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    Let's Talk About Police in America

    Since police has been such a hot topic issue in recent years and the President Trump thread is for Trump specifically, let's talk about police here.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSto...ology-49572069

    This story is pretty crazy. Just another example of numerous lately of police either over stepping their boundaries or downright breaking the law. Thankfully this one didn't end in murder. It should be noted there are a lot of good people who are police. Like I always say, there are plenty of good cops out there. But if the good cops defend or don't speak out against the bad, they're in the same category as those doing wrong.
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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    Worth noting here is everyone just standing around and staring e_e This is a person a lot of them have likely been working for years, iirc, she'd been there since 2009. But they're all just chilling even if they're well aware that it's a wrongful arrest.

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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Snow View Post
    Worth noting here is everyone just standing around and staring e_e This is a person a lot of them have likely been working for years, iirc, she'd been there since 2009. But they're all just chilling even if they're well aware that it's a wrongful arrest.
    They did exactly what they should have. They are witnesses now. If they interfered, they'd be arrested for it. It was caught on video too. This cop is fucked.

    I will get back to this thread a little later as I collect my thoughts on Police over stepping.

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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    I cannot express enough how important it is for people to stop taking these stories that are blown open by the media.

    One bad apple spoils the whole bunch. I've met countless officers who are beyond everything that is good. They have higher ethics and morals than anyone. They're the ones that always do the right thing even when nobody is watching.

    They are the ones that run towards the danger when everyone else is running away. And they are the ones who would risk their lives without hesitation for yours no matter how much you criticize them.

    But like I said one bad apple spoils the bunch. You see one report about a human cop making the wrong decision from some random town from some random place, and to you that represents every man in blue.

    And most of the time you're only seeing snapshots of what happened. Like the Rodney King video that showed twenty seconds of a pursuit and fight that lasted almost and hour.

    It is the hardest job in the world to do what they do. To make the decisions they have to make with the time they have to make them. And that's coming from me, and outside perspective. From their perspective they don't care. They kiss their wives, leave their house, and they don't know if they will come home or if they'll be shot. If they'll be attacked by some radical police hater.

    Not to mention the intangible things they have to carry with them every day. The car accidents, the shootings, the domestic violence calls. And through that they have to play so many different roles. Lawyer, constable, psychologist, counselor.

    You people who sit there on your phones and write your big Facebook posts about how cops suck and they are all dirty and corrupt and there isn't a single good cop out there...just know that 99% of the cops are the nicest and most giving people there are. They will give everything for someone they don't even know without a second thought, and not because it's their job but because that's just who they are.

    In fact to say they do it for the job is funny because it's one of the worst jobs there are. It's terrible pay, you get no respect, you lose half your friends when you become a cop. Nobody wants to hang out with a cop when they party and drink. It's long hours, lots of training (even after the academy you're always training), you risk your life every day, and on top of everything the media scrutiny. Every call you're on people are taking out their cell phones and filming everything you do. Criticising you for those tough decisions you have to make when they have absolutely no idea what the situation is or what led up to it or the training they've had that led them to making that call.

    And yeah some times a cop does make a really wrong move. And they do need to be held accountable. But I think people need to ease up just a little bit. The cop definitely seemed like he unnecessarily escalated that situation, but like I said we only see a snapshot of what happened. So it's hard for us to sit here on the internet and try to act like we're high and mightly and would handle these situations so much better.

    Sorry, just the perspective of a Criminal Justice major. Law enforcement isn't a career I want to go into anymore. But I still study it, and I know what goes into it and what those guys do every day. More people need to respect the sacrifices those officers make everyday, no matter what your view on them is. Because they'll still jump in front of a bullet for you. Every single time.

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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    It's the same worldwide...you'll always have that odd one that does wrong, you'll always have the odd one that is corrupt, you'll always have the odd one that is in someones back pocket, it's part of life.

    In this instance, the most laughable thing about it is he's been placed on leave...if he's done that wrong surely he'd be at a direct firing stage?
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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
    It's the same worldwide...you'll always have that odd one that does wrong, you'll always have the odd one that is corrupt, you'll always have the odd one that is in someones back pocket, it's part of life.

    In this instance, the most laughable thing about it is he's been placed on leave...if he's done that wrong surely he'd be at a direct firing stage?
    Think that's the way they act in most cases and they still need to have a proper investigation no matter what. The leave seems like the auto safe act, I'd assume it's paid leave too?

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.9e980dc1cebe

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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    Sully I don't know what in the world compelled you to type all of that up. It seems to be targeting a completely different class of person who hasn't shown up in this thread. No one in here has criticized ALL cops, which is a silly stance only taken by the most idiotic of keyboard warriors.

    That said there is clearly an accountability problem when it comes to police, and there's nothing wrong with trying to make that less of a problem going forward. Yes it is a very tough, stressful, and demanding job but it's also an incredibly important job and we cannot cut officers slack just because they can't go drinking with their friends because of their job choice. The life and death of other people hangs in the balance of their decisions. If they cannot handle that, they should get a different job.



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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    They had some pretty decent hits.

