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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler



    Day 4:

    Intercontinental Championship: The Miz (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler – WWE Backlash 2016

    Ah the feud that helped revive the career of both men, albeit temporarily in the case of Dolph Ziggler.

    The story of this match is all about respect. Miz felt slighted by a lack of respect from all parts of the WWE fans. How could a guy like Daniel Bryan, who now had his career seemingly ended by injuries, command more respect than the ten year veteran, Miz? Why was Dolph Ziggler lauded despite him being a constant failure, while Miz was the champion? It’s a great story and they play it off through the match.

    The match starts off with Ziggler using his mat wrestling which unfortunately is something that he hasn’t used enough in his career considering he’s quite an accomplished wrestler. From there Miz starts to control the match. This was, to my knowledge, the first example of Miz using Bryan’s trademark moves, which is such an amazing dickhead move. They might even have been tempted to run the whole match with just that as the story but what I liked most about this match is the story kept building, with Ziggler’s leg being the target of Miz’s offence. I’m not a fan of Ziggler’s selling usually, but Ziggler sells the leg well, and Miz helps with his surprisingly excellent and vicious offence. Thanks to the outside appearance of Maryse, Ziggler comes up short in another big match which sets up the rematch for No Mercy.

    This is an excellent match and off the top of my head would make the top 3 one-on-one matches of Ziggler’s career. I think these two have always had decent matches together, I remember them opening a Summerslam in a fun match. This was similar and structured like typical Ziggler matches with a lot of counters and false finishes. This is much the same but even better because of the added storytelling elements, which produced a surprisingly great match that would be one of my favourites from 2016.


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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    Even though the story wouldn't have been as good I'd have honestly preferred Dolph losing so I didn't have to see him anymore. Plus, Miz boasting about ending his career could have been golden for a little while. However, the end result with this match was still fine and it was a hell of a good one that actually made me care about Dolph for 15 minutes. Of course they did their usual nothing to follow up on it so I immediately stopped caring again and haven't since.

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    Day 5

    Kiss Me Arse Match: Dolph Ziggler vs. Sheamus – WWE Extreme Rules 2015


    After making his return the night after Wrestlemania 31, Sheamus came back to attack Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler and announce that he was sick of all the underdogs getting all the love and attention. It’s a story they’ve tried a few times over the years (see also, Baron Corbin) but WWE never seem to stick to it for one reason or another. Nonetheless, there’s this match which I forget how they set up other than Sheamus made the challenge because reasons? Before I start I need some American input here. Why are WWE willing to say “arse” but not “ass”? Coming from the UK there’s little distinction between the two, and neither are seen as bad words (apart from the fact that nobody where I live uses the word ass because it just sounds stupid when we say it).

    Anyway, as a match this wasn’t that bad. Ziggler starts off quite fiery, and Sheamus really lays in his strikes. It kind of hit a little bit of a lull in the middle as Sheamus took control, and I didn’t find it very interesting. I think a big part of that was the dead crowd, unsurprising given the stipulation, and Ziggler wasn’t generating much sympathy. Once Ziggler made his comeback the match (and crowd) picked up, and I loved his running forearms. Still its very same-y with Ziggler who by this point had his own formula and rarely diverted from it: Flop around – which works against a guy like Sheamus at least – hit explosive comeback moves, and near falls off them.

    As a concept, this is horrible. Like one of those “wow, I sure hope no non-wrestling fan walks in while I’m watching this” sort of thing. It’s like they took the shitty Rock vs Billy Gunn match from Summerslam 1999 and thought “how can we make this even worse?”The post-match is fucking excruciating, it’s unbearably long and just goes on forever and ever. That wouldn’t be as bad if the stipulation was followed through. This accomplished absolutely nothing and is one of those rare cases where both men look terrible coming out of it. Sheamus looks shit because his monster-heel run where he starts crushing vanilla midgets is killed in its first match with the loss. Ziggler just looks stupid because despite winning he has to follow through (sort of – if by kissing his arse you mean his forehead sort of touches Sheamus’ upper thigh) with the stipulation. So as well as making neither man look good, they don’t follow through with the stipulation and their attempt to compensate for that was terrible. If you think that neither man will look good coming out of it, and if you aren’t willing to go through with the stipulation don’t book the fucking match. The best thing I can compare this to is the JBL vs Cena first blood match back in 2008 where JBL ate a blood capsule in the finish of the match. In theory this should lead to Sheamus getting his comeuppance at a later date to fix this mess, but they can’t even do that right. Just an absolute disaster in every sense.

    If you want to see a stipulation like this done properly, watch Bret Hart vs Jerry Lawler or even Michael Cole vs Jerry Lawler from Over the Limit 2011.


    **3/4


    Bonus match later on, and I need a bit of therapy after this last review.

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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    Before I start I need some American input here. Why are WWE willing to say “arse” but not “ass”?
    I think it has more to do with the PG rating than anything else. Arse isn't really considered a bad word here but ass is, to a certain extent anyways. I'm sure Vince also thinks it sounds funnier than ass so that's probably another reason.

    Anyhow, yeah, the match itself really isn't anything awful but the entire angle and booking just suck something fierce. The crazy part is that I basically expected them to book it exactly the way they did, which I guess means I can apply for a job in creative.


