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    WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

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    No great team would be complete without their strikers. The men to lead the line and put the ball in the net. From your out and out goalscorers, your goal poachers, the target men, and the more creative minded strikers. The Premier League has no shortage of incredible strikers to choose from, so who gets to lead the line in WC's Greatest Premier League team?

    As before, we're voting for two positions so we need a top 5 choice.


    Please vote with your top five Premier League Strikers in history via PM to me by 5.00PM GMT on Saturday 26th October. E.G:



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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    For me this is who partners Alan Shearer. The pure amount of goals he scored was amazing. Thierry Henry is th obvious choice, but there are players like Rooney, Drogba, Cole and Aguero that need to be considered too.
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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    I think Rooney's record speaks for itself and arguably should be #2 behind Shearer but he is a victim of being a utility player. He'd play on the left sometimes, up front, midfield. Aguero and Henry are tough to ignore as well.

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Shearer first, Henry second, then a fight among the rest.

    Shearer has everything. Put it like this, he isn't just clear of the goals, he's significantly clear of anyone else. He was the perfect striker - the best finisher the Premier League has ever seen. The amount of times he'd make a half chance a goal was frightening. He could score any type of goal you needed of him, his link up play was great, he could head the ball, he was fast and strong.

    The best argument for Shearer, and it's the same one I used for Giggs (but stronger in this case) is his longevity. Shearer had two potentially career finishing knee injuries. Look what happened to Rooney, Owen and Torres as soon as their body started to slow down. They went from unstoppable strikers to mediocre players in a flash. Shearer had two big injuries, and slowed down. Did it make him a worse player? No because he adapted to become a fantastic target man - despite not having the height of your Drogba's, he was magnificent at it. That sort of adaptability is what makes him, for me, the best striker in Premier League history and I think only Henry stands out as an argument otherwise. Even deep into his 30s with two big injuries he was still competing for the golden boot, and he was a good player right till the end. His teamwork was superb too. Put him with a similar striker like Les Ferdinand? Great partnership. Put him with a little striker like Bellamy? Still fantastic. Chris Sutton? Won a title together.

    Finally, there have been just 9 players to score over 30 Premier League goals. Drogba, Rooney, Torres, Aguero never managed it once. Shearer did it three times. How many of these other players, aside from Henry and Suarez, had a season as good as Shearer in 1994/1995?


    Henry number two for me, just missing out based only on longevity. But there's no doubt that for the first five years of the 2000s he was the man in the Premier League. Absolutely unplayable on his day and honestly seemed to score every single week. I definitely wouldn't begrudge him as anyone's number 1 choice.


    Struggling after that, but I think Rooney might get my third place vote. He's got the goals, the versatility, he was very good pretty much from the second he debuted and stayed at a high level right up until his body gave up on him. Very selfless player too, because he often sacrificed his goal contributions for the good of his team, and you'd be hard pressed to find a harder working striker. Most gifted teenager I've ever seen, and I include both Ronaldos and Messi in that. He was arguably the best striker in the world in 2009/2010 too.


    Shout out to Suarez. I've talked a lot about individual great seasons in this process and I beg anyone to come up with any player that had a better individual season than Suarez in 2013/2014. That was pretty much like an elite NFL quarterback carrying a shitty team (almost) to a superbowl win. And make no mistake, that wasn't a very spectacular Liverpool side but Suarez was a ridiculous player for them.


    Van Persie is another I'm looking at strongly, as well as Andy Cole, Aguero and Ruud Van Nistlerooy. Drogba is a weird one because if this was picking a guy for a cup final - every time he'd be in my team. But across a league season, I think he falls short of some other guys. It's similar to a Lampard/Gerrard situation with Drogba, I'd have Lampard over 38 games but I'd have Gerrard for my cup finals.
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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    I’m with Shock here. Shearer #1 and Henry #2.

    Rooney and Aguero will also probably make it into the top five too, but it’s going to be a very difficult decision.

    Just off of the top of my head now I’ve got Van Persie, Drogba, Cole, Yorke, Van Nistelrooy, Bergkamp, Torres, Kevin Phillips, Robbie Keane and Suarez that jumped into my head.

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    I think I'm going with Henry #1 and then Aguero and Shearer in either order, still debating it in my head.

