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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostface View Post
    I think you also forgot the 14th amendment.

    I wouldn't call legal status a protected class, otherwise we wouldn't be able to treat criminal in general differently than we do those that don't break the law, but I'll let Dak fight this one.
    A quick lookup says they have been afforded protections under the constitution.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    And before this n00b 'Comeback Kid' tries to turn this into a racial thing (he already is ) illegal immigrant isn't a race. Someone of any race could be an illegal immigrant.

    If people do the right thing and go through the right procedures to come to the U.S. I have no problem with them. They are chasing the American dream.

    People who come here illegally and want to steal our resources? I have a major problem with.

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    Dak is literally the "THEY TERK OUR JAHBZ" guy from South Park just because Agent Orange got him all flustered that brown people are after his Merica.

    Hilarious how much he's changed and how he parrots whatever Trump says now, when just a mere 10 years ago he was excitedly voting for Obama. Going on about how horrible George W. Bush was and how he regrets voting for him twice.

    Then he did the same to Obama.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri View Post
    A quick lookup says they have been afforded protections under the constitution.
    I wasn't disputing that. They have limited rights under some amendments. I was referring to illegal immigrants being compared to a racial subgroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostface View Post
    I wasn't disputing that. They have limited rights under some amendments. I was referring to illegal immigrants being compared to a racial subgroup.
    To be fair, this is a touchy one. Does illegal immigrant mean in any way a race or is in of itself a race? Of course not.

    But, there are people who are going to not use it as a general term for all illegals, and strictly use it as a derogatory term for a group of people. You see dark skinned people being called such, with people not even knowing if they are from the USA or not. Similar to some people using the word "Thug" as a cheap way of using the N word without catching as much grief.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    That I'm not so sure. I imagine at some point it will be figured out in the Supreme Court within the next decade or so.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    If you're coming here from Norway or Iceland, I want you to do so legally.

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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    In my honest opinion, the best way to deal with the illegal immigrant situation is neither amnesty nor housing them. It is not the method that republicans want, nor the one that democrats want.

    I think working together with Mexico to go after the cartels would have been a far better solution. Address the route of why they are fleeing border states into the USA. The USA's failed war on drugs did nothing but light a fire under this issue, causing it to be worse. And the sky high prices of good cocaine that is bought up in droves by the wealthy is a driving force for this. The poverty, corruption, and violence is the key issue causing the exodus.

    For decades, the USA has bothered with issues that are not "Their own business" in the idea of trying to bring democracy and peace to middle eastern nations. We have spent a ridiculous amount of money on such, trillions upon trillions. And funding other countries in this effort.

    Why is it that a nation that is our ally and right next to us does not receive such help? Why is it we cannot be constructive about the issue instead of just trying to wall them off like an enemy, and we have people in this country whom see them as such?

    The mass illegal immigration is an issue. We all agree on that. But instead of a bandaid fix, why not address the route of the problem?


    And Ghosty, considering Norway's education system, economy, ridiculously low crime, and the fact that many Scandinavian countries will even house you and teach you their language as you go to school, as an immigrant, for free in their country, while working on citizenship? I don't see a real issue of them coming here in droves to lose out on healthcare, have a drastically higher crime rate, statistically much lower quality of life and happiness rate, lower education standards, and less chance of careers.
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    Re: The Civil NA Politics Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by v4yne View Post
    In my honest opinion, the best way to deal with the illegal immigrant situation is neither amnesty nor housing them. It is not the method that republicans want, nor the one that democrats want.

    I think working together with Mexico to go after the cartels would have been a far better solution. Address the route of why they are fleeing border states into the USA. The USA's failed war on drugs did nothing but light a fire under this issue, causing it to be worse. And the sky high prices of good cocaine that is bought up in droves by the wealthy is a driving force for this. The poverty, corruption, and violence is the key issue causing the exodus.

    For decades, the USA has bothered with issues that are not "Their own business" in the idea of trying to bring democracy and peace to middle eastern nations. We have spent a ridiculous amount of money on such, trillions upon trillions. And funding other countries in this effort.

    Why is it that a nation that is our ally and right next to us does not receive such help? Why is it we cannot be constructive about the issue instead of just trying to wall them off like an enemy, and we have people in this country whom see them as such?

    The mass illegal immigration is an issue. We all agree on that. But instead of a bandaid fix, why not address the route of the problem?


    And Ghosty, considering Norway's education system, economy, ridiculously low crime, and the fact that many Scandinavian countries will even house you and teach you their language as you go to school, as an immigrant, for free in their country, while working on citizenship? I don't see a real issue of them coming here in droves to lose out on healthcare, have a drastically higher crime rate, statistically much lower quality of life and happiness rate, lower education standards, and less chance of careers.
    My point is they're mostly white and I don't care about the color of someone's skin if they're here illegally. Illegal immigration isn't a racial issue.

