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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tennessee Nicky View Post
    The only thing I probably wouldn’t be fully invested on this card is a Shayna Baszler match. If there’s anyone I don’t understand in NXT right now, it’s her. I thought about making a thread saying “Sell Me On Shayna Baszler”. I appreciate having a beast in the women’s division but 95% of her matches feel exactly the same and she talks way too much for a threat and it totally takes away her intimidation. She suffers from a lot of the same tropes that have made people turn on Brock....but people love her? I don’t understand why people enjoy watching the same match over and over again.
    Well you're not the only one because I don't get it either. I couldn't believe the amount of praise people were heaping on her after the title match at Evolution. She's certainly improved dramatically since she's been with the company but most matches I've seen of hers are totally interchangeable. I appreciate the unique aspect she brings to the ring but if it's the same thing every time how unique is it?

    In regards to the talking thing, I do wonder if maybe they're just trying to get her more comfortable on the mic as her career progresses? It would make sense even though it's odd to see someone who could easily be a silent killer talking so much.

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    100% with Nicky on all this. But I also agree with the skeptics. I think Black and Ciampa both cooled off when they became champ but it's nothing against them and they both remain more interesting than most of the rest of the roster. I don't doubt Ciampa vs. Dream will be a hit when it actually happens. I'd also bet money Johnny vs. Aleister goes over well even though Johnny hasn't been real likable as of late. To me this card looks like money and there's really nothing about any of the advertised matches to suggest it won't be as good as past TakeOver events.
    I'm sure Gargano/Black will be solid but I question how you play out the finish? Not really sure either guy should be losing at this point.


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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Aleister could easily lose and nothing would be bad about it. He doesn’t have much time left anyway on NXT and I wouldn’t be surprised if he popped up on Raw or Smackdown following Survivor Series.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    worked by his twitter, ok then.

    Since Ciampa won the title off Black, not one NXT discussion thread has hit over 10 replies, and the Brooklyn 4 takeover LD was the lowest number since Chicago 2017, so clearly on WC interest in NXT is down. My twitter timeline has less NXT talk than normal and is more critical than positive, and I see the same pattern in the podcasts I listen to. Even the Brooklyn 4 attendance was lower than the Brooklyn 3 attendance in the same building so it’s not just online opinions reality, it’s reality reality, interest is down. I could widen the search to other sites I frequent from time to time but I’m sure I’ll see the same pattern. The most positive thing I’ve heard about NXT recently is that Cross has gotten over in the angle, but she doesn’t seem to be on this show.

    Shayna having brock tropes seems like a lazy comparison because she’s a former MMA fighter. She doesn’t have finisher spam matches that are over in 5 minutes, she doesn’t gas quickly, she has a submission based moves, she does her own talking, great character work, has had a strangle hold on the title because she’s lost to Kairi already. I get not liking her though, I think she is polarising. I don’t think she’s that great, but I enjoy her work.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    “Does her own talking”, not a positive. Great character work: what’s the character? Doesn’t get gassed and have five minute sprints: hey that’s all well and good but walking around the ring for 15 minutes and doing really long stretches out limb spots isn’t the most exciting either.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Aleister Black was showing up on main event and house shows a few months back, wasn't he? A call up could be imminent.

    As for Shayna, she is very fun to watch, she may be one-note but her matches are a breath of fresh air opposed to most matches on the Takeover shows. NXT Takeover's can be tiresome because all the matches are very similar, now so are Shayna Baszler's (like I said, one note) but one match every few weeks is a lot better than every match on a few hour show. It's nice having that little chance of pace for 5-10 minutes. If we are comparing her with Brock, I don't mind Brock's short matches either.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tennessee Nicky View Post
    “Does her own talking”, not a positive. Great character work: what’s the character? Doesn’t get gassed and have five minute sprints: hey that’s all well and good but walking around the ring for 15 minutes and doing really long stretches out limb spots isn’t the most exciting either.
    Hold up, You’re changing the argument from she suffers from a lot of brock’s tropes to the many ways she’s different to Brock are not things I like about her. the way you just described her matches sounds more like 2016 Timothy Thatcher than it does 2018 Brock Lesnar. What are these tropes?