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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    I didn't get chance to speak on it yesterday, but yeah the Backlash match is great and the start of a fantastic feud between them. I know you don't rate the No Mercy match as high as I do, but I would only have the Backlash match as my third favourite of theres.

    Isn't it 'kiss me arse' because Sheamus is Irish and that's the way the Irish would say it? That's actually based more in the 'me' rather than 'my'.

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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scQtab3NjUA

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    Dolph Ziggler vs. Sheamus – WWE Smackdown, 22nd June 2012


    Let’s not let the last match distract you from the quality these two can produce. A few posts ago I said that these two were two of the first names that came to my head when I thought of the increase in in-ring quality around this time period. I think this match captures that well. Sheamus in particular was the best wrestler in WWE in 2012 by some distance, and Ziggler would have easily made the top 5 for the company. Here you have a 12 minute match on the B Show, which at this point was not very important at all, and they gave us a really fun match.

    I think if people dislike Ziggler’s ping-pong selling I’d recommend watching this match. Because of the tremendous offence of Sheamus, it makes Ziggler’s bumping make a lot of sense. As you’d expect he takes a lot of big bumps for Sheamus, including a nasty looking throw into the barricade. What I love about this is that even though Ziggler isn’t known for his offence, especially compared to someone like Sheamus, he pulls out a lot of creative spots to try and stay on top of Sheamus. It’s the most surprising thing about this match is how much I liked Ziggler on offence.

    This is a terrific little TV main event, that I think with a few more minutes could have hit greatness. I think that’s a common thing for both these guys to be honest. They have really good matches, more than I can care to count, but how many truly great singles matches have they each had in their runs? Not a lot for either considering how long they’ve been around. Definitely worth a watch to see the chemistry the two of them had, but suffers from the fact that they wrestled so much that the matches tended to blend in together.


    ***3/4


    Tomorrow, another guy with a vendetta against vanilla midgets goes after Dolph.

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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    The Sheamus/Dolph matches of 2012 felt alot like the Kofi/Dolph matches.of 2010/11. There were just so many of them they sorta blend into one in my head.

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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    Haha you actually watched it. Yeah, zero point to that match.

    Sheamus and Ziggler have worked together well before though and I’m glad you covered one of their matches.
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    Re: 30 Days of: Dolph Ziggler

    I guess I just didn't understand why Dolph is in these kinds of storylines. To me, I think of him the same as I do assembly line wrestlers like Ted DiBiase Jr., not the "vanilla midget" trope that they constantly shove Bryan & co. into. I had completely wiped that kiss me arse match from my memory, and don't feel particularly happy recalling it now. Definitely a crowd killer for both guys waiting to happen. If I were Dolph or Sheamus I would have fought like hell to veto all that as much as I could because it really doomed both of them. Good that they had a standout main event though on SD to try to make up for things though. I've yet to see anything in this thread to convince me he was worthy of his original hype at this point but there's still a long way to go.
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    Day 6:


    Baron Corbin vs. Dolph Ziggler – WWE Money in the Bank 2016


    Why do I do this to myself?

    This is one of the many, many, many main roster callups that would immediately kept shoved into a feud with Dolph Ziggler. Presumably because they see him as a solid hand, but thanks to some horrible booking and an increasingly de-motivated Ziggler, all it did was kill any momentum of them right away. We’ll see later in the countdown but does anyone come out of a first feud with Ziggler looking good for it? I don’t care for Corbin but you can’t shove someone in a two month feud with Ziggler and just trade victories.

    Anyway, this is the Ziggler we’ve all come to know and hate. He’s in full on HBK cosplay at this point. His offence is really terrible (especially his strikes), and his idea of selling is non-existent here. I think, as well as his goofy as shit selling my biggest problem with Ziggler is that when it comes time to hit his moves it’s like all the opponent’s offence never happened. There's a way to make a comeback and there's a way not to, and I don't think Ziggler ever got that. After all his list of good matches as a babyface is significantly worse than his good matches as a heel.

    For a twelve minute match this feels like an eternity. It’s a similar length to the Sheamus match yesterday (the SmackDown one) and that one flew by. Crowd gets disinterested when Corbin is on offence and gives them a well-deserved boring chant. Ziggler is still good at piecing together counter sequences, but when Corbin has to control the match he gets exposed very quickly as the dull wrestler that he is. When the crowd are silent he does these stupid screams that are just annoying. I genuinely don't think there's anything at this point that Corbin is good at, and making the match this long with Corbin in control for so long was terrible booking.

    Awful match, not just because it’s these two and they are both terrible, but part of a larger problem which is that WWE did Corbin no favours. He got completely exposed here as a bland wrestler. If you compare WWE how they booked Corbin here to how they booked Braun in 2016: on one you had a guy running through fools left and right and not highlighting any weaknesses; the other was having extended PPV matches with a guy like Ziggler. Corbin’s biggest (only?) strength at this point was his cool finishers. So use that. But he can’t talk, he doesn’t look good, and he isn’t a good wrestler, so don’t expose those weaknesses and take it easy until he improves (like he has today).


    *3/4


    Tomorrow, a quick match that, when compared to this match, really show how much better Ziggler used to be.

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