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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    more thoughts:

    i love the intro dammit. the interviews make the show feel so much more important. hideo looked like a pompous prick as usual, and the luchas are badasses. pleased as punch to see murphy. i love andrews but he looks like a child next to nese . I enjoy Drake sitting in on commentary because of his enthusiasm. He doesn't get in the way of the commentary, but definitely adds some BELIEVABLE enthusiasm to it, which is key. Thought the first half was a pretty good match and the second half was a really good match so overall it was good stuff. Nese's heat wasn't really too exciting, though I appreciate him not just doing headlocks and chinlocks and working the mid section which led to the fun corner spot/gut buster that seemed to get the crowd into the match from around there on.

    I enjoyed that they made the match next week seem important. It's simple but effective booking. Drew still rules even when he's less goofy and instead a crazed dude. But big question: why the hell does Dasha hold the mic so weird? Fricken weird, man. I refuse to believe that Murphy is under 205, much less 197. He's like 340 pounds of pure muscle at least. I was worried the Ali/Cedric segment was going to be not so good at first but I really liked it. I can't believe people praise segments like Aries/El Patron when something like this was similarly done but much more effective.

    Main event time: I know I'll rate this higher than most but I absolutely loved this match. For so many reasons. Obviously the action was great. Lots of unique spots, which I always appreciate. A lot of people tend to be critical of multi mans because they're often a series of one v one matches but this had a ton of multi man action. Almost all of it looked great too. Also, the winner probably should have been obvious but I wasn't expecting him to win so that was a big plus too. Ultimately, though, the things I loved most about this was twofold: the stories and the sense of urgency. This match had a sense of urgency, especially from Kalisto and Tozawa. They just showed a ton of fire, constantly breaking up pins or trying to get the win, etc. They made the match feel important. Then the stories of the match and character work was done super well too. Again, Kalisto and Tozawa is most notable but it worked for everyone. Kalisto and Tozawa may be the peace keepers compared to their hot headed friends but the rivalry between the groups is real so as soon as the bell rings they went at it, and it was the theme for most of the match. Both guys wanted to out class the other. TJP was a very good douchebag heel and as the only official bad guy of the match, he was in the center of most of it. His shitty behavior was good and he was a fun spoiler for everyone. Then you have Murphy who has the most to prove out of everyone there. Both because of the way his career turned in NXT but also because of the tournament. Commentary did a solid job telling their stories too. I really recommend people check this one out.

    Really good show.

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    Both matches were strong, I wouldn't say I thought they were super great but everything was good. Agreed that Nese has improved in-ring, not really a great character or promo but in-ring I enjoy him, never liked him on the indies. Mandrews was good too but I laughed hard at Nigel saying Mandrews jumped "25 feet" in the air on the SSP. ***1/2

    Gulak's promo was good stuff, looking forward to the match, Gulak continues to be one of my favorites.

    TJP on the staircase. *thumbs up*

    Really enjoyed the Max Kellerman tribute segment. Felt natural, both men came across well & added onto a great match buildup. I would have WAY preferred this being on Raw instead of that lame match. I think people would have gotten into it.

    TJP was awesome in the main event, I loved his unique submissions and I can't remember anyone doing that House of Cards spot with TJP's surfboard. Nobody was bad but he stood out & this was a hell of a main event. ****
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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

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    Both matches were strong, I wouldn't say I thought they were super great but everything was good. Agreed that Nese has improved in-ring, not really a great character or promo but in-ring I enjoy him, never liked him on the indies. Mandrews was good too but I laughed hard at Nigel saying Mandrews jumped "25 feet" in the air on the SSP. ***1/2

    Gulak's promo was good stuff, looking forward to the match, Gulak continues to be one of my favorites.

    TJP on the staircase. *thumbs up*

    Really enjoyed the Max Kellerman tribute segment. Felt natural, both men came across well & added onto a great match buildup. I would have WAY preferred this being on Raw instead of that lame match. I think people would have gotten into it.

    TJP was awesome in the main event, I loved his unique submissions and I can't remember anyone doing that House of Cards spot with TJP's surfboard. Nobody was bad but he stood out & this was a hell of a main event. ****
    TJP is so fucking good. Really thought everyone delivered, but I can't argue you finding him to be the stand out. His spots are unique and a ton of fun (especially in the WWE environment) but he's also super smooth and he plays off everything very well.

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    Loved the episode. Thought Mark Andrews vs Tony Nese was a lot of fun to watch. Solid performance by both men.


    The main event was awesome though. There were many different stories that meshed very well in this match. TJP, as already said, was awesome. Loved his Indian death lock spot where he was beating on everyone else at the same time. That house of cards spot is probably my favorite moment this year.
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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    "That's a move 25ft through the air!" - Please, Nigel. You're better than this. Please let this be a pisstake of WWE commentators' inability to measure heights.

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    The first big test for 205 Live for me was going to be their first post tournament show, and they passed the test with flying colours. A couple of programs progressed, further elevating Buddy Murphy and a couple of real good matches.

    Mandews/Nese was good, Nese won me over in the match with Gulak. I'll never put him in the top half of 205 Live wrestlers I enjoy, but he's playing his role well.