    Henry was the best player in the league on his day, and I think he had more of those days than anyone else. No-one sums up football being a joy to watch more Henry did. The guy was inhuman in his talent. He could pick the ball up on the halfway line and you'd be convinced it was ending in a goal he was that dangerous. If I could watch one PL player's career on a youtube highlight reel, it would be Henry. His longevity is his only down point, but a couple more seasons and I think he'd of been above Rooney as the 2nd highest goal scorer all time.

    Shearer's career makes it almost impossible to argue for a buttload of other strikers to be considered for this because of how good he still was in his 30s. Great CF's like Owen, Cole, Fowler etc were all shadows of their former self in their 30s and even Rooney who I love as an all round player and with all the records he has to his name, was notably past his peak in those last 5 or so years in the PL. You can already see it happening with Harry Kane who has a better ratio of goals to games than Shearer and seemed on course for a very similar career, but is already struggling in his mid 20s to feel like the best striker in the league.

    But with Aguero I feel like a lot of what I said with David Silva also has merit here because he has been a key figure in two different Man City teams that have gone on to win the title. In this decade, he's been the best striker in the PL, 6/8 seasons he's hit over 20 goals, and at 8 goals in 8 so far this season he isn't slowing down in his 30s. I know he's never won the golden boot, but he plays in a team with crazy options on the bench and they are never shy of taking him off the pitch when the game is done at 2-0. Out of the 28 players to hit 100 goals or more in the PL, Aguero is 6th on that list, will most likely be 4th before the end of 2019, and most importantly he has the best goals to games ratio (0.7) of any player in that list. In 2019, it might still be too early for people to feel comfortable saying Aguero deserves to be in an all time team of the year thing while he's still playing, but he's contracted to City for another 2 seasons, by that time he's going to have hit or be damn close to 200 PL goals and might have won more titles for City. I sadly think he'll leave England when this latest contract runs out, but I'd love him to just stick with City until he retires so that someone can chase down Shearer's record. IDK, I think he's someone who is getting underrated in this thread because he's still playing AND/OR plays for a team people don't like. I just think he's a better player than Alan Shearer so I'm likely to go Kun 2nd, Alan 3rd. If Aguero spent his entire career in the PL, I think he'd be the #1 pick for this based off his Athletico form.

    The guys I feel a little sorry for are Cantona and Bergkamp who can't win in a statistical argument to get into these teams, but they were both star attractions that made the PL feel must see in the 90s, and two players that helped English football evolve into something more beautiful.

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Moved house recently so sadly missed the LW vote but Ryan Giggs would have been my choice all day long! Really cool to see Keane & Scholes make the CM positions.

    So many good strikers to choose from as well. This is going to be TOUGH! Three names stand out for me at the moment- Shearer, Rooney & Henry.


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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    This is going to be so difficult. There's so many strikers that have taken the PL by storm over the years.

    As much as I hate to admit it, it's hard to disregard Alan Shearer given the sheer amount of goals he scored. It's hard to believe that his record is still standing and that it is looking like it'll never be surpassed at this rate.

    Sergio Aguero I think has to be in the top too given his conversion rate, which is miles ahead of anyone else. If he had been playing int he league longer then he'd no doubt have passed Shearer by now. It'll be interesting to see how close he'll get to Shearer's record by the time he either retires or moves on.

    I think these are thew top two. Beyond that, I think these guys need to be in the conversaiton:

    Wayne Rooney
    Second in the charts to Shearer, but as others have mentioned, he did go through dips in form and was played in a variety of other positions for periods of his career. If he had stayed true to his top form he could have overtaken Shearer for sure.

    Ruud Van Nistelrooy
    Didn't have the longevity but his goalscoring record at United was phenomenal, would ahve been even better too had he not been injured for most of the 04/05 season. Such a shame that he didn't last longer at United as he could have gone on to score a lot more goals.

    Thierry Henry
    Not much to say about a player this good. Phenomenal footballer, an absolute magician and a joy to watch. The epitome of the Arsenal golden years under Wenger.

    Dennis Bergkamp
    I rated Bergkamp above Henry personally. Didn't score as many goals but he facilitated a lot of what Henry was all about, they were a great partnership to watch together. A magestic footballer.

    The list goes on; Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Teddy Sheringham, Ian Wright, Didier Drogba, Nicolas Anekla, all players that I really enjoyed watching and have a stonr goalscoring record behind them to make a strong case at making anyones top 5.

