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    All Elite Wrestling Who's Watching AEW?

    I'm not sure how many of you will remember me from many many moons ago, but I was fairly active on here around 2009-2012 before my love of wrestling dwindled. Since 2016, I've been a casual fan until recently deciding to subscribe to the WWE Network (Shock, horror!) and watching some old shows.

    I watched Double Or Nothing last year and was impressed with Dustin/Cody and the debut of JM. When Dynamite first started airing, I wasn't impressed with Tony/JR combo on commentary because it sounded like two old guys reminiscing about the good old days, but I enjoyed the wrestling and discovering new characters. The roster definitely has a massive amount of potential including MJF, Jungle Boy, Brian Cage, Luke Harper, Darby Allen etc etc etc.

    Since returning to WC recently, I've noticed a very underwhelming amount of posts in the AEW section. Are you watching the show? Or are you steering clear? To spark a debate, what's your favourite/least favourite thing about AEW?




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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    I enjoy AEW a lot, with all of its many, many flaws, though I acknowledge that part of it is because it feels very "not-WWE" to me.

    For me currently, AEW lacks a bit of variety in the ring, it sometimes feels like everyone can do everything, and it ruins the fun. Also, the reffing, from a selling perspective is awful. Every tag match seems to have unlimited time with both partners in, sometimes count outs happen sometimes they don't. I just wish it were cleaner on that front.

    Oh and their recent trend of announcing a title match then having a title match between that time and the announced match is just weird, and seems so easy to avoid, but lately they can't.

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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    I keep up with AEW more-so than any other wrestling related company. My interest for wrestling has spiralled downwards for the past few years now, with AEW being really the only thing to re-spark any care I had about it. I mean how can you not lose interest after bearing through the dreadful product WWE put forth from '07 and onwards. AEW was the first thing since TNA that actually had me hooked. I even road tripped from Toronto to Chicago to go watch All Out and it was an absolute blast, would definitely travel again. However, COVID kinda just took me out of wrestling in general at the moment. It's just not the same. I'll watch highlights here and there, but I get sad thinking about how cool Revival's debut could have been with a crowd, same with Cage's & Brodie's. I still think they're putting on pretty solid stuff, but I've found other ways to keep myself busy this pandemic and allocate my spare time towards other stuff to watch.

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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    AEW is the first company I've ever watched weekly, religiously, that wasn't a WWE product. I think that probably says where I am as a fan in relation to wrestling and for the first time ever, I am open to an alternative,

    Now here lies the problem for me.

    I do like AEW, and I enjoy most things they do.. My issue, I never feel like I'm watching an alternative. It often comes across to me a company doing 'WWE' so to speak, their way. Sometimes it's better, sometimes I think it's worse, and that's the issue for me with All Elite Wrestling. I just don't think it's turned out to be, what it was presented it was going to be.


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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    One of the themes I wanted to explore was; Has AEW's apparent success been as a result of WWE's weaknesses or their own positives? Are we simply watching AEW because they're an alternative (Or "better") than WWE?




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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    I'm actually a bit confused about AEW. I mean, I really want to like it and the production, crowds and arenas are great, BUT...I'm already sick of it being the Cody/Dustin/Omega/Young Bucks show. At the last PPV every single one of them won their matches, and the (predictable) winning of the (terrible looking) TNT belt was made to be a bigger deal than the so-called top strap!
    The womens division, apart from Britt Baker, is devoid of personality; the tag division has relegated the Lucha Bros and (the former) LAX into mediocrity with the Butcher & the Blade being the divisions jobbers and we're seeing Dusty Runnell's old mates being trotted out as "managers". Throw in that we get 7,000 tope suicida's or super-kicks each week and it is in serious danger of becoming bland and formulaic :-(
    I've never been in favour of active wrestlers being on the booking team, it didn't work with Shane McMahon/HHH/anyone-in-the-McMahon-family or Jeff Jarrett and it isn't likely to work with Cody et al, especially when Cody and Dustin are realistically only midcard talent. I'm on the fence with Omega but I find the Young Bucks as threatening as a pair of kittens. The least said about Brandi the better...
    Jericho, on the other hand, is gold with everything he does while MJF, Orange Cassidy, Darby Allin and others have real potential IF they are allowed to show it. I do find, however, that the commentary team is poor as well. I like a 3 man team but Jim & Tony just don't seem to have any chemistry - in Cody's defence, he is excellent on commentary - as is Jericho, so maybe some younger blood is needed there?