    The character is she’s a locker room bully who poses a dangerous threat in the ring, to the extent that some are afraid of her and it took someone with bravery in Kairi to stand up against her. There’s some shades of arrogance that her MMA experimence makes her better than anyone else. We’ll probably see some leadership qualities come through now as the head of the new horsewoman. You don’t have to like it, but it’s a character profile that’s been pretty hard to miss.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    How it is not obvious? The biggest single trope is that it’s THE SAME FORMULA FOR EACH MATCH. Yeah, you can be picky about exact specifics but it’s a wrestler doing the same formula for each match.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Well hey I think the positive we can all agree on is there's a lively discussion already for this event and the thread just started today.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by The EC View Post
    Well hey I think the positive we can all agree on is there's a lively discussion already for this event and the thread just started today.
    You’re welcome!
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tennessee Nicky View Post
    How it is not obvious? The biggest single trope is that it’s THE SAME FORMULA FOR EACH MATCH. Yeah, you can be picky about exact specifics but it’s a wrestler doing the same formula for each match.
    The only thing that’s obvious is that you aren’t paying attention to her matches, cause this is flat out wrong. the last two matches with Sane have been very different.

    takeover Brooklyn - Kairi dominates and Shayna is on the backfoot So it’s more of a selling match for her. Zero armwork from Shayna, focuses on the legs more than anything. It’s actually a match Kairi has the better submission spots. No interference, Kairi wins clean by reversing the choke into a pin.

    Evolution - much more shayna’s match where kairi is doing more of the selling building up to her big comeback. Lots of arm work on the match, nothing on the legs. Interference clearly costs Kairi the match as she gets caught up in the choke.

    It’s been over a year but I seem to remember their first match together having the story that Shayna was working injured with bad ribs. I can remember other TV matches against Dakota Kai where it’s a flat out squash.

    So there’s some examples of her being asked to wrestle different types of matches. If you want to ignore all that and say well yeah but it’s still a submission based wrestler working towards one of her submission finishers with a differing amount of challenge coming her way, then I don’t know what to tell you because that’s then just every wrestler working towards their finish. That’s a WWE trope, not a Brock trope. I don’t think it’s a knock on her that she doesn’t come out one week trying to be a high flyer, and then the next week she’s working comedy and then back to MMA submission specialist the next month.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Were just gonna have to agree to disagree my man. I watched the matches and they have the same trademark in each one that makes everything she does less special and feel less effective.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    The two ember moon matches are different to each other too because one is a pure arm work match, and then the NOLA match was more action and strikes and the twist of Shayna having her arm fucked up and having to pop it back in. Shayna’s a better story teller in a match than i thought before this conversation

    fair enough, it’s only cause I think Brock Lesnar is the worst wrestler you can compare someone else to these days that I defended her.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Oh my god, the arm popping spot? That was horrible dude.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Yep was pretty hokey, but again it’s something different she did in a match.

    i hate that spot. The only time I liked it was when Ambrose did it against Regal in FCW.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    NXT Women's Title match has been added to the event.

    I suspect there'll be one more match added, probs Ohno/Riddle, and this card is shaping up to be pretty fab.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Shayna is maybe the best female worker they have on the roster. She may be able to carry Sane to another good match here.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Damn good card, having 3 champs in War Games really helps freshen it up.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    Not sure Sane vs. Baszler increases my interest but it does pretty much guarantee a solid match.

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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    The match is way overdone by this point but they've got to have the grand climax to their feud and hopefully this is it. Baszler can feud with Dakota Kai or Io Shirai, Sane can feud with Belair or Lacey Evans afterwards. Anyway, this should be the best match of the show like it was the last few Takeovers. Both have great chemistry and will no doubt have another banger on the show. I'm looking forward to it.
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    Re: NXT Takeover: War Games II - November 17, 2018 - Card & Discussion

    I do not want to see Baszler and Dakota Kai feud again.
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