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    How do YOU see the X Championship?

    So over the years, we've had many different variants of the division and how its perceived. The likes of Ryan Rondo and Devin Golden have given it sort of the high flying, young lions vibe to the division. Kazadi's reign as well as KAIZEN's have lent itself to more of a pure wrestling division. And then of course, theres the reigns of Vincent Blackbird and Jason Randall, which pushes a more hardcore narrative to the division.

    How do YOU see the X Division?

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    I dont like the "pure wrestling" narrative because that brings to mind more catch as can or technical style wrestling. Kazadi just didnt want gimmicks. You bring your own thing to the match and its just a straight forward thing. Better man wins.

    Anyways. I see it as the title mods didnt want to let me elevate.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Fair enough. Poor wording on my part.

    As to your second point, it can only be elevated so far. Theres still a tier in the FWA, much like most North American promotions. You DID elevate the X Division title, but after a certain point, when youre scoring 66's and the rest of the division is at 64 ( which is right about where most X promos average), its not doing anything for anyone...yourself included. I think Randall, too, is doing great in his role as sort of the leader of the division, and that the division is more competitive than it has been in a VERY long time.

    Parr is in a similar situation BUT then we got you and Belle and PAJ into the division with Starr and Humanity stepping up their game as well as Garcia still around, and now that division is as hot as it ever is.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    It should be a belt for characters with distinct in-ring styles (aerial, hardcore, super technical) so the feuds within the division can be based around those styles. It doesn't have to be for newbies and shouldn't be a "lower-division" title. It should fluctuate in quality and be more based on helping people with "old-school" wrestling characters use their personalities in a more gimmick-friendly environment.


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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    There should always be a tear system when it comes to titles, be it in efeds or the real wrestling federationss. As for how I see the X title, idk, I really have not been here all that long but I would see it as a mixture of everything (except maybe hardcore)

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    It should be a belt for characters with distinct in-ring styles (aerial, hardcore, super technical) so the feuds within the division can be based around those styles. It doesn't have to be for newbies and shouldn't be a "lower-division" title. It should fluctuate in quality and be more based on helping people with "old-school" wrestling characters use their personalities in a more gimmick-friendly environment.
    Definitely agree with Gold on this, cause while it used to be the "Entry Title" for the new people/characters, it shouldn't stay that way especially when new Female Characters don't [unless the Handler wants them to] go after the X Title before the Women's Title. So it definitely go away from being the "Starting Title" and be treated more like the US/IC Championships of the WWE or (these being Tag Titles is besides the point, but more of how they operate in conjunction with each other) DDT's 3 different Tag Team Titles, KO-D Tag Team/KO-D 6-man/KO-D 10-Man (or even DDT's Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship vs DDT Extreme Division Championship), or STARDOM's 2 Top Titles the World of Stardom vs Wonder of Stardom not to mention their two different Tag Team Titles. The X Championship should definitely be treated as somewhat of an equal to the North American Championship, just as the US and IC are equals and the above mentioned Championships in the respective Promotions.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanz gruber View Post
    There should always be a tear system when it comes to titles, be it in efeds or the real wrestling federationss. As for how I see the X title, idk, I really have not been here all that long but I would see it as a mixture of everything (except maybe hardcore)
    What's wrong with "hardcore"? :p j/k though I really am curious as to why you singled out "hardcore" like this.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    I disagree with this. The only reason the US and IC championships were made equal was because of the brand split. And then they kept them because of the suze of the roster. The FWA doesnt have that roster size or two brands. I wholeheartedly support a tiered system over making them truly equal.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Altyrell View Post
    What's wrong with "hardcore"? :p j/k though I really am curious as to why you singled out "hardcore" like this.
    Nothing wrong with hardcore matches at all, I love watching them, but I would think they would deserve their own title.

    I mainly see X being a bit like more technical wrestling mixed with high flying, lucha, Japanese strong style. I jut think hardcore should be a special attraction, special stipulations to a match. But that's just me.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanz gruber View Post
    Nothing wrong with hardcore matches at all, I love watching them, but I would think they would deserve their own title.

