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    NJPW NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Cards for the Kizuna Road shows and the G1 USA shows have been announced and so here's a thread to discuss any matches/developments from the shows. There will be three Kizuna Road shows from Korakuen Hall on NJPWWorld and these will also feature title bouts. I've listed them below - the full card is available in spoiler tags but I imagine most people are only really going to be interested in the title matches. These three shows will also have a G1 announcement - the first show will have the announcement of who's in the G1 Climax, the second show will have the announcement of the Blocks and the third show will have the announcement of matches and when they take place and so on.



    (G1 PARTICIPANT ANNOUNCEMENT)
    Tuesday, June 20th
    Korakuen Hall


    Main Event:


    NEVER Openweight Six Man Tag Title Match

    Los Ingobernables de Japon (BUSHI, EVIL & SANADA) (c) vs Taguchi Japan (Juice Robinson, KUSHIDA & Ryusuke Taguchi)

    Rest of card:

    Spoiler:


    Tomoyuki Oka vs. Tetsuhiro Yagi

    Shota Umino, Tiger Mask IV, & Jushin Liger vs. TAKA Michinoku, El Desperado, & Yoshinobu Kanemaru

    David Finlay & Yuji Nagata vs. Katsuya Kitamura & Manabu Nakanishi

    Satoshi Kojima, Hiroyoshi Tenzan, & Togi Makabe vs. Jado, Toru Yano, & Tomohiro Ishii

    Hirai Kawato & Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Hiromu Takahashi & Tetsuya Naito

    YOSHI-HASHI, Hirooki Goto, & Kazuchika Okada vs. Taichi, Davey Boy Smith Jr, & Minoru Suzuki

    ---

    (G1 BLOCK ANNOUNCEMENT)
    Monday, June 26th
    Korakuen Hall


    Main Event:

    NEVER Openweight Title Match

    Minoru Suzuki (c) vs YOSHI-HASHI

    Rest of card:

    Spoiler:


    Shota Umino vs. Tetsuhiro Yagi

    Tomoyuki Oka vs. Katsuya Kitamura

    Hirai Kawato, Tiger Mask IV, & Jushin Liger vs. TAKA Michinoku, El Desperado, & Yoshinobu Kanemaru

    Manabu Nakanishi, Satoshi Kojima, Hiroyoshi Tenzan, & Togi Makabe vs. Jado, Toru Yano, Hirooki Goto, & Tomohiro Ishii

    David Finlay, Ryusuke Taguchi, Togi Makabe, Hiroshi Tanahashi, & Juice Robinson vs. EVIL, BUSHI, SANADA, Hiromu Takahashi & Tetsuya Naito

    ---

    (G1 MATCH ANNOUNCEMENT)
    Tuesday, June 27th
    Korakuen Hall


    Main Event:

    IWGP Junior Heavyweight Title Match
    KUSHIDA (c) vs BUSHI

    Rest of card:


    Spoiler:


    Shota Umino vs. Tetsuhiro Yagi

    Hirai Kawato & Tiger Mask IV vs. vs. TAKA Michinoku & Yoshinobu Kanemaru

    Satoshi Kojima, Hiroyoshi Tenzan, & Jushin Liger vs. Tomoyuki Oka, Manabu Nakanishi, & Yuji Nagata

    Togi Makabe & Katsuya Kitamura vs. Toru Yano & Tomohiro Ishii

    David Finlay, Ryusuke Taguchi, Hiroshi Tanahashi & Juice Robinson vs. EVIL, BUSHI, SANADA, & Hiromu Takahashi

    Gedo, YOSHI-HASHI, Hirooki Goto, & Kazuchika Okada vs. Desperado, Taichi, Davey Boy Smith Jr, & Minoru Suzuki




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    The G1 Special in the USA will serve as a lead in to the G1 CLIMAX whilst also featuring a two night, eight man tournament to crown the very first IWGP US Heavyweight Champion. The first round of the tournament will take place on the July 1st show with the semi finals and the final on the July 2nd show. The shows are also set to feature IWGP Heavyweight, Intercontinental, Tag and Jr Tag title matches. It's also possible some more matches may be announced. Details are below incl. the bracket for the US title tournament.

    Saturday, July 1st
    Long Beach Convention Center Arena
    Long Beach, CA, USA


    Ten Man Tag Team Match

    Bullet Club (Bad Luck Fale, Marty Scurll, Matt Jackson, Nick Jackson & Yujiro Takahashi) vs CHAOS (Beretta, Jay Briscoe, Mark Briscoe, Rocky Romero & Will Ospreay)

    Eight Man Tag Team Match
    Dragon Lee, Jushin Liger, Titan & Volador Jr. vs Los Ingobernables de Japon (BUSHI, EVIL, Hiromu Takahashi & SANADA)

    IWGP US Title Tournament First Round Match

    Hangman Page vs Jay Lethal

    IWGP US Title Tournament First Round Match
    Juice Robinson vs Zack Sabre Jr.

