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    Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Whose got it, whose tried it?

    Just got home and just had it done downloading. About to dive in.

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Got it, tried it. Liking it. Still some bugs. But, well, its a beta, so....

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    Got it, tried it. Liking it. Still some bugs. But, well, its a beta, so....
    What bugs have you hit?

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    The beta's out? welp goodbye weekend
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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Jon View Post
    What bugs have you hit?
    Nothing particularly game-breaking. Visual match engine issues. Things like that.

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    First time ever, I didn't bother to get last years version (2017) as I was kinda' still enjoying 2016 and just didn't have much time.

    However, I'll be getting this years for sure. So interested to see how people are enjoying it? Has much changed from 16's version? Who did people start with and why?



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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Not had an FM since 15 so may be time to try a new one haha. What kind of specs are needed to run the game these days?
    I have a plan so cunning......

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    There were a decent number of changes from 16 to 17, and even more from 17 to 18. Stuff like social media on FM17, which was not really game-changing but pretty fun. FM18 adds squad dynamics, medical center, and some other stuff.

    At the very least, worth giving the demo a try when it comes out.

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    I find it harder and harder to make the switch. Still loving my old FM 15 team. What’s the best new feature?

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Franchiser View Post
    I find it harder and harder to make the switch. Still loving my old FM 15 team. What’s the best new feature?
    Probably the squad dynamics. It creates an extra element to squad building.

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    not gonna buy FM, might buy it on mobile, but for now, I am playing Soccer Manager 2018 on mobile, very good free game. Very similar to FM, I'd recommend it. Can I discuss it here?

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    No reason not to, Decl.

    Haven't properly settled into a save yet. Had a test save with Lokomotiv Moscow, but that was mostly get a better feel for things, post-Beta.

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    I picked it up on Sunday.

    First save I've started as an unemployed past international. Took the Forest job in late October, stuck in 23rd, have managed to get them to 13th by January - a playoff spot may prove a stretch this season though.

    So far I've quite enjoyed the dynamics, probably the best of the new features this year. Not fussed on the new Scouting system, struggling to get used to it and not overly keen on the new medical centre either. Early days though I suppose.

    And he scores goals...!




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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    I'm quite liking the new additions. Squad dynamics is definitely a great addition. I still don't think there are enough interaction options, whether with player or media. Medical center is helpful in that it shows you who is at risk of injury, which wasn't as clear before. I like the new scouting system, although you still have to click through all the reports so it didn't exactly take away clicks.

    I'm in my typical "what to do" muddle. Lokomotiv Moscow is my go-to save now and I could keep going with that or start over. Yesterday, I started toying with a save with Ingolstadt. I rarely do clubs outside the top division, so that kinda appeals. But I do want to go back to South America at some point (Envigado in Colombia, maybe a save in Argentina), and Mexico (Pumas, maybe Lobos). The Netherlands is an old favorite. Its just finding which save to settle on.

    Biggest change for the way I tend to play is that its become all but impossible to sign newgens away from their clubs as soon as they are generated.

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    So considered starting a new save in Russia with Lokomotiv, but I'll wait a bit. Maybe until after the winter update. The club has a pair of 21 year old Russian twins - Aleksey and Anton Miranchuk. Aleksey has been one of the best prospects in Russia for a few years and is one of their best young players in FM. But Anton has emerged as a regular for Lokomotiv this season. Not a regular for Russia like his brother, but a good squad player. And he isn't that yet in the game. I could edit him but I'll wait.

    Instead of Ingolstadt in the 2.Bundesliga, I decided to head to Mexico. Rather than Pumas (who are one of the biggest clubs in the league), I decide to try Lobos BUAP. A university club in Pachuca, they were a shock promotion side last season and have sat mid-table for most of the season. In game, they don't have tons of talent and their facilities are pretty crap. So should be fun to build up. Without great quality, I probably won't use a Very Fluid tactic like I have tended to for the past couple of versions. Gonna go with a 4-2-3-1 deep (2 DMs, 1 MC, 2 wingers in the MC strata). Will have two versions - one with a press and one without. One of the two DMs will be a Segundo Volante, one of the new roles. Going to have to experiment with the roles of the midfield three - thinking an Anchor Man and SV as the DMs, and maybe a DLP-D as the MC.

    Mexico is a much more fun and interesting league than I ever realized. Really enjoyed the save with Pumas on FM17. Had a day-one newgen fullback that I played from day one, and had to sell him to Manchester United for like 20m after 18 months. lots of talented youngsters in Mexico, and pretty good finances so you can go after good players from South America.

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    Newcastle start with 10.75 million, Diame is valued at 17 million and Jonjo and Ritchie have had their passing stats decreased after getting promoted.

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    Re: Football Manager 2018 Discussion Thread

    just bought it on mobile. Started my normal save with United. Lets see how it goes!

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    You picked up FM Mobile, Dec?

