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    AEW Dark Discussion Thread


    I feel this series is worthy of its own thread. Based on the first two weeks, AEW isn't going to be giving us a bunch of undercard filler on this show and there should actually be plenty to discuss. Here are the first two episodes.




    As far as this week's episode goes, I though Avalon's promo really tanked. I mean, he's getting booed a lot, but it seems to be more like they're booing his existence more than they're booing what he's saying. The triple threat was pretty good though, and I'd like to see Sabian get his momentum going back in a positive direction. To be honest, it is kind of odd they went with Guevara in the big spot of facing Cody on the premiere and joining The Inner Circle, despite the fact they put Sabian over him at Double or Nothing. The main event, well, watch it for yourself. I loved it. I liked how they set it up too, with Kenny telling The Bucks he didn't want to take a week off after the Paradigm Shift through the glass table, setting up an Unsanctioned Match between himself and Janela. The match delivered and was definitely something worthy of a Dynamite main event, or even PPV.
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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Found the main event to be way too long and empty. It started out fun but it carried on and on. Okay for a dark match but it a was pretty weak given it's praise. The rest of the match was okay. Forgettable.
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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MC 16 View Post
    Found the main event to be way too long and empty. It started out fun but it carried on and on. Okay for a dark match but it a was pretty weak given it's praise. The rest of the match was okay. Forgettable.
    Fair enough on all of that criticism, other than the forgettable part. How is Omega going through the under side of a table forgettable? Or Janela taking the One Winged Angel into the seat of a chair? No way those spots are forgettable.

    Personally, I was sucked in throughout the match. Janela's bits were pretty standard for him but the stuff I mentioned for Omega, plus him taking Moxley's moves, and the general violence of it all made it one of the best 30 minutes I've spent watching wrestling in a little while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The EC View Post
    Fair enough on all of that criticism, other than the forgettable part. How is Omega going through the under side of a table forgettable? Or Janela taking the One Winged Angel into the seat of a chair? No way those spots are forgettable.

    Personally, I was sucked in throughout the match. Janela's bits were pretty standard for him but the stuff I mentioned for Omega, plus him taking Moxley's moves, and the general violence of it all made it one of the best 30 minutes I've spent watching wrestling in a little while.
    I put match when I meant show, as in the tag and triple threat matches.

    I wouldn't say the match was forgettable but they definitely overdid so much stuff that a lot of it didn't have much lasting effect.
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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MC 16 View Post
    I put match when I meant show, as in the tag and triple threat matches.

    I wouldn't say the match was forgettable but they definitely overdid so much stuff that a lot of it didn't have much lasting effect.
    Ah, well I get that. It was definitely a car crash. I would say there was little point to the match, but at the same time, the concept of the match was Omega desperately wanting to get a win and take out his frustrations, while on the other hand, it goes without saying that a win would be huge for Janela. Then you have Omega doing Mox's moves to tie things back to that rivalry, and it actually ended up feeling like it served a purpose in his current storyline. I'm really looking forward to Mox vs. Omega more than ever now, so at least there's that.
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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    I’ll echo that I also found it empty and some of the nutty spots got quite mediocre or quick pops for what they were putting themselves through. Poor Janela’s sole purpose in AEW is to be this bumptastic wildcard that they can’t fit into anything meaningful but is there and ready for hardcore spots to spice up the card a bit.

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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    I really enjoyed that main event and the fact that they went to that much effort to put that match on and it wasn’t even on their main TV show or a PPV. I was into it the whole way through and some of the spots at the end were great, and I loved the finish. The only thing that was a negative for me was that the crowd were obviously deflated after having sat through Dynamite and the rest of Dark.

    The Triple Threat wasn’t anything special really, and I’m not a fan of the Librarian character at all, but we may be seeing some development there as Bates apologised(?) to the crowd after Avalon’s promo. Kiss was quite over but it made sense for Sabina to get the win.

    Another terrible showing for the referee again in the 8 Man, as everyone was just doing whatever they wanted and it was again impossible to follow who was legal and who wasn’t.



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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Omega vs Janela was as expected - some nutso bumps but ultimately hollow and meaningless. Served its purpose from a storyline perspective but no thanks. Also they need to decide if they are doing commentary in real time or retroactively, it was really confusing at points.

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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Haven't seen the match yet but I can already sense what it would be like. I'll check it out later. It'll be interesting to see if they stick with giving away a match a week that is big enough to make Dynamite, or it'll turn into their version of Main Event where it starts out hot with CM Punk Vs Sheamus on the first episode and then after about a month or so no-one cares.