    Eight Man Tag Team Match
    David Finlay, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Jay White & KUSHIDA vs Billy Gunn, Sho Tanaka, Yohei Komatsu & Yoshitatsu

    IWGP Heavyweight Tag Team Title Match

    Guerrillas of Destiny (Tama Tonga & Tanga Roa) (c) vs War Machine (Hanson & Raymond Rowe)

    IWGP US Title Tournament First Round Match
    Tetsuya Naito vs Tomohiro Ishii

    IWGP US Title Tournament First Round Match

    Kenny Omega vs Michael Elgin

    IWGP Heavyweight Title Match
    Kazuchika Okada (c) vs Cody


    ---

    Sunday, July 2nd
    Long Beach Convention Center Arena
    Long Beach, CA, USA


    Six Man Tag Team Match
    David Finlay, Jushin Thunder Liger & KUSHIDA vs Sho Tanaka, Yohei Komatsu & YOSHITATSU

    IWGP US Title Tournament Semi Final Match

    Kenny Omega vs Jay Lethal

    IWGP US Title Tournament Semi Final Match

    Tomohiro Ishii vs Zack Sabre Jr.

    Ten Man Tag Team Match
    Dragon Lee, Jay White, Juice Robinson, Titan & Volador Jr. vs Los Ingobernables de Japon (BUSHI, EVIL, Hiromu Takahashi, SANADA & Tetsuya Naito)

    Six Man Tag Team Match
    Michael Elgin & War Machine (Hanson & Raymond Rowe) vs Bullet Club (Hangman Page, Tama Tonga & Tanga Roa)

    IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Title Match
    The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) (c) vs Roppongi Vice (Beretta & Rocky Romero)

    Eight Man Tag Team Match
    CHAOS (Jay Briscoe, Kazuchika Okada, Mark Briscoe & Will Ospreay) vs Bullet Club (Bad Luck Fale, Cody, Marty Scurll & Yujiro Takahashi)

    IWGP Intercontinental Title Match
    Hiroshi Tanahashi (c) vs Billy Gunn

    IWGP US Title Tournament Final Match

    Semi Final Winner 1 vs Semi Final Winner 2





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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Anyone watch these shows? Pretty mediocre stuff all around tbh. Really enjoying the Taguchi Japan vs LIJ never ending feud as always, though. Keep coming up with ridiculously dumb spots it's brilliant.

    Six Man Tag Title match was fun. Suzuki vs YOSHI was very meh. KUSHIDA vs BUSHI wasn't as good as their BOSJ showdown. Can't wait for Desperado vs KUSHIDA now





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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Really it's this weekend. F********************************************k I'm away in the weekend I won't be able to watch the show to Monday. God f********king dammit.

    Oh well the show sounds good I can see Omega vs Sabre Jr as the final to be honest. Naito goes to the semis but LIJ/suzuki gun interference stopping Naito from beating Sabre.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    I'm going to give the US Shows a shot. I've never really gotten into the NJPW buzz but if anything might appeal to me it'll be this weekend.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    I hated that YOSHI-HASHI vs Suzuki match, such an utter waste of time just like the lumberjack deal. Suzuki might push for push be the worst wrestler in the world by association the last (3 years) year.

    The US shows cards are major disappointments. Gunn in the main event is not only terrible, but just sends all the wrong messages in their first big step in the USA. Cody is fine though Okada losing the title here would be a big mistake.

    I think Omega wins the US Title. Omega/Naito/Lethal/ZSJ win (Could see Juice as whoever loses is getting their win back later in Japan btw) - Omega/Naito final with Omega winning.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    I hated that YOSHI-HASHI vs Suzuki match, such an utter waste of time just like the lumberjack deal. Suzuki might push for push be the worst wrestler in the world by association the last (3 years) year.

    The US shows cards are major disappointments. Gunn in the main event is not only terrible, but just sends all the wrong messages in their first big step in the USA. Cody is fine though Okada losing the title here would be a big mistake.

    I think Omega wins the US Title. Omega/Naito/Lethal/ZSJ win (Could see Juice as whoever loses is getting their win back later in Japan btw) - Omega/Naito final with Omega winning.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Nah. He was a participant in the tag league last year but thats it really. He hasnt done much in NJPW.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Tig View Post
    Is Gunn a regular?
    He was on the new Japan rumble having a 5* performance
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    I know I'm a bitch ass mark and all...

    but I don't really get the card complaints for two reasons.

