtis 1 IP/2 H/2BB/1 K/3 ER
    Williams 5 IP/2 H/2 BB/6 K
    Moffitt 1 IP/1 H/1 ER

    LA: 7-0 SF: 1-6

    ATTENDANCE: 48,268 (SF Home Opener)

    ******************************************************

    GAME #2 (Saturday - April 16)

    GAME TIME:
    7:00pm

    GAME TIME TEMP:
    64

    CONDITIONS:
    Overcast and windy


    Starting Pitchers

    Rick Rhoden (LA) vs. John Montefusco (SF)

    Starting Line-ups

    LA

    Davey Lopes 2B
    Bill Russell SS
    Dusty Baker LF
    Steve Garvey 1B
    Reggie Smith CF
    Ron Cey 3B
    Rick Monday CF
    Steve Yeager C

    SF

    Derrell Thomas CF
    Rob Andrews 2B
    Bill Madlock 3B
    Darrell Evans
    1B
    Gary Thomasson LF
    Jack Clark RF
    Mike Sadek C
    Tim Foli SS

    (Last three numbers: Runs/ Hits/Errors)

    LA 110 010 200 - 5 10 0
    SF 000 000 010 - 1 5 0


    The Dodgers continued their early season dominance of the Giants with a 5-1 win. Rick Rhoden went the distance allowing only 1 run on 5 hits. John Montefusco took the loss for the Giants, going 4+ innings and allowing 3 runs on 8 hits and also allowing 3 walks.

    STATS

    LA

    BATTING

    Hits: Garvey 3; Russell 2; Baker, Smith, Monday, Yeager and Rhoden 1 each

    2B: Yeager

    3B: Garvey

    R: Russell, Baker, Garvey, Smith and Yeager 1 each

    RBI: Monday 2; Smith, Cey and Rhoden 1 each

    Sac Fly: Cey

    PITCHING

    Rhoden (W, CG) 9 IP/5 H/2 BB/5 K/1 ER

    SF

    BATTING

    Hits: Thomas 2; Andrews, Evans and Whitfield (PH) 1 each

    2B: Andrews and Whitfield

    R: Whitfield

    RBI: Thomas

    PITCHING

    Montefusco (L, 1-1) 4+ IP/8 H/3 BB/5 K/3 ER
    Heaverlo 4 IP/2 H/2 BB/2 K/2 ER
    Lavelle 1 IP/1 K

    LA: 8-0 SF: 1-7

    ATTENDANCE: 12,695

    *************************************************

    GAME #3 (Sunday - April 17)

    GAME TIME:
    1:05 pm

    GAME TIME TEMP:
    66

    CONDITIONS:
    Overcast w/ a stiff breeze


    Starting Pitchers
    Doug Rau (LA) vs. Bob Knepper (SF)

    Starting Line-ups

    LA

    Davey Lopes 2B
    Bill Russell SS
    Dusty Baker LF
    Steve Garvey 1B
    Reggie Smith CF
    Ron Cey 3B
    Rick Monday CF
    Steve Yeager C

    SF

    Derrell Thomas* CF
    Rob Andrews 2B
    Darrell Evans* 1B
    Bill Madlock 3B
    Gary Thomasson LF

    Jack Clark RF
    Mike Sadek C
    Tim Foli SS

    (Last three numbers: Runs/Hits/Errors)

    LA 000 000 000 - 0 5 1
    SF 000 100 000 - 1 2 2


    Terry Whitfield, who came in for the injured Darrell Evans, scored on a fielding error by Dodgers SS Bill Russell and Bob Knepper and closer Gary Lavelle made the unearned run stand up for a 1-0 victory. It's the Giants first win of the season vs. LA.

    STATS

    BATTING

    LA

    Hits: Smith 2; Russell, Garvey and Monday 1 each

    2B: Garvey

    Errors: Russell
    SB: Lopes

    PITCHING

    Rau (L) 6 IP/2 H/1 BB/4 K/0 ER
    Garman 2 IP/1 K

    SF

    BATTING

    Hits: Madlock and Clark

    R: Whitfield

    RBI: Run scored on an error

    Errors: Andrews, Foli

    PITCHING

    Knepper (W, 1-1) 8 IP/4 H/4 BB/3K/0 ER
    Lavelle (S, 2) 1 IP/1 H/1 BB/1 K/0 ER

    (* 1B Darrell Evans and CF Derrell Thomas left the game with injuries.)

    LA: 8-1 SF: 2-7

    ATTENDANCE: 16,832

    QUICK NOTES: The Giants ended the Dodgers 8-game win streak to start the season.

    The Giants had a total of 10 hits for the entire series and scored 2 runs total, only 1 earned.

    LA wins series 2-1

    DL/Roster Moves: Post #10
    Series by Series Attendance:
    Post #11
    SF Giants roster:
    Post #4
    How non-SF Giant games are decided during the '77 season:
    Post #3
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    SERIES PREVIEW


    SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS @ HOUSTON ASTROS