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    Welsh Government did the right thing before anyone else in giving those entitled to FSM payments during school holidays until Easter '21. Rest are following suite, except England. People saying parents should be providing for their own kids....I do agree however when many of these parents work jobs around school times, which will be retail, hospitality etc are the ones being fucking closed dopey fuckers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    big up Marcus Rashford

    fuck the tories
    Hate coming up against him on FIFA but he’s got as much respect as I can have for someone for what he’s doing and he’s putting everyone else in a similar position as him to shame.

    I signed a petition today to stop MPs’ meals being paid for by the taxpayers. Fuck off will they vote for that but it’s going to be great watching them get a load of shit for having to debate and immediately dismiss it.

    Seen Sunak has been barred from his local as well for voting against the free school meals.

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    Seen Sunak has been barred from his local as well for voting against the free school meals.
    Fantastic if true.

    When Nigel fucking Farage is scoring points off the government, you know how inept they truly are.


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    None of them can actually take a backstep and they are doubling down on the bullshit. People using food vouchers for drugs? Fuck off man, no drug dealer is accepting that shit for gear. It's amazing that a few of them have said that they think increasing welfare funds etc would help more than FSM vouchers. These are the same people who demonise benefit claimants as addicts, unresponsible etc... so their solution, by their own logic, would be to fund that instead of directly funding hungry kids Clowns.

    Seen Patel's just potentially fucked a trial by tweeting about it as it's ongoing. This is the person in charge of our national security. The lorry trial it is as well... sure she gives a shit about that...

    Cabinet is hopeless. Entire government is hopeless.

    Glad Sunak's got banned from his pub but let's face it, cunt got rich during the 2008 crisis and is married into a rich family. He can just buy that pub if he wants.


    I actually can't believe I pay tax to this shower of shit and they fritter it away on absolute fuck all.


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    Didn't Patel already do something like that in the past? She is maliciously stupid.

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    Sunak I can kind of get. He is in charge of the country's books, and has already been forced to create a billion £ debt because of the pandemic. He probably doesn't want to keep adding more and more debt to the pile. That said, I agree they should coughing up the dough here.

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    As much as I love businesses in this country coming together to support school meals during half term, the devil's advocate in me feels this plays into the government's hands. Why would they pay a penny now we're doing it for them?

    It was the same with Major Tom and the NHS. Don't get me wrong, I prefer this solution to the alternative of kids going hungry, but time and time again this country bails out the government whilst they save money.

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    The country isn't bailing out the Government, they are bailing out themselves. I am on board with the Rashford school meals plan and think the Govt should spend the money, but it's not as simple as "evil Conservatives want children to DIE". The Conservatives live and breath on the platform of financial scrutiny, and they won the last election with a majority. Therefore they have the mandate to show financial scrutiny on all spending decisions, and they have already added billions to the national debt this year thanks to the various coronavirus-related schemes they have rolled out - which includes £120m on the same school meals plan over the Summer just gone. I'm in favour of this particular plan but there has to be a point where we can't keep relying on the Govt to pay for everything because it's going to be *our* generation and the one after us who will get hit hardest by the ridiculous debt that is getting built up.

    But yes, they should U-turn on the school means decision and there are signs they will if the public pressure is kept up.

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    If they can afford to give billions to their pals in dodgy deals, they can afford this. The financial scrutiny defence would hold up if the Tories weren't spending terribly rn and if they hadnt spent the last 10 years totally destroying our finances.

    This alleged Conservative government isn't very good with money and they're not very good people either.

    120m FSM during the summer sounds like a drop in the ocean compared to some of their financial disasters.


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    Right, but pointing out they have done dodgey deals and have poorly spent money elsewhere is an arguement for more financial scrutiny, not less. Again, I'm in favour of the school meals deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Steventon View Post
    Right, but pointing out they have done dodgey deals and have poorly spent money elsewhere is an arguement for more financial scrutiny, not less. Again, I'm in favour of the school meals deal.
    Yes of course it is but if the current Conservative government give off the impression that they arent good at scrutinising finances then people are unlikely to vote Conservative for more financial scrutiny!

