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    Chris Jericho

    Oh, surely you knew this one was coming?

    Well, I'm now armed with the full knowledge of the rules so lets take a look at the first ever WWF Undisputed Champion, and one of the greatest professional wrestlers of not just this decade, but all time as well. Now, I'll be clear - Chris Jericho is not my Number 1 pick, probably isn't even in my Top 5 for Modern Wrestlers, but the fact that there was no thread in dedication to discussing him, well I felt this was criminal.

    You'd be forgiven for forgetting what Chris Jericho did in 2015. I must confess to being somewhat underwhelmed myself for what he did during this period of time. He had signed a contract in January 2015 for around 15 house show appearances so was not on WWE television that much. He did have a presence in the WWE Universe during this time though hosting Tough Enough, and for my money - is one of the most entertaining parts of it. I mean, the man managed to get some half decent promos out of even the blandest of talents. I do appreciate however, that is not wrestling - which most of you are going to look at, but taking part in the training of wrestlers is part of being a good "worker" which is what this section is about. You all know Velveteen Dream since you all seem to get so hard for NXT - well he himself credits the words of wisdom and time spent with the Fozzy lead singer as very influential to his success.

    So he came back to in-ring action in 2016. Where he lasted ages in the Rumble, and I must admit - he was my pick to actually win the Rumble that year. He then had that feud with AJ Styles, you know the one where they sold Y2AJ shirts to fans and then as soon as they sold out, broke up the team making them utterly meaningless - yeah that one. That year he got a rather... questionable win against AJ Styles at Mania and then moved on to Dean Ambrose and I can still remember that tack spot he took in the Ambrose Asylum - one of the best moments of the year in my eyes. It was here when he also started the arrogant scarf wearing gimmick that we all know and love proving just how versatile he can be as a character.

    Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho as a team was one of the most entertaining parts of 2016 in wrestling period. Whether it was their match with Enzo and Cass at Summerslam, or simply refusing to get Tom Philips' name right, everything that Jericho was part of this year turned to excellence. He made it great. Very few wrestlers can take everything they're given and make it work - a true testimate to Jericho's ability as a wrestler. We then went full on amazing with Jericho and we got the list gimmick. There is no denying the success of that gimmick and how much the fans got behind it.

    As we moved into February 2017, we got the Festival of Friendship - at least I think it was February, which was voted by many for Best Segment of the Year, and continued to show Jericho's ability to change from face to heel and make each gimmick work. Jericho and Owens gave us some great matches and segments, even if Vince McMahon didn't agree at the Wrestlemania gorilla position. Jericho then left WWE for a bit in order to focus on Fozzy - a personal issue that does perhaps make him uneligible for being the greatest worker of all time, after all - you could argue he's just a part time talent.

    Proving his ability to evolve once again, like he even needed to - he then set the Wrestling world on fire again showing up in New Japan to attack Kenny Omega. I don't watch New Japan, so I'm not too involved in what happened there so I won't pretend to have a clue about what he did for that promotion, but what I do know is that his being there got my attention and Omega vs. Jericho remains the first and only New Japan match that I've ever watched. He then did some more stuff, that like I said - I'm not too up on with Naito - in fact I think he's a current Intercontinental Champion up there too.
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    Re: Chris Jericho

    I love Jericho to bits but he should not be discussed for this. His matches against AJ were okay but underwhelming. His match against KO was just disappointing and boring. This isn't about segments and making gimmicks work. It's about wrestling. His match against Kenny was his only really good match from 2015-2018. His match against Naito was extremely disappointing and I don't have high hopes for their match in the Dome. I understand you love the guy but he simply is not in the top 50, let alone top 100, for this.


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    Re: Chris Jericho

    There is stuff he's done in the last 4 years that deserves kudos and fueled me to push for him to go into our HOF; the list of jericho stuff was just another example of him being able to take anything and make it popular with fans (totally outshined Owens during that period) and I have loved the New Japan run even if I think it has limited shelf life. But a Kenny Omega match aside, not a lot of that is down to him having good matches. For example he had a string of matches against Roman Reigns, noted great TV worker and none of them were impressive.

    He does remarkably well for a guy of his age with a 25 year career behind him, especially when you consider what the likes of Kane, Triple H, Undertaker, Shane McMahon etc get up to these days, but he is not one of the best 50 wrestlers of the last 4 years. He's a top contender for marketer and self-promoter of the last half decade for sure.
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    Re: Chris Jericho

    Absolutely not. 2018 was his best year from 2015 & he had like 5 matches overall.

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    Re: Chris Jericho

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    He's a top contender for marketer and self-promoter of the last half decade for sure.
    And he'd still lose that to Cody


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    Re: Chris Jericho

    No way. Subpar 2016. Quiet years. Okay 2018.
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    Re: Chris Jericho

    Yeah I agree with the general idea here. Jericho is an absolute legend, and he's been in some great stuff over the last few years, but it's more as a character than a wrestler.

    This project is about 10 years too late for Jericho, unfortunately. But like Ed says, he deserves kudos when you see what guys like Kane and Undertaker are like compared to Jericho.

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    Re: Chris Jericho

    Appreciate the thought put in but in 6 paragraphs no actual mention of his wrestling.

    Wouldn't make Top 100 for this, wouldn't make Top 100 all-time. NEXT!

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    Re: Chris Jericho

    Reading through some of the replies here, I certainly think that when I made this thread, I did so taking the word "Worker" quite differently to some of the others. I'm happy for people to disagree, hell, it would be one pretty boring forum if we all just went around agreeing with each other now wouldn't it? Many of you seem to be taking "worker" and connoting that to just "wrestling". I see Best Worker, and Best Wrestler as two different categories completely, which is why I've danced around with the idea of Jericho as being one of the better workers in the business, then and now.

    Okay, so maybe I should define what "worker" meant to me when I came up with this thread? When I suggested Jericho as an entrant to this project, I looked at worker as being someone's general Professional Wrestling makeup. So that's wrestling ability, notoriety, relevance, what they've done not just in the ring but backstage as well. When you look at Jericho from that perspective, in the last three years, he's brought an indy fed in New Japan to mainstream relevance, been influential in the establishment of careers for stars like Velveteen Dream, Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville, now roster mainstays. He was one of the most entertaining parts of 2016 and 2017 with his team with Kevin Owens among all else.

    If we're going solely on matches for the last few years, then yeah - he's not in the Top 50. I voted Jericho for the same reasons that people have nominated stars like The Miz, Sheamus and more - it's not because they are churning out 5 star classics every week, but because of their contributions to working for the business in the last few years.
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    Re: Chris Jericho

    This seemed laughable a year ago, but part of me wants to consider Jericho for #50 given the career resurgence he's had the last 2 years to the point where he's a credible world champion for the #2 promotion in America and he's selflessly making his opponents look good.

    Ultimately this is a in-ring project so he's going to fall short, but there's still something to be said for Jericho having crowds in the palm of his hands during his matches and is it elitist of me (pardon the pun) to ignore character work, crowd control, heat, star aura etc when it comes to assessing matches. He may move slower than most other wrestlers in the world, but what he does resonates with me a lot more than what 90% of other wrestlers are doing in 2019. If he manages to make a singles match with Scorpio Sky feel must-see next week, he'll only strengthen his case.
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