    I'll have to have a hard think about who I put in there alongside the top two.

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    Someone else who, in terms of players I loved to watch when in form and up for it, is Berbatov. He probably won’t trouble mine or anyone else’s list but he’s one where he could have been so much better. 94 PL goals is nothing to be ignored though.




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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    From the earlier days another who I enjoyed watching despite who he played for was Robbie Fowler, and a certain Australian at Leeds, Mark Viduka. Obviously nowhere near the best of the best but worth mentioning too.
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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    From the earlier days another who I enjoyed watching despite who he played for was Robbie Fowler, and a certain Australian at Leeds, Mark Viduka. Obviously nowhere near the best of the best but worth mentioning too.
    My mum's side of the family are Liverpool fans, and I still have clear memory of Fowler being God there. It felt like he would score every week. In his early 20s I was sure he was going to be the best striker in the world. Pace + finishing is one hell of a combination, and it's a shame that his career ultimately boiled down to a few seasons in the mid 90s.

    My votes will be going to Shearer and (reluctantly) Henry. Gutted that Cantona doesn't look like he'll get a look in from many though. Even though I was clearly instructed as a kid to hate all things United, Cantona changed football for me. I liked it before I saw him, but once he came along it was the switch that made it my number one thing. He was just so cool, so charismatic. There won't ever be anyone like him imo. He was just a superstar. Plus he may be the only person to have elevated a goal in one of the greatest of all time on the back of a celebration. That Sunderland goal is magnificent on its own, but the celebration at the end takes it over the edge. Just brilliant.

    Don't imagine Sheringham getting much of a look in this, and while I know I'm biased, he was pretty special as well. I don't know if he'll even make my top 5 (I can't look past Shearer, Henry, Cantona, Aguero and Rooney) but I wish he did.

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    I love Sherringham as a player. Don't think he did enough to get a top 5 place but he was a great player. His link up playing and passing with his strike partners were as good as anything I've seen (similar to Bobby Firmino to give a modern example).

    Cantona deserves some love. I hate him because him and Schmeichel almost single handily dragged Man Utd to the title in 96, plus he's one of the most influential players in the Premier League. He was the league's first superstar.

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    The problem King Eric has is he wasn't about for long enough. He retired at his peak, so as World Class as he was, for those outside of Manchester he'll always have that against him.

    I guess we are really fortunate that the vast majority of the world class strikers have played in the EPL at somepoint.

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    Just popping in to give Andy Cole a mention, not gonna crack anyone's top 5 but definitely an all time great PL goal scorer.

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    If we had held on to Cole for one more year we'd have won that title. Fantastic striker and goalscorer. Same with Dwight Yorke too

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Get those votes in!

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Sent my votes in.

    I'm really pulling for Aguero here but I can't see a scenario were Shearer and Henry don't take those final positions. I think it's going to look really weird for us to produce a greatest all time PL team and Man City don't have any representation, but I can understand why given our age and how many Utd fans are voting on this. Ultimately our team is going to look like what 90% of people would pick if they were asked the same questions, but I wonder at what point 90s-mid 00s nostalgia wears off and if Man City and Utd continue on the path they've been on for the next 5 or so seasons how much tougher some of these choices become if more than one club had 10-15 years dominance over this league.

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Aguero is high for me as well. I think if he still has a couple of seasons in him, which he does, he could be #1 one day

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    Re: WC Decides: The Greatest Premier League Team - The Strikers

    Man Utd are represented highly because they were so dominant. City are great, but they've only won 4 Premier League titles spread across 8 seasons. Whereas Man Utd won far more and kept a lot of their players for long stretches of that run (Keane, Giggs, Neville, Schmeichel Scholes were all kept through the whole of the 90s when they won all but 2 titles).

    The only City player I can see breaking into those places in the future is KDB and Sterling and that would depend how long they stick around and perform at the level they are. My main issue with Aguero is that he has never been the best player in the league, nor has he ever been the best player in any given season (or even the best player in his own team), whereas there were periods when other strikers like Shearer and Henry were indisputably the best players in the league at various points. He's very consistently at being very good, and he's a wonderful, deadly player. But I don't think he's ever had that blockbuster season where he's head and shoulders above everyone else, like Shearer, Henry, Suarez, had.





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