    I think a Non Tory party can show themselves to be financially responsible if people are turning away from the classic Tory perception. Just takes transparency, explanations and not allowing the Tories to blame you for an economic crisis caused by their Banker bros (Dishy Rishi involved here too).

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    I certainly don't believe the Tories "want children to die". But Shake has it spot on, for a government worried about debt, they sure are shitty at spending the cash when they do.

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1424447.html

    tl;dr quote: “The government has now been forced to admit that it not only spent millions training SARS but also directly supplied them with equipment.”

    I dont think this is particularly "exceptional" in the grand scheme of awful shit our governments do - funding foreign police/militaries. But I dont think its something the average person thinks about much and really realize how prevalent it is. Thats tax money funding murder overseas, essentially.

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    More excellent "financial scrutiny" I see.

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    Meanwhile the SNP are trying to pass a Hate Crime Bill that means you can be prosecuted for saying offensive things in your own home. Doubt it'll pass but this Justice Secretary seems to have lost the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Steventon View Post
    Meanwhile the SNP are trying to pass a Hate Crime Bill that means you can be prosecuted for saying offensive things in your own home. Doubt it'll pass but this Justice Secretary seems to have lost the plot.
    I am pretty sure you will only be prosecuted if you are saying things with malicious intent or a desire to stir up hatred. Me just saying fuck all tories at my dinner table isnt going to get me arrested.

    Itll probably pass unless theres extreme resistance from within. The SNP are well known to be targeting hate speech harshly and its a byproduct from their ridiculous war on football fans.

    Humza is gung ho on this shit because he gets abused daily for having the cheek to be a Muslim in a prominent position. Doesnt help that hes a Celtic fan either and unionists just love us.

    But yeah, seeing some right wingers describe this as Stasi like is hilarious.


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    I am pretty sure you will only be prosecuted if you are saying things with malicious intent or a desire to stir up hatred. Me just saying fuck all tories at my dinner table isnt going to get me arrested.

    Itll probably pass unless theres extreme resistance from within. The SNP are well known to be targeting hate speech harshly and its a byproduct from their ridiculous war on football fans.

    Humza is gung ho on this shit because he gets abused daily for having the cheek to be a Muslim in a prominent position. Doesnt help that hes a Celtic fan either and unionists just love us.

    But yeah, seeing some right wingers describe this as Stasi like is hilarious.
    Right, but what's the difference here? And who decides that difference? 'Hate speech' in general is a very vague term and regularly disputed. The idea of being prosecuted for speech in your own home is very authoritarian.

    I don't know much about Humza, but Scotland is an incredibly liberal country. There will always be a very small racist minority, but the way to tackle that isn't to introduce laws on what people can and cannot say in their own private affairs. I have seen a video doing the rounds of him railing on the amount of white people in the Scottish legal and parliament system. What % of Scots are muslim? I have to imagine it's relatively small. Can you imagine a second generation white man in Pakistan railing against the amount of Brown People in their system?

    I haven't dug deep into this story but on the surface level it looks pretty stinky.

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    Thats the strange thing about hate speech. its not entirely clear. Is it only limited to races, religions, sexuality?

    Also is hating on bigots also considered hate speech?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Steventon View Post
    Right, but what's the difference here? And who decides that difference? 'Hate speech' in general is a very vague term and regularly disputed. The idea of being prosecuted for speech in your own home is very authoritarian.

    I don't know much about Humza, but Scotland is an incredibly liberal country. There will always be a very small racist minority, but the way to tackle that isn't to introduce laws on what people can and cannot say in their own private affairs. I have seen a video doing the rounds of him railing on the amount of white people in the Scottish legal and parliament system. What % of Scots are muslim? I have to imagine it's relatively small. Can you imagine a second generation white man in Pakistan railing against the amount of Brown People in their system?