    As for Mexico, I'm admittedly a hawk and interventionist. I have ZERO problem spending a few dollars to save them in the long run by fucking up Mexico's crime lords and drug operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v4yne View Post
    In my honest opinion, the best way to deal with the illegal immigrant situation is neither amnesty nor housing them. It is not the method that republicans want, nor the one that democrats want.

    I think working together with Mexico to go after the cartels would have been a far better solution. Address the route of why they are fleeing border states into the USA. The USA's failed war on drugs did nothing but light a fire under this issue, causing it to be worse. And the sky high prices of good cocaine that is bought up in droves by the wealthy is a driving force for this. The poverty, corruption, and violence is the key issue causing the exodus.

    For decades, the USA has bothered with issues that are not "Their own business" in the idea of trying to bring democracy and peace to middle eastern nations. We have spent a ridiculous amount of money on such, trillions upon trillions. And funding other countries in this effort.

    Why is it that a nation that is our ally and right next to us does not receive such help? Why is it we cannot be constructive about the issue instead of just trying to wall them off like an enemy, and we have people in this country whom see them as such?

    The mass illegal immigration is an issue. We all agree on that. But instead of a bandaid fix, why not address the route of the problem?


    And Ghosty, considering Norway's education system, economy, ridiculously low crime, and the fact that many Scandinavian countries will even house you and teach you their language as you go to school, as an immigrant, for free in their country, while working on citizenship? I don't see a real issue of them coming here in droves to lose out on healthcare, have a drastically higher crime rate, statistically much lower quality of life and happiness rate, lower education standards, and less chance of careers.
    So let me get this straight......you are proposing to Make Mexico Great Again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostface View Post
    My point is they're mostly white and I don't care about the color of someone's skin if they're here illegally. Illegal immigration isn't a racial issue.

    As for Mexico, I'm admittedly a hawk and interventionist. I have ZERO problem spending a few dollars to save them in the long run by fucking up Mexico's crime lords and drug operations.
    I'm not usually, but this is something I've thought would be, while a bit expensive up front, a long term solution instead of bandaid fixes. I see this as something that would be a much better long term solution for the USA and Mexico. In all aspects.




    Yeah, I know the point. I was just being catty. :P

    And Dak, sure. If that's the way you want to look at it.
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    Fixing Mexico's drug problem is a nearly impossible task that would cost billions of U.S. dollars and wouldn't guarantee results. Even if we did see results they would be very far down the road and wouldn't solve the crisis we face now.

    If we build an impenetrable wall, our problem is solved.

    The solution is clear.

    For good measure I would activate many more National Guard Troops to the border indefinitely to let would be violators know we are serious.

    The lackadaisical approach we have taken thus far doesn't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post
    Building a wall nearly impossible task that would cost billions of U.S. dollars and wouldn't guarantee results. Even if we did see results they would be very long term and wouldn't solve the crisis we face now.

    Science also dictates it would put over 7,000 species at risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by v4yne View Post
    Fixed.
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    The logistics of such a wall are much more unrealistic than taking out cartels, I can assure you. Just look at the variance in geographic and climates. It'd go through rivers and mountains.

    Even architectural experts have said it's near impossible.

    Yet alone under the ramifications requested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post
    Fixing Mexico's drug problem is a nearly impossible task that would cost billions of U.S. dollars and wouldn't guarantee results. Even if we did see results they would be very far down the road and wouldn't solve the crisis we face now.

    If we build an impenetrable wall, our problem is solved.

    The solution is clear.

    For good measure I would activate many more National Guard Troops to the border indefinitely to let would be violators know we are serious.

    The lackadaisical approach we have taken thus far doesn't do that.


    That's granted we solve the animal migration issue, because I do care about that. Should we be able to, I'm for both.

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    The animal migration "issue" is nothing more than melodramatic bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostface View Post


    That's granted we solve the animal migration issue, because I do care about that. Should we be able to, I'm for both.
    Science is fake news, though.

    Oh, look. Dr. Cleetus beat me to it. xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post
    Fixing Mexico's drug problem is a nearly impossible task that would cost billions of U.S. dollars and wouldn't guarantee results. Even if we did see results they would be very far down the road and wouldn't solve the crisis we face now.

    If we build an impenetrable wall, our problem is solved.

    The solution is clear.

    For good measure I would activate many more National Guard Troops to the border indefinitely to let would be violators know we are serious.

    The lackadaisical approach we have taken thus far doesn't do that.
    Okay, but what about people who fly in or take boats to get into America. Seriously, they'd just build a big fucking boat and come in at the dead of night.

    The problem will not be solved, and congrats, we'll be wasting upwards of billions of dollars on... well... a waste of time and manpower. Not to mention there are people who LIVE on the border and will sue the government's ass if they appropriate their property to build this eyesore.

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