    I don't find that AEW has it's own identity yet. They are very much WWE-Lite at the moment and they need to do something different. The ranking system is good - if used properly, but note that Brian Cage has a title shot despite only being in the company 2 minutes (the benefits of being Omega's mate I guess)

    I will continue to watch Dynamite (with huge chunks on fast forward) but the day we get Jake Roberts, DDP, Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard teaming up to face Cody, Dustin and the Young Bucks in a PPV main event is the day I switch off forever (and that idea isn't as impossible as it should be)

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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    I'm as worried about the old timers teaming up to face The Elite as I am about Marko Stunt growing 2ft taller overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marketh View Post
    I'm as worried about the old timers teaming up to face The Elite as I am about Marko Stunt growing 2ft taller overnight.
    You have that reoccurring nightmare too?

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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    One of the themes I wanted to explore was; Has AEW's apparent success been as a result of WWE's weaknesses or their own positives? Are we simply watching AEW because they're an alternative (Or "better") than WWE?
    The think the answer is simply because its an alternative. This also due to the fact its still really early to tell. I ve already tuned out of AEW personally.
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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    You have that reoccurring nightmare too?
    Of an Andre-sized Marko wrestling a Marko-sized Andre in a Bodyslam Challenge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diksting
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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    I don't feel like I'm wasting time watching the shows. It's usual an easy watch with a few decent matches almost every week. The feuds are usually good and have satifying conclusions. It's a decent weekly show with a solid roster that blends new-ish guys that most of the audience has likely never seen with familar faces. I haven't really been that captivated by anything in particular, except maybe PAC, but it's an okay show. The same applied to both empty arena era and full crowd shows, but I can see how the fomer has affected their plans so everything just feels samey and careful. I suspspect once things return to normal that more effort, and thus more buzz for the shows, will increase accordingly.

    And part of the first reasons for their success was definitely "they aren't WWE" as well as the popularity of the Elite. But I think as they've progressed, people have just been into the shows and feuds. Solid wrestling on a weekly basis is going to create some success.

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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    I like MC's point. "I don't feel like I'm wasting time watching the shows".

    This is a big positive for AEW imo because typically they give you a fun and entertaining two hours of Dynamite. Granted, there are times in this COVID era where they've phoned it in some or had to work with half a deck or whatever. But even so, it's interesting to watch a company grow from the ground up, introduce fresh concepts, bring back some concepts that have been lost to time, have successes and failures, highlight new talent and all that good jazz. Even when AEW fails, at times, it's endearing in a way, because it's a reminder that while this is a major mainstream wrestling company, they are not overly corporatized and robotic like WWE feels.

    AEW also has far, far, far, far, far better storytelling and pacing than WWE does. Their schedule helps that a lot. They aren't forced to try to book some kind of blood feud in the span of 3 weeks because they have 15 PPVs a year, like WWE does (although AEW is guilty of throwing some things together last minute as well). And another thing they do well is the intermingling of talents. Whereas it can sometimes feel like all feuds in WWE exist within a bubble nowadays, you can see any AEW star interact with another, on any given week, regardless of whether they're involved in the same stories, or are at the same spot on the card. Case in point would be Jericho's mini-feuds with Orange Cassidy, Colt Cabana and Pineapple Pete in the last month or two. Or go back even further and look at his interactions with Jungle Boy and Scorpio Sky. Just the way things feel simultaneously more well-planned than WWE, while also feeling a lot more unpredictable, is one of their best draws.