    Newcastle having money and Ashley letting you spend? Clearly this edition of FM is very fucking broken.

    Day off from work yesterday so got partway thru the first season with Lobos. Doing pretty well, but don't know if that's going to last. I snagged a first-day newgen from the MLS who I have been using as a Segundo Volante. He's only 18 and he doesn't have great attributes, but he has the right ones and he's been excelling. A few goals from the DM spot and my highest average rating. The squad is pretty fucking limited though. I'm not getting a lot of goals from any of the strikers and none really fit what I would like up top. Assuming the side survives - should be pretty straight forward at this point, unless we really collapse - its going to mean a heavy rebuild for the second season. And not even by choice - three quarters of the squad are on loan players from other Mexican clubs. Of the players under contract to Lobos, maybe 4 of them have adequate skills to be starters in Liga MX. And two of those are mid-thirties and declining. So I'm not exaggerating at all when I saw I basically need a new squad for the second season. Lobos were a surprise promotion last year and didn't have the quality to compete nor the funds to build so the loans make sense. But its a short term solution.

    I've played FM since FM2005. I, like so many, have always focused on youth. Developing players is one of the most fun aspects of the game, and its probably more rewarding to see a player go from good 17 year old to world beating 21 year old than it is to win a trophy. That said, it took me a long time to really understand the idea of squad building. I have almost always managed bigger clubs (at least by that nation) and its only the past few versions where I've started to manage clubs that are at least a full step below the top in their given nation. Managing bigger clubs with a budget to spend, I've always targeted that edition's wonderkids du jour - starting with Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, Fredy Guarin, Vincent Kompany and Anthony Vanden Borre, Igor Akinfeev, and so many others. But I wasn't really squad building. I was just buying up talent. Sometimes I would bloat the squad horribly, because I wouldn't necessarily get rid of the existing players at the club. And I was targeting potential above all else - how they would fit never came into it. As the Match Engine has evolved, that has become less and less workable. I still go after young talent, but it has to be talent that fits what I want to do. How I want to play.

    I have not only learned a bit about squad building, but I also have more respect for the clubs I'm taking over. The existing squad might not be ideal but almost every play can have some value. So instead of signing up 10 or 15 under-23 year old players as soon as I take over a club and trying to sell half the existing squad, I'm more gradual. Tactical familiarity and now squad dynamics make such mass turnover more difficult to make work. But I'm going to have to do a mass squad overhaul with Lobos. I already have the American DM (5 stars baby) newgen and a couple others. I've just been trying to make deals for a couple of 4-star Mexican newgen prospects from smaller clubs. But the club only started with a 150k transfer budget and a million in the bank. That million is gone as we are operating at a loss. Home matches are drawing 10k on average, but average ticket price is $4, so.... I have no idea what kind of budget I'm going to end up with. I can't remember if the Mexican league pays a lot for prize money, and the TV deals are individual to each club. So a huge percentage of the operating budget is going to come from sponsorships, which flatly suck at the moment (based on the club being in the second division). Some new ones will come thru in about June of 2018, but that means I might not get a transfer budget until then. If I get a decent amount of money, this could be really fun. Mexico produces some great newgens, but not many will be good enough yet to really help the club. In previous Mexico saves, I've been able to bring in some quality players from Argentina - not superstars, but solid additions. So South American is going to be my main shopping market for quality additions. I was actually trying to buy Ze Roberto (yes, THAT Ze Roberto) from Palmeiras at the start as he was transfer listed, but I couldn't afford the contract he wanted. He's still an amazing footballer for 42 yeas old.

    A unique type of save I've read about a few times is someone starting up unemployed with a good reputation and simming the first season, then taking over a club that just got relegated from the top division in England, Germany, etc. The players are often unhappy and can be sold, and you also typically get a pretty good budget, so you can sell and rebuild with players with potential, have a season or two to mold them, and then end up back in the Prem or Bundesliga as a much better and different version. Something I've been meaning to try for about 3 versions of FM and just haven't yet. This.... will end up being a reasonably similar approach. I have the opportunity to build an entire new side with Lobos.... but I just don't know what I will end up with funds to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    You picked up FM Mobile, Dec?
    Yes, I did. I just passed Jan of the first season, so here is the background so far.

    League Placing: 2nd with 53 points from 24 games. 1 Point behind City.

    EPL Top Goalscorer: Lukaku with 29 goals ALREADY!

    Transfers In - NONE

    Transfers Out - Smalling to Watford (Jan) $7.25 Million
    Ibra to Watford (Jan) $1.4 Million
    Mata to Napoli (Jan)

    Lukaku has 41 goals altogether so far from 31 games. STAR.

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    A rant I posted on an FM site....

    Monday morning rant is probably going to get long, so apologies in advance. Probably more explanation than rant. I know anyone who does LLM has probably run into much worse situations than this.