    I haven't dug deep into this story but on the surface level it looks pretty stinky.
    Do you read the Express or Daily Mail by any chance?

    Anyways, the bill will define what it means hence why the likes of Yousaf and others are listening to criticism and working with Free speech groups to get this right. This bill has been put together using reccomendations etc from lawyers specialising in hate speech etc. Humza hasnt hid from the media spotlight.

    I dont know exact figures but I am pretty confident the Muslim population of Scotland is probably the biggest "minority" so to speak at the very least. Havent seen the video but I am assuming itll be doing the rounds amongst right wingers who are very upset by it. Doubt Humza Yousaf is on a mission to eliminate white people in Scotland despite his flawed statements. Clearly not something I agree with but I dont view it as being as malicious as the pricks calling him a sand ****** and telling him to fuck off 'back' to scum paki land.

    Scotland is definitely left leaning and liberal but we still have massive issues with racism and bigotry. Especially against Muslim, Chinese and black people.

    I dont think you can police privacy but Yousaf himself has explained the point of the bill and provided an example. People are overreacting and they know it. It's a political point for people to get the SNP with but only unionists in Scotland (and those with guilty consciences) are the ones really upset by this. If you went out to a restaurant or club with a group of friends and incited hatred, you'd be arrested. Why can this not be the same in your home if proven beyond reasonable doubt? If my Muslim neighbour heard his neighbour having a gathering and they were chanting "Kill all Muslims" would he not reserve the right to call the Police?


    How has this all gotten attention? Only unionists care about this here. Did some right wing shit do a hit on Humza or something? I seen something about Tucker Carlson that I thought was a joke.


    I am no SNP rabid fan and I think their record on hate speech is poor but I also dont think this bill is nearly as bad as people want it to be. People should be more focused on their absolute dogshit treatment of football fans and their acceptance of Transphobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    Do you read the Express or Daily Mail by any chance?

    Anyways, the bill will define what it means hence why the likes of Yousaf and others are listening to criticism and working with Free speech groups to get this right. This bill has been put together using reccomendations etc from lawyers specialising in hate speech etc. Humza hasnt hid from the media spotlight.

    I dont know exact figures but I am pretty confident the Muslim population of Scotland is probably the biggest "minority" so to speak at the very least. Havent seen the video but I am assuming itll be doing the rounds amongst right wingers who are very upset by it. Doubt Humza Yousaf is on a mission to eliminate white people in Scotland despite his flawed statements. Clearly not something I agree with but I dont view it as being as malicious as the pricks calling him a sand ****** and telling him to fuck off 'back' to scum paki land.

    Scotland is definitely left leaning and liberal but we still have massive issues with racism and bigotry. Especially against Muslim, Chinese and black people.

    I dont think you can police privacy but Yousaf himself has explained the point of the bill and provided an example. People are overreacting and they know it. It's a political point for people to get the SNP with but only unionists in Scotland (and those with guilty consciences) are the ones really upset by this. If you went out to a restaurant or club with a group of friends and incited hatred, you'd be arrested. Why can this not be the same in your home if proven beyond reasonable doubt? If my Muslim neighbour heard his neighbour having a gathering and they were chanting "Kill all Muslims" would he not reserve the right to call the Police?


    How has this all gotten attention? Only unionists care about this here. Did some right wing shit do a hit on Humza or something? I seen something about Tucker Carlson that I thought was a joke.


    I am no SNP rabid fan and I think their record on hate speech is poor but I also dont think this bill is nearly as bad as people want it to be.
    No, I do not read those.

    If you don't see the problem with policing what people are allowed to say in private, then I don't know what to tell you.

    To answer your question, we already have laws around conspiracy for murder and other planning of attacks as well as laws around inciting racial or ethnic hatred, so if they felt it was a legitimate threat then yes and he can do so now under current law. But if your muslim neighbour happens to overhear one neighbour say to another "fuck the muslims", then sorry, that shouldn't be a legal matter, unpleasant as it may be to hear.

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