    I mainly see X being a bit like more technical wrestling mixed with high flying, lucha, Japanese strong style. I jut think hardcore should be a special attraction, special stipulations to a match. But that's just me.
    Well, FWA used to have a Hardcore Championship, it and the High Flyer Championship (iirc) got merged together and became the X Championship.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    It shouldn't be "equal" to the North American title. It shouldn't be based on tiers or quality of the RP'ers or anything like that. A WWE doppelganger is the old Hardcore title or WCW Cruiserweight title. Not in the individual styles themselves — the X title should include multiple distinguishable wrestling styles intertwined to create storylines feeding off those styles — but in that it's the anomaly within the rest of the fed. It's almost like a completely separate e-fed, with an entirely different culture than any other title or division in the company. The quality of the division can fluctuate — just like the Hardcore belt did in WWE (i.e. Kane winning the belt in the 2000s) — and work out fine.

    This is all conceptual and would take a lot more work laying the groundwork for that "culture," but if it's completed, creating this "anomaly" culture around the division would make the FWA leaps and bounds better than what it is now and (honestly) better than any previous version of the fed.
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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    It shouldn't be "equal" to the North American title. It shouldn't be based on tiers or quality of the RP'ers or anything like that. A WWE doppelganger is the old Hardcore title or WCW Cruiserweight title. Not in the individual styles themselves — the X title should include multiple distinguishable wrestling styles intertwined to create storylines feeding off those styles — but in that it's the anomaly within the rest of the fed. It's almost like a completely separate e-fed, with an entirely different culture than any other title or division in the company. The quality of the division can fluctuate — just like the Hardcore belt did in WWE (i.e. Kane winning the belt in the 2000s) — and work out fine.

    This is all conceptual and would take a lot more work laying the groundwork for that "culture," but if it's completed, creating this "anomaly" culture around the division would make the FWA leaps and bounds better than what it is now and (honestly) better than any previous version of the fed.
    So kind of like the X Division use to be in TNA? Aries, Joe, Christopher Daniels, Petey Williams, EY and many more different wrestlers with different styles could go after the X Division title.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    It shouldn't be "equal" to the North American title. It shouldn't be based on tiers or quality of the RP'ers or anything like that. A WWE doppelganger is the old Hardcore title or WCW Cruiserweight title. Not in the individual styles themselves — the X title should include multiple distinguishable wrestling styles intertwined to create storylines feeding off those styles — but in that it's the anomaly within the rest of the fed. It's almost like a completely separate e-fed, with an entirely different culture than any other title or division in the company. The quality of the division can fluctuate — just like the Hardcore belt did in WWE (i.e. Kane winning the belt in the 2000s) — and work out fine.

    This is all conceptual and would take a lot more work laying the groundwork for that "culture," but if it's completed, creating this "anomaly" culture around the division would make the FWA leaps and bounds better than what it is now and (honestly) better than any previous version of the fed.
    That was what I meant by equal, cause to me, it shouldn't be seen as a "step down" to go from going after the North American to then be going after the X Championship. It shouldn't be a "Division Locked" Championship either like the current 205/CW Title and what I meant when I used the Championship references was that a Tag Team in (ex) DDT shouldn't see it as being a downgrade or upgrade to go from going after the KO-D Tag Championship to the KO-D 6-Man Championship (& vice-verse). Similarly with the WWE, Neville went from going after the World Heavyweight/Universal Title to now being the Cruiserweight and leader of the division or even Enzo going from Tag Team Title hunt to Cruiserweight [not going into the backstage politics and everything that sort of led to it] but for them, those moves shouldn't be seen as a downgrade or anything because with Neville, sure he isn't going after WWE's highest Title(s), but he is still a Champion and Leader of a Division. Even look at guys like Cena, Miz, Seth, Dean, etc whom have held WWE's highest Title(s) and now Miz is IC Champion, Cena is essentially Hunter/Taker behind the scenes with his Seniority & everything along with being out of the Universal/Heavyweight Title Picture for who knows how long, Seth & Dean are Tag Champs, and none of them see it as being a "step down".