    One of my last and favorite FM17 saves with Pumas in Mexico. I started watching and following the league, so figured I would try in FM and loved it. Pumas are a really big club, huge stadium, solid squad, great facilities, and good finances. Got some great newgens, including a rightback who started from day one and ended up going to Manchester United for 25m after 18 months. Played in the World Club Cup a couple of times and even won it once (suck it, Real Madrid). Had way more money than I bothered to spend. Had a solid Mexican core, some real nice young talent, and supplemented it with some solid players from Argentina that I got for bargain prices. Good times.

    Didn't settle on a first save with FM18, so I figured I would check out Mexico again. On a whim, tried out Lobos BUAP. Another university club, but basically the worst side in the Liga MX. They got promoted last season and really don't have the quality, the facilities, or the money to be competitive. So expectations are they will get relegated. Three quarters of their first team are on loan from other Liga MX clubs (not an exaggeration) and many of those who are under contract to the club are well over 30. In reality, Lobos have finished mid-table for the Aperatura, while Pumas have finished bottom (relegation is based on average points over 3 seasons, so Pumas won't get relegated). Gave me hope.

    The club started with a bit over a million in the bank, a transfer budget of 150K, and expectations of not to get too badly outclassed. Not even "avoid relegation". The transfer budget wasn't enough to bring anyone who could be an immediate upgrade (getting players from Europe is unlikely so its mostly looking at Mexico and South America) and anyone on a free that would be worthwhile simply wasn't interested in joining, even if I could afford them. I did sign veteran Colombian defender Oswaldo Mosquera, giving my center back pairing an average of like 35 years old. I tried to get Ze Roberto (yes, that one) who is still an excellent player despite being 42 years old but he wanted a big signing bonus and I couldn't afford it. I came up with a bit of a plan - try to scour Mexico and the US for some newgens right at the start and give them a bit of time through the season. Hopefully get a decent transfer budget for the second season, which can be used to reinforce the squad, again looking to South America for some solid vets. Much like reality, Argentina makes for a nice shopping in that regard. I use the "Add Players to Active Teams" trick, so there are always some first-day newgens to go after. Its become much harder and more expensive to sign them to contracts, but the United States remains prime hunting ground, because there are loads of youth academy style clubs where they are amateurs so they will still sign and its almost always compensation free. I found about 5 American player and 1 Canadian. But most didn't join immediately due to age (not 18 yet) and only 1 of them is close to being able to play right away. Also found a few Mexican youngsters at second division and below. While I couldn't sign them on compensation deals, I was able to negotiate relatively low fees for them.

    So we do well through the season. Not only avoid the bottom but make the playoffs in both the Aperatura and Closura. The side over-performs to talent a bit. The star is that 18 year old American DM who I have playing as a Segundo Volante. He scores almost 20 goals total, despite being below the level of the squad as a whole to start with. My mediocre Mexican striker does well and he's been called up to the Mexico squad for the World Cup. I started out playing more conservatively than I usually do, since the squad lacks pace and technical quality. The squad honestly lacks a LOT. But we perform reasonably well and I slowly adjust to more my usually style. The big problem thru the season is losing money. We have tiny sponsorship deals, our individual TV deal is miniscule, and while our attendance is solid (over 10K per match), that's still lowest in the league and tickets are cheap so its not bringing in tons of money. We hit the negatives before Christmas and end the season about 2.5m in the red. The board injects some money near the end of the Closura - like 100K. That helped loads - thanks guys. My big hope was the expiring sponsorship deals in June - got some pretty huge ones with Pumas, and while Lobos are a much smaller club, the club's reputation went up notably through the season. Finally reach that point and....

    ...fuck....

    After the new sponsorship deals and the league money, we are still 500K in the hole. I am thinking of trying to sell some players, but none have real significant value and I currently retain 0% of sales, so we are kind boned and didn't really progress as a club despite doing well in the first season...

    I finished my FMing last night by starting up a save with Pumas. But this morning, continuing with Lobos somehow felt more appealing. I have decent prospects at a number of positions now, but few are ready for significant match time yet. Besides the American DM, I had an American DC that got a few matches and a 17 year old Mexican right winger who over-performed to skill level quite significant and is progressing massively because of that. I can't really count on too many other young players overplaying their skill level so most will be rotation and depth talent. Leaves me in need of a leftback, rightback, DM, MC, and GK. I spent some time this morning trolling through South American clubs, looking for transfer listed players. Lots of bargains - solid players for a couple hundred K. But too pricey. Found a serviceable Brazilian LB for 37K, but that will use up most of my budget. So going to be stuck looking for frees. The wage bill will be less because the youth player are generally on lesser deals than the veteran players that were on loan. Should be playing in the CONCACAF Champions League, which doesn't bring in significant money but its something. Some Mexican clubs also play in the Copa Libertadores which is more money and more interesting, but have a feeling it will be the CONCACAF for us.

    /sorta rant

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