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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shock View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/w...T.nav=top-news


    This is a fantastic article that sets out a lot of the timeline of the Russia investigation since Trump won the election.

    Whether you think Trump worked with the Russians or not, consider this.

    Russia hacked, spread disinformation, and spread lies and propoganda in the election cycle. This is an undeniable fact at this point. This included a hack on the GOP, DNC and at least one prominent politician.

    In response to this I would want my leader to comment immediately, not two years down the line. And simply say "there was interference into our election by the Russian government. It isn't known what affect this had on the election, but we must do everything we can to protect our democracy and keep the integrity of our office". Then work on protecting future elections, and maybe put some sanctions on Russia

    Done.

    Instead Trump has tried for the last 2 years to discredit US intelligence; blur the lines of who interfered in the election and double down that any hacking made no difference; imposed no sanctions and never once spoke out against Russian interference.

    If that doesn't concern you as a citizen then I don't think you're paying any attention to what's going on.

    All this is in the small chance that Trump ISN'T compromised by Russia. But it seems very clear simply through his actions that something is very wrong there.

    I wouldn't call him a traitor yet, because we don't know for certain his ties to Russia. But I would say that all this shows him to be dangerously incompetent and incapable of defending his nation and its democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    But but but what about Obama??????

    I put up a video a few pages (actually its quite a lot) ago and it explained the Russia ties to Trump. It was on a Canadian show called the 5th estate. Its worth the 30 minutes.

    Also Trump loves dictators.
    You say that like it would be an illogical response in this case. Shock did say the President should have immediately said something and the President was Obama, not Trump when it happened.

    And it's been established that the Obama administration were definitely aware of its possibility.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicario View Post
    You say that like it would be an illogical response in this case. Shock did say the President should have immediately said something and the President was Obama, not Trump when it happened.

    And it's been established that the Obama administration were definitely aware of its possibility.
    Here's the problem though. Yes the Obama administration was aware, yes precautions should have been taken sooner, yes Obama has some fault in this.

    Now what did that accomplish? The man's out of office already. He has no impact on the current political landscape. What does it matter to go out of our way to make sure Obama takes a share of the blame? He's not the President and hasn't been for a year and a half now, it's not his job to make the American people aware of what's happening.

    It IS Trump's job, and he's known about Russian interference since before he was President. Why then has he spent a year and a half in office, as Shock quite perfectly put it, muddying the waters? He's President of this country, not Obama. He's the one who needs to be held accountable NOW. History will put Obama on trial for his part in this, we need to put Trump on trial for it now.



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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    Here's the problem though. Yes the Obama administration was aware, yes precautions should have been taken sooner, yes Obama has some fault in this.

    Now what did that accomplish? The man's out of office already. He has no impact on the current political landscape. What does it matter to go out of our way to make sure Obama takes a share of the blame? He's not the President and hasn't been for a year and a half now, it's not his job to make the American people aware of what's happening.

    It IS Trump's job, and he's known about Russian interference since before he was President. Why then has he spent a year and a half in office, as Shock quite perfectly put it, muddying the waters? He's President of this country, not Obama. He's the one who needs to be held accountable NOW. History will put Obama on trial for his part in this, we need to put Trump on trial for it now.
    I didn't say it would accomplish anything. But I wasn't the one who said Trump should have said something immediately when Trump wasn't even the sitting POTUS. If you're going to make that claim, it doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    I'm glad congress gave Trump a pretty big fuck you today, and made it clear Russia will not be able to speak with American diplomats (despite what Trump attempted to negotiate) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...plomat-n892771

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Inogenius View Post
    I'm glad congress gave Trump a pretty big fuck you today, and made it clear Russia will not be able to speak with American diplomats (despite what Trump attempted to negotiate) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...plomat-n892771
    Yeah, a ridiculous 98-0 vote. For once, the Senate is united in something. It's just unfortunate it's in these circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri View Post
    Yeah, a ridiculous 98-0 vote. For once, the Senate is united in something. It's just unfortunate it's in these circumstances.
    Probably the deep state at work.

    Right?

    RIGHT!

    Fuck, it's hard even doing an impression of a Trumplican.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Inogenius View Post
    Probably the deep state at work.

    Right?

    RIGHT!

    Fuck, it's hard even doing an impression of a Trumplican.
    A Trumplican? Is that a thing?

    Nah, I'm happy Congress actually accomplished something for once.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Inogenius View Post
    Probably the deep state at work.

    Right?

    RIGHT!

    Fuck, it's hard even doing an impression of a Trumplican.
    "It's those Liberal snowflakes at work! Real Republicans would have agreed with our glorious president! #MAGA "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri View Post
    "It's those Liberal snowflakes at work! Real Republicans would have agreed with our glorious president! #MAGA "
    They could say that if they wanted to, but it's a majority Republican Senate (and house for that matter).

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