    Probably Message in a Bottle and Roxanne are my favorites.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    They had some pretty decent hits.

    Probably Message in a Bottle and Roxanne are my favorites.
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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    Sully I don't know what in the world compelled you to type all of that up. It seems to be targeting a completely different class of person who hasn't shown up in this thread. No one in here has criticized ALL cops, which is a silly stance only taken by the most idiotic of keyboard warriors.

    That said there is clearly an accountability problem when it comes to police, and there's nothing wrong with trying to make that less of a problem going forward. Yes it is a very tough, stressful, and demanding job but it's also an incredibly important job and we cannot cut officers slack just because they can't go drinking with their friends because of their job choice. The life and death of other people hangs in the balance of their decisions. If they cannot handle that, they should get a different job.
    You're right nobody in this thread has, but I've seen it everywhere else so I just had to get it all off my chest.

    You're right we can't cut them slack, but we also can't crucify them without knowing all the facts.

    I'll comment specifically on the nurse incident later. The cop definitely could have handled the situation better, but I definitely think that the story is a little bit blown out of proportion, and to call what happened to be assault is definitely a far stretch.

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    She says she was screaming and "just trying to hold on to anything that was keeping me safe because no one else was keeping me safe."

    Wubbels says that before her arrest, the officer was agitated and angry as she explained that hospital policy prevented her from drawing the patient's blood without a warrant, the patient being under arrest or with their consent.
    Okay. I'm out of class so now I can comment specifically on this nurse case.

    She says right there herself that she was "grabbing onto any thing to try and stay safe"

    What SHE is describing she did is resisting arrest. At that point the officer has to use force. Dragging her out and force the handcuffs on her isn't assault. It's a reaction to her fighting with him, which she admited right there to doing.

    At the point where he decided to place her under arrest, she should have complied and then dealt with it at the station. From everything I've read it sounds like she and the officer were both being overly confrontational with each other.

    She was right to refuse but at the same time she went way too far. She should have just let that evidence get thrown out in court which it eventually would have.

    Instead she got confrontational with the officer and then resisted arrest. The way the officer arrested her may have been a tad excessive, but it was within his realm of authority once she started resisting. Watch an episode of Cops and you'll see officers who are forced to drag people the same way because they are fighting. It's like when your kid refuses to leave the toy isle in Walmart because you won't buy them the toy they want. You have to drag them out kicking and screaming.

    But with all of that being said, this officer messed up. It's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback him, but still that's what LEO has to do. Look at these stories and learn from them. The woman reported the officer as angry and aggressive. I don't know if that's true or not. I feel like most people who is end up in trouble with law enforcement describe the officers as angry and aggressive. She wasn't complying with what he was asking. However he should have gotten a court ordered warrant if she wasn't complying.

    I think too many cops need more training in psychology and counselling. They get a ton of it don't get me wrong, but I'm a double major. Criminal Justice and Psychology. Like I said in a previous post I have no desire to go into an LEO career, but I can't imagine the skill set I could bring with my knowledge of both Criminal Justice, and what I've learned from Psychology. Human emotions, behavior, adrenaline. How to deal with a situation like this without wrongly escalating it yourself.

    With that said, no matter what education a cop has...The goal for any cop in any situation would be to keep everything calm. If the nurse's point of view is accurate then this cop did the opposite. The more escalated a situation gets the harder it is to control. And he let things get out of control. He could have done a million different things. Talked to a higher up, he could have taken her aside and removed her from the situation and talked with her one on one. Anything would've been better than the rash actions.

    But that's not why it's in the news. Once he made the call to place her under arrest, she needed to comply. Go down to the station, tell her story and get out of it. Instead he actively resisted and force needed to be used.

    But like I said we are only seeing 30 seconds of a situation that lasted way longer and had different factors leading in.

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    Sting's solo work is pretty shite. Synchronicity II is my jam.


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    Ghost in the Machine for me, I love that album.


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    To bring it back to the topic at hand, Sting's "Fields of the Lord" makes me wish I were shot by the police in America.


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    To bring it back to the topic at hand, Sting's "Fields of the Lord" makes me wish I were shot by the police in America.


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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    Ironically enough I'm listening to Incendiary - Force Of Neglect whilst reading this thread. It's about a guy who was beaten to death by the police.

    I agree with the sentiment displayed by most in the thread in that Policeman, as a whole, are upstanding and hard working members of society and arez at heart, good people.

    I think the issue with regards to police brutalities and general ill advised behaviour is down to geography (rough neighborhood so they are inclined to "go overboard"), personal issues in home life spilling over, just bad people (but then again significant background checks should be done before giving some nutter a gun and power) or mental health issues

    I imagine the above is blanketed to every type of job but, ij the police especially, it's sensationalised and media hyped to the nth degree which causes mass panic, hysteria and general bedlam.

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    Oh and for the record I can't stand the Police. I preferred them when they were the Cadets

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    Re: Let's Talk About Police in America

    I was trying to come up with a snide comment about the direction this discussion has taken and how this isn't really a thread about THAT police when I realized "The Police In America" would make a really great band name.

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