    Ali/Alexander interview was hardly Rock/Austin building to mania 17, but ticked the boxes of what I wanted to see.

    Main event was great, one of the best TV matches of the year and I'm glad other people were digging TJP's performance and his unique double submissions on people. Really picked up in the closing stretch and Buddy couldn't of nailed his finisher any better catching TJP like that. Think he'll prove to be a fine choice of first opponent for the new champ (Ali).

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    I agree with the sentiment that the fourway was great, I was really invested by the end and that Surfboard/Senton spot was genius. Same with TJP's Gory Special/Surfboard spot. However, my least favourite aspect was Tozawa and Kalisto trying to convince us they don't like each other. "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" that each guy kept repeating while shoving each other as if we couldn't hear them so it wouldn't matter what they said, so it just came off embarrassing. My least favourite part of any multiman match is when babyfaces suddenly realise they have to fight each other. But here it's a little bit different because the babyfaces have beef already, yet can't seem to get past just shoving each other around.

    So that part was lame, but the other angles like TJP being a glorious dickhead and Tozawa getting his ass kicked most of the match before running wild, and Murphy keeping up with and eventually outdoing the cruiserweights were all good.

    Ali/Cedric interview was whatever, it was babyface opponents being babyface opponents. It neither decreased or increased my excitement for their match. We all know there's gonna be that moment in the match where they decide to stop being friends anyway.

    Nese/Andrews got better as it went on, really enjoyable by the end.
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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    Disagree about the Tozawa/Kalisto stuff. But I'm also ALL IN on their feud.

    Mitch/Jimmy King plz.

    I do hope post Mania they get Gallagher/Kendrick up and running again. While I'm all for tag titles, they obviously need to get teams situated. I respect they started that early, but still. The more you can have prepared in time for whenever you do the tag titles the better. Kendrick/Gallagher cutting their evil promos (and not CLOWN!!~ ones) will be a delight and they'll make good foil for the others.

    Plus I still hold out hope that Oney and Burch will arrive around whenever the tag titles or tapings start.

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    The ‘what are you doing’ from Kalisto was pretty bad when it was 10 minutes into the match and they had already been at odds for most of it.

    He’s trying to win the match, Kalisto.

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    oh and yeah i forgot to mention it but the nigel exaggeration was ridiculous but as someone who isnt much of a nigel fan, unsurprising

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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    I’m sorry I wasn’t here live for this Dookie

    In between my WWE Network acting up I tried watching this the best that I could. I enjoyed the Mandrews/Nese match and that main event was tons of fun. Good interview segment with Cedric and Mustafa.


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    Re: WWE 205 Live Discussion: March 27th, 2018

    So in an effort to catch up on the 205 Live shenanigans I missed, I'm watching one episode of 205 Live a day to get back on track. Finally caved and got the WWE Network, so that'll make my watching easier. Right, on to 205 Live!

    - Solid way to open up the first non-tournament 205 Live with GM Maverick on commentary to give Andrews/Nese an extra boost. Gives it the air that Drake lad gives a heft amount of shits about 205 and it's wellbeing, and with this being the first 205 after the tourney he's making every match feel important by having one be a kickass fatal-four-way - see below - and the other a high-stakes opportunity for revenge match with himself overseeing it. Even if it turned out to be a dull shit match, they at least made it feel important and necessary and a notable deal. Luckily for us it wasn't a dull shit match, it was fun and great and a nice serviceable opener. Mandrews is perfect for that sort of thing, and Nese is a very good base for him to do so against, gentle slaps sold as heartstoppers aside.

    - A face vs face sit-down interview wasn't going to set the world on fire unless in the most unique of circumstances, but the Ali/Alexander talk was alright enough. Hit all the right face-y promo exchanges, got each guy over as Good Dudes TM, nothing awful. Still, Ali's twitter promos eclipse this by far. Next talky-talk dramatic segment should be directed by Ali.

    - Akira Tozawa: *training furiously for a Very Important Thing, TM*
    Kalisto: *training furiously for a Very Important Thing, TM*
    Buddy Murphy: *training furiously for a Very Important Thing, TM*
    TJP: *slacking instead of training furiously for a Very Important Thing, TM*

    In one moment I never related quite so much to TJP.

    - Holy shit that Fatal-Four-Way was fun as heck. I loved the multi-man spots, very creative and highlighted a lot of the stories perfectly. TJP's submission specialist skills that made him the inaugural Cruiserweight Champion combined with his dickish showoff attitude resulted in the Gory Special/Surfboard combo on Kalisto/Tozawa, Kalitso & Tozawa's continued animosity - yo weren't these two the cooler heads in their respective teams? Get me Dorado vs Itami and they'll kill each other, the hotheads - resulting in Kalisto not immediately breaking a submission hold on Tozawa, because by kicking TJP he could cause more pain to Tozawa and he was willing to sink to that risk, and Buddy Murphy's overlooked cunning and brute strength that enabled him to tear through dudes like tissue paper. Fantastic main event, very fun and absolutely worthy of a rewatch. Bummed I didn't get to watch it live.

    The first 205 Live after the tournament reset is off to a great start, and I hope it continues this upward trajectory.
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