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    Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?



    I talk about whether or not deathmatch wrestling is good wrestling. What are your thoughts on deathmatch wrestling?

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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

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    Pretty much.

    Haven't watched the blatantly advertised YT video but I enjoy what I watch of deathmatch stuff in BJW. It's nasty as fuck but there's something entertaining about these crazy fucks and their obsession with violence. It's good fun. But alot of people probably aren't into it because, to them, it crosses the line of wrestling being a performance into just being sheer lunacy for the sake of it. Obviously some people don't view it as 'wrestling' either. I find it to be entertaining, though so yeah I'd call it good wrestling. It's just not what you'd conventionally call 'wrestling' I guess.
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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    I tend to prefer traditional wrestling, mainly because it's better on the wrestlers health and longevity

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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    Pro wrestling is pro wrestling is pro wrestling. Whether that's flippy doo, deathmatch, "strong style", lucha, grapplefuck, etc. Some death matches are good, some aren't.
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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    Pro wrestling is pro wrestling is pro wrestling. Whether that's flippy doo, deathmatch, "strong style", lucha, grapplefuck, etc. Some death matches are good, some aren't.
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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    Not what I'm into but don't have an issue with it being good wrestling or not. Just like I don't care for torture porn or slasher style movies. Its not my cup of tea. Especially then knowing these guys are genuinely cutting themselves up and shit.

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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    Certainly would rather watch a fat redneck push a guy off of a 12 story building with a weedwacker through a bed of 100 light tubes than listen to another wrestling fan podcast.
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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    Being a huge fan of deathmatch wrestling without being a "blood mark" is a wonderful thing. When deathmatches are looked at objectively, instead of one of the two usual stances people take on it ("that's not wrestling it's just a bunch of untrained yarders hitting each other with stuff", or "he only lost 3 pints of blood, back in the good days they'd lose gallons, this new stuff sucks"), you can take the same things away from it as the other "genres" of wrestling. Take my two examples from above, for starters. The fans who feel the first way about deathmatches are easily comparable to the fans who disapprove of the high-flying flippy spot monkey style, or of the Japanese strong style. The fans who feel the second way are quite obviously reminiscent of the nostalgic Attitude Era diehards who are still living in the past.

    If you want to look at comparisons of the wrestling itself, look at the psychology. With the high-flying style, rest holds are replaced with things such as the "indie showdown" after a quick sequence of flippy stuff, or something similar usually. In a lot of deathmatches, the rest holds are also still there, but are replaced instead with the grinding of the sharp weapon to the forehead spot. Also, when it's done right, deathmatch wrestlers will often tease the spots for a while, such as whipping each other toward a glass pane in the corner only for the guy to "put on the brakes" at the last moment. Then there's all the limb-working, the crowd-playing, the comedy spots, the high-flying spots, etc. At the end of the day, deathmatches are just another genre of wrestling the same way that polka is another genre of music.

    And if anyone is wondering what I mean when I say "when it's done right"; I mean two things by this. One, if the promoter both knows how to book a show and isn't a total scumbag. And two, if the wrestlers are properly trained how to wrestle instead of just guys going out there, playing tough guy, and either getting hurt or sucking (or both). Anyone who pays any attention to the indies, specifically their local indies, knows that neither of these things is exclusive to deathmatches, either. I've sat through enough awful "old midcard "legend"" vs. "even older local high school baseball coach" matches to tell you that from experience. Just know what you're getting yourself into before you go to any show, and know at what level to set you expectations accordingly

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuShake Taguchi View Post
    Pretty much.

    Haven't watched the blatantly advertised YT video but I enjoy what I watch of deathmatch stuff in BJW. It's nasty as fuck but there's something entertaining about these crazy fucks and their obsession with violence. It's good fun. But alot of people probably aren't into it because, to them, it crosses the line of wrestling being a performance into just being sheer lunacy for the sake of it. Obviously some people don't view it as 'wrestling' either. I find it to be entertaining, though so yeah I'd call it good wrestling. It's just not what you'd conventionally call 'wrestling' I guess.
    Yea the deathmatches in BJW are some of my favorites. I like Japanese deathmatches more than i like American ones. Overall it's entertaining to me. I don't understand the notion that it's not "wrestling." I mean i see pro-wrestlers in deathmatches lock submission holds on each other. How is that not wrestling? Makes no sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austerio View Post
    I tend to prefer traditional wrestling, mainly because it's better on the wrestlers health and longevity

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    but as a fan for the art's sake, which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    Pro wrestling is pro wrestling is pro wrestling. Whether that's flippy doo, deathmatch, "strong style", lucha, grapplefuck, etc. Some death matches are good, some aren't.
    So true. I appreciate every type of wrestling out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darling Nicky View Post
    Certainly would rather watch a fat redneck push a guy off of a 12 story building with a weedwacker through a bed of 100 light tubes than listen to another wrestling fan podcast.
    hahaha go right ahead n do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin DeWinde View Post
    Being a huge fan of deathmatch wrestling without being a "blood mark" is a wonderful thing. When deathmatches are looked at objectively, instead of one of the two usual stances people take on it ("that's not wrestling it's just a bunch of untrained yarders hitting each other with stuff", or "he only lost 3 pints of blood, back in the good days they'd lose gallons, this new stuff sucks"), you can take the same things away from it as the other "genres" of wrestling. Take my two examples from above, for starters. The fans who feel the first way about deathmatches are easily comparable to the fans who disapprove of the high-flying flippy spot monkey style, or of the Japanese strong style. The fans who feel the second way are quite obviously reminiscent of the nostalgic Attitude Era diehards who are still living in the past.

    If you want to look at comparisons of the wrestling itself, look at the psychology. With the high-flying style, rest holds are replaced with things such as the "indie showdown" after a quick sequence of flippy stuff, or something similar usually. In a lot of deathmatches, the rest holds are also still there, but are replaced instead with the grinding of the sharp weapon to the forehead spot. Also, when it's done right, deathmatch wrestlers will often tease the spots for a while, such as whipping each other toward a glass pane in the corner only for the guy to "put on the brakes" at the last moment. Then there's all the limb-working, the crowd-playing, the comedy spots, the high-flying spots, etc. At the end of the day, deathmatches are just another genre of wrestling the same way that polka is another genre of music.

    And if anyone is wondering what I mean when I say "when it's done right"; I mean two things by this. One, if the promoter both knows how to book a show and isn't a total scumbag. And two, if the wrestlers are properly trained how to wrestle instead of just guys going out there, playing tough guy, and either getting hurt or sucking (or both). Anyone who pays any attention to the indies, specifically their local indies, knows that neither of these things is exclusive to deathmatches, either. I've sat through enough awful "old midcard "legend"" vs. "even older local high school baseball coach" matches to tell you that from experience. Just know what you're getting yourself into before you go to any show, and know at what level to set you expectations accordingly
    Very well put. I'm tired of the same old arguments like "this isn't wrestling..." as if deathmatch wrestlers are the only ones doing crazy stuff and not guys like Jeff Hardy or AJ Styles lol.
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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    I used to watch a lot of FMW and Wings, Big Japan and all that stuff in the 90's. I enjoyed it at first because I'd never seen anything like that. After awhile you become numb to it and it's hard to get into.

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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    I can't enjoy a match unless a needle gets put through a cheek or a weed wacker to the skull. Simple

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    Re: Is deathmatch wrestling "good wrestling" in your opinion?

    I kinda like the blood & gust wrestling, but mostly if it comes from a quality wrestling match. And while WWE doesn't currently do blood spots, I do like how many of the "Hardcore" elements have been from using weapons to enhance their wrestling moves.

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