    The funny thing is, they're essentially running a 3rd hour of Dynamite straight off the bat when no-one requested it, it's like an extra treat for the fans. Worries me a little bit that if they're ok producing this content just for their youtube show, and with the numbers doing what they are doing so far on Wednesday nights in the key demos, how long until TNT look at this and want to turn Dynamite into a 3 hour live show on Wednesdays when it comes time to renegotiate a new deal?

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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    the line of thinking I've seen do the rounds is that they are testing viewership of Dark to see if they can get a 2nd TV Show that would be their B-Show

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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by The EC View Post
    Ah, well I get that. It was definitely a car crash. I would say there was little point to the match, but at the same time, the concept of the match was Omega desperately wanting to get a win and take out his frustrations, while on the other hand, it goes without saying that a win would be huge for Janela. Then you have Omega doing Mox's moves to tie things back to that rivalry, and it actually ended up feeling like it served a purpose in his current storyline. I'm really looking forward to Mox vs. Omega more than ever now, so at least there's that.
    I think there was a real depth to this match in terms of storytelling that a lot of people have missed due to the car crash type spots that were involved. To me, it tied back to how Moxley originally went to wrestle in Japan so he could essentially feel what it was like to be Kenny Omega. I saw Kenny as doing the same thing, he wrestled a brutal hardcore match with the same opponent that Moxley had a few months ago. So I saw this as Omega trying to get into Moxley's head and attempting to dig deeper within himself by becoming as brutal as Moxley to the point that he even used his finisher. But he's also in a desperate place because he's losing matches so he definitely was taking out his frustrations on Janela. The fact that Janela was yelling at Kenny during the match that he would never beat Moxley added even more to the story.

    I'm not even a huge fan of hardcore matches but this was personally one of my favorite matches of the year just due to the story being told. There definitely has been some crazy high praise for it in the IWC (like match of the year or even the greatest dark match of all time ) which are in my opinion overboard. I just think it's a shame that some saw it as just a random spot fest because I think they're missing the essence of what the match was really about.



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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    I wouldn't call having the exact match you always have in a plunder setting except with one or two moves of Moxley's "real depth" tbh. That's the type of thing that made the match feel as shallow as it did.
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    Re: AEW Dark Discussion Thread

    Calling it the greatest dark match of all time would be some crazy praise when it's not a dark match. These are matches taped to air now

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    Quote Originally Posted by MC 16 View Post
    I wouldn't call having the exact match you always have in a plunder setting except with one or two moves of Moxley's "real depth" tbh. That's the type of thing that made the match feel as shallow as it did.
    Just the fact that he had the match to show Moxley he can excel in his world, just as Moxley did in Omega's world is another fine touch. The whole concept of the match was well conceived I feel. I'm not by any means saying it was a 5-star or even 4-star match but it was good stuff.
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    Latest episode of Dark.

    I thought the 8 man was really fun, it looked like they were all really enjoying themselves. Jim Cornette would hate it though.



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    8 man was a perfect dark match. Got the crowd buzzing, but would have looked out of place on Dynamite

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    I think that the face or heel argument needs to be cleared up a bit more for a number of the roster. For example, we had Private Party and CIMA working basically as heels in the main event where they’ve been presented as faces in AEW so far.

    As you mentioned, Dave, Nyla has been presented as both. I’m not sure if Leva Bates is supposed to be a face now as she’s apparently had enough of Peter Avalon.

    Then of course there is MJF, who is a face when Cody is around but then a fully-fledged heel at all other times. That’s unless he’s now a solidified face due to the Inner Circle stuff going on.



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    I think that the face or heel argument needs to be cleared up a bit more for a number of the roster. For example, we had Private Party and CIMA working basically as heels in the main event where they’ve been presented as faces in AEW so far.

    As you mentioned, Dave, Nyla has been presented as both. I’m not sure if Leva Bates is supposed to be a face now as she’s apparently had enough of Peter Avalon.

    Then of course there is MJF, who is a face when Cody is around but then a fully-fledged heel at all other times. That’s unless he’s now a solidified face due to the Inner Circle stuff going on.


    For MJF though, I don't have a problem with a guy being a heel with a certain allegiance to a face. It's at least been well established that Cody is his best friend so for him to help him, while still being a dick to everyone else, is fine by me.
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    Woah Sonny has really improved by the look of it, really impressing me in this tag match with Dustin.

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    Penelope and Sadie look really good in this 4 way. Even Allie and Sakura are looking good. I'm starting to think maybe the problem isn't their women's division, maybe the problem is Britt Baker LOL.

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