    That said, I know that I had issue when it got revealed that La Muerta Blanca was actually Chris Kennedy (in disguise) cause at the time I felt that Kennedy shouldn't have done that, that he shouldn't have been going after the X Championship. I could say that the reason was because it didn't make sense story wise (ie he wasn't "fired" and that was him "returning" [aka Hulk Hogan/Mr. America]) but that wasn't the reason why I had issue with it at that time. Now, and this isn't because I'm not an active promo'er, I would still sort of have issue with it if there wasn't an actual "story wise" reason for such a move. But to me, now, it would be similar to a FWA Women's Wrestler going from the Women's Championship to any of the other Championships even the Top Title.

    Essentially, the TL;DR version is the X Championship shouldn't be "less worthy" or seen as a downgrade, it should be treated & respected if a Wrestler were to go from any of the other Championships to it in the same vain that a FWA Women's Wrestler would be treated in going from the Women's Title to the FWA Title (or vice-verse).

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Powerful Sayer View Post
    I disagree with this. The only reason the US and IC championships were made equal was because of the brand split. And then they kept them because of the suze of the roster. The FWA doesnt have that roster size or two brands. I wholeheartedly support a tiered system over making them truly equal.
    Yeah I shouldn't have said them compared to each other, but more of, them being compared to say the Universal/World (or w/e the SD's Title is called now) Championships in that going from IC to Universal (vice-verse) or Universal/IC to Tag Title [as is the case for Seth/Dean respectively] and how it wasn't seen as a "downgrade" for them.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanz gruber View Post
    So kind of like the X Division use to be in TNA? Aries, Joe, Christopher Daniels, Petey Williams, EY and many more different wrestlers with different styles could go after the X Division title.
    I can't say for certainty as the merger happen prior to me joining the FWA, but my guess would be that that was the original intention of the X Championship and how it wasn't going to be just one singular Style [ie Hardcore] but more of a collection of styles, high flying/hardcore/etc. Perhaps it should go back to [or towards] that direction so that it would be able to showcase the talents of any & everyone involved.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Altyrell View Post
    Well, FWA used to have a Hardcore Championship, it and the High Flyer Championship (iirc) got merged together and became the X Championship.
    Ah make sense. Too many titles and not a big roster?

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    I like having defined tiers. I always had a lower card title/introductory title, mid card title and then main event title when I was running my fed. I don't think there's any harm in blurring the lines though by dropping a main event talent into the mid card every now and then or having a mid carder drop down to help boost the lower title. It keeps things fresh and mixes things up a bit. I used to have a gimmick on the lower card title for a while too where the person holding it come a certain point of the year would get rewarded with a world title shot.

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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    When I was head mod back in the day we always booked the X title as a title equal to the NA title but with hardcore/deathmatch stips. That seems to have gone to the wayside and now it's seen as just another midcard title.


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    Re: How do YOU see the X Championship?

    So, let's talk belt tiers, boys and girls.

    FWA World Title: The Pinnacle. The belt contended for to prove you are the very best like no one ever was. The title which should be the most sought-after prize.

    FWA North American Title: The Separator. This belt basically exists to help separate contenders from pretenders. While not every World Champion has held this title, it does seem like its holders tend to be in the mix for World Title contention moreso than not. It also serves as a validation title for former World Champions (recent titleholders Rondo and Kennedy for example).

    FWA X Championship: The "Make A Name For Yourself" Title. You're a new guy wanting that second look from the bookermen? Think your style of wrestling is totes awesome and should be glorified? This is your opportunity. Considering how differently past holders have treated their reign, this belt's got a much more fluid purpose.

    As far as "equal" goes, I think that's the wrong question to ask. Rather, what's each title's purpose and reason to exist.

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