    Ultimately what it boils down to, is AEW is the alternative. They are the only American company that is close to WWE in relevance and accessibility, but they go about things much different. They feel more raw, the wrestlers seem way more enthusiastic about what they're doing, the commentators seem to love the product (other than JR half the time), the fans when they had them are way more passionate about the brand than the average Raw or Smackdown crowd. All this stuff is apparent to the viewer. The more stilted WWE becomes, the less enjoyable it is to watch, as a wrestling fan. The way it operates certainly lends itself to mainstream success, and a Raw or Smackdown event is a great little pastime for a family who has nothing better to do, or a wrestling fan like myself who has pretty low standards when it comes to what I'm willing to spend time watching But AEW does its best to appeal to long time and dedicated wrestling fans who pay attention to the little details, want to see long term stories with big payoffs, and prefer something that just feels more real.
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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    Before COVID hit, I was on board and was watching every episode of Dynamite. AEW are better than WWE and Impact at doing the empty arena stuff in America, but it's still not too enjoyable to me. And then another issue is I haven't enjoyed their creative direction since Revolution. Moxley/Lee wasn't as strong a story as Moxley/Jericho, Cody/Archer wasn't as strong as Cody/MJF and ended up being more about their managers, I detest Broken Matt Hardy and he got put into the Inner Circle feud, Hangman's issues with the Bucks was dropped, I don't like Cage who's just debuted with a push behind him.

    I don't know how to interpret EC saying AEW are much much much much better than WWE at storytelling, because yes WWE are dire at telling coherent stories and making you care about their booking, but how good are AEW at this? I do like how they mingle in everyone's angles, but a year in and they've got a track record of some failing stories. The first Hangman push didn't work and they had to hit a reset button, the first wave of the dark order didn't work and they had to hit a reset button and push them even harder, Nyla Rose they've twice tried to build up and they have her lose too easy in an afterthought of a womens division that's never had a good segment, Britt Baker's push as a babyface bombed hard, they pushed Shawn Spears hard on his debut it bombed, then they ran videos for months saying he was looking for a tag partner, then they dropped that idea and are back to pushing him as a singles guy again but now wearing a black glove........ok then.......Brandi's nightmare collective angle was garbage and now she's getting another angle in this QT Marshall/Allie crap, they totally dropped the Inner Circle/Elite feud in late 2019 only to bring it back again months later, Bucks put over Private Party and then forgot about them for months. Not to mention Cody must feud with every heel on the roster because he has no self control and don't even get me started on the Cody/Dustin storyline which made no sense. As far as I'm concerned when it comes to angles, AEW's had more misses than hits in their short existence. BUT, the stuff that lands, lands hard and is usually enough to get me to watch a PPV.

    They are still a hodge-podge booking team where there's too many people with their fingers in the pie and too much self indulgence is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    They are still a hodge-podge booking team where there's too many people with their fingers in the pie and too much self indulgence is going on.
    Yes - agree with this completely. Actually, I think that this is the crux of the problem in a nutshell.

    AEW undoubtedly have plenty of great talent but I'm not sure that the booking team know what to do with them. For every good black-and-white Darby Allin vignette or PAC promo, there's Awesome Kong sniffing hair like Crispin Glover in Charlies Angels, Allie-becoming-the-bunny-becoming-Allie with no explanation, Matt Hardy, Broken Matt, Money Matt, old-person-of-the-week (currently Taz) or pretty much any female angle.

    It feels a little bit scattergun at the moment; they're throwing everything at once and hoping something sticks. However, until something does, at least we have the good old Elite to save the day and dominate every show.

    I sound very negative, but I genuinely want them to be successful. I'm just concerned that there are 5 big egos that are holding them back

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    Re: Who's Watching AEW?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    They are still a hodge-podge booking team where there's too many people with their fingers in the pie and too much self indulgence is going on.
    Who's the main accuser? Until recently, The Young Bucks were defeated match-after-match-after-match. Same arguably for Cody.

    Matt Hardy is a major turnoff for me right now. I really can't stand his promo's, especially when he "translates" from one persona into another right infront of our eyes with no visible changes whatsoever.




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