    1. NJPW seem like they're trying to attract a bigger audience beyond the standard NJPW viewers. They can't do that if the headliners are people not really known. Cody and Billy Gunn are known names and are very likely going to get some eyes on the product. I know, for a fact, my friends would rather watch Billy Gunn vs Hiroshi Tanahashi than Hiroshi Tanahashi vs SANADA or whatever, based purely on Billy Gunn being involved. People are more likely to check it out if they recognise the names. It's simply a way of getting eyes on the talent they will eventually push in the US by using Gunn's name.

    2. The event sold out quick as fuck without an announced card. That tells NJPW they can do whatever the fuck they want since they've made their money. Even better - there was extra demand! It's no skin off their backs and, at the end of the day, they're not hoodwinking you with false or misleading advertisement. They said certain stars would be there and they will.


    I think Tanahashi and Okada will carry their opponents to good matches. I also think the US tournament will be a blast. These events are getting shit on because of two "lacklustre" main events that are likely to be inoffensive at worst. I don't have high hopes for NJPW's US expansion but I think these events will be good.





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    totally agree. Even if you dot like the undercard the tournament will be good with great matches what set the outcome of them. It's unpredictable as well anyone could win so it's a plus
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Naito is at it again. Says he's putting the US title in the bin if he wins it.





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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    I think the cards are being trashed mainly because of Tanahashi/Gunn. Cody getting a shot at Okada at least makes some kayfabe sense because he's been picking up wins, booked fairly regularly and has the bullet club angle to play with; it sucks for the US fans, but at least they'll give Cody a lot of heat rather than running this match in Japan where I don't think the natives would have any strong reactions to, plus you couldn't rely on it to draw. Gunn getting an IC title shot is indefensible because he's 20 years past his prime, doesn't work regularly for NJPW and isn't even a big name draw to warrant a spot on this card. Gedo deserves criticism for booking Gunn in such a high position, but actually a lot of the rest of the card should be entertaining. The two tag team title matches will be over with the crowd, and the US title tournament offers the on paper GREAT matches that fans have come to love NJPW for.

    I don't think there's a cat in hells chance we're getting Naito/Omega as the US title final. Same reason I don't see it happening in the G1, it's a big match that's been protected and I don't think they'd waste it on a show that's already sold out. I also don't think Naito would lose the IC belt just before the G1 only to gain a less prestigious belt a couple weeks later. My prediction is another Ishii/Omega match seeing as they aren't in the same G1 block and they know it's a match that could be fantastic. Also Naito losing on night 1 means he can slip into a 5 on 5 LIJ match on the final night.

    Would like to see KUSHIDA put the belt on the line on night 2 also. Maybe against a CMLL guy.

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    Shake your two points kinda contradict each other. You're implying they need Gunn to get this bigger audience who wouldn't watch NJPW normally but also they sold out before the card was announced. Why did they sell out so fast? There is clearly an audience for NJPW in the USA as is.

    I have no problem with Cody getting a main event at all, I actually can see your first point being completely valid, and Cody's the type of person it could be applicable to and I actually think he'll be fine. The kind of person that kind of thinking is NOT applicable to is Gunn, who has very little positive name value, a lot of negative name value, and ultimately I know he doesn't help any because nobody watched a show for him in his prime when he got his biggest run, letalone now.

    Another point is that it is skin off their backs because this show isn't a success just because they've sold out. These are extremely important shows for their future in the US, you only get one first impression. Billy Gunn in a prime position

    makes the company look extremely low rent to have this lower midcard talent at best get a title shot. And just aesthetically, they desperately need this show to be excellent and have people talking going forward, and these shows are not show of the year contenders on paper at all. I would have had Okada/Omega do their draw at this show and had it been an epic night we'd never forget. Even a really good show might not be good enough.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Shake if you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it like The Legend Killer.

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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    I think the cards are good enough. I want the new Japan bigger stars having weaker opponents so they look strong to the new audience. Like Tanahashi for example there is no chnace that gunn is winning so Tanahashi looks strong in beating a star that a casual would watch for which helps Tanahashi and the normal product in general. the Cody Rhodes match I'm fine with Cody is becoming a big star in Japan and is the ring of honor world champion. He will also bring in the casuals and Okada again beating him makes Okada look like a beast to the casual audience. In addition it's the Ring Of Honor Champion vs the IWGP heavyweight champion when was the last time you saw that match up if ever.

    The torumont will obviously be the heighlight of the shows with matches like omega/Elgin that will be great then most likely a jay lethal taking on either of them. The juice/ naito rematch. I can see them having a omega vs lethal and sabre vs naito semi finals which shows that there are lots of things to be excited about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural View Post
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    I think the cards look great. Gun is an odd shout but I'm not going to get my blood pressure up about it. Cody is on a roll right now character wise and this is a great crowd to run that match. Plus a handful of good matches should come from this tournament.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Think it could be ZSJ/Omega in the final. The shows will be fine but I don't see any MOTYCs which they desperately need on their live TV debut.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Think it could be ZSJ/Omega in the final. The shows will be fine but I don't see any MOTYCs which they desperately need on their live TV debut.
    well unless they have naito vs omega in the finals which I also doubt
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    I'm kind of with Shake, I'm more positive going in as a first time viewer when I see recognizable names like Cody and Gunn on the card. Not that Gunn can really go or anything but familiarity is nice.
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    Re: NJPW Kizuna Road 2017 & G1 USA Specials

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero View Post
    Shake your two points kinda contradict each other. You're implying they need Gunn to get this bigger audience who wouldn't watch NJPW normally but also they sold out before the card was announced. Why did they sell out so fast? There is clearly an audience for NJPW in the USA as is.

    I have no problem with Cody getting a main event at all, I actually can see your first point being completely valid, and Cody's the type of person it could be applicable to and I actually think he'll be fine. The kind of person that kind of thinking is NOT applicable to is Gunn, who has very little positive name value, a lot of negative name value, and ultimately I know he doesn't help any because nobody watched a show for him in his prime when he got his biggest run, letalone now.

    Another point is that it is skin off their backs because this show isn't a success just because they've sold out. These are extremely important shows for their future in the US, you only get one first impression. Billy Gunn in a prime position

    makes the company look extremely low rent to have this lower midcard talent at best get a title shot. And just aesthetically, they desperately need this show to be excellent and have people talking going forward, and these shows are not show of the year contenders on paper at all. I would have had Okada/Omega do their draw at this show and had it been an epic night we'd never forget. Even a really good show might not be good enough.
    Well, they don't really contradict each other because not everyone watching is going to be in the sell out crowd. The sell out crowd are likely to be people who are super into NJPW in the first place and Gunn being on the card isn't a way to draw people to the arena because, as I said, they sold out before the card was even announced. In other words - they knew they didn't need to put on some amazing card to draw. The sell out indicates people are just showing up to see everyone they can since it's NJPW and whatnot. But it's definitely people who are aware of NJPW that obviously bought the tickets. I am not speaking about people who already know about NJPW, I'm talking about them trying to appeal to wrestling fans/casuals who are aware of Gunn's name but not necessarily NJPW's. It's going to hook some interest. I just think Gunn's there to get outsider people interested in a Tanahashi match/NJPW show on AXS or whatever. I don't think people are going to be in some sort of extreme rush to change the channel to see Billy Gunn but there are definitely going to be people who stop and watch out of curiosity to see how he's doing and what he's getting up to. And the familiar name working there is likely to make it easier for someone to want to watch everything else. The main goal isn't to shine a spotlight on Gunn, it's to get people interested in everyone else. And the fact there's some sort of outspoken criticism of Gunn in this position that's prevalent on the interwebs has gotten people interested in viewing the show out of morbid curiosity... so I'd say it's doing its job

    I don't think it's that much skin off of their backs because the main focus is clearly on the US tournament, anyway, and we all know that there's matches there that will be successful. If they're going to get the casual roped in then matches like the RPG Vice vs Bucks, BC vs CHAOS etc will help too. It's not like Tanahashi vs Gunn is supposed to be the focal point. I get the point about the show having to look great but the whole point of the shows are to establish the US title and get the tournament entrants over, IMO. I genuinely don't think they want people to come away from this show with the lasting memories being of Okada or Tanahashi but of the tournament entrants. It remains unclear what they're planning with this expansion but if NJPW are establishing a US base and dojo then I doubt Okada and Tanahashi are going to be the focal points of it compared to the tournament entrants. What if NJPW's focus is, to the american audience, to make the US title look like a bigger deal than the IC title? Especially if the US title is going to be THE title for the US expansion?

    I thought they would do Okada/Omega on this card but then I wondered why would they? NJPW's primary focus still seems to be on growing in Japan. It's not like NJPW have 'conquered' Japan yet and they aren't going to waste such a massive match like that on a show like this. As I said, they knew well ahead of time that they were selling this out. They wouldn't have been so sure of selling out Dominion, probably. I can't remember if it sold out prior to main events being announced but I don't think it was. I think Okada/Omega would've been a massive waste to put on a show like this, honestly. And it would have pretty much made everything else on the card almost irrelevant in terms of interest. I think you're either being overly pessimistic or pulling the plug too early. The shows are an introduction to NJPW for US fans. You give them Okada/Omega right away then you're setting the bar extremely high for subsequent shows and interest drop off is more likely. Especially if Okada or Omega aren't going to feature regularly enough in the US territory. Get their interest with a show that's likely to do well enough and watch the interest go on an upward trajectory rather than go straight downward when they realise NJPW only pulled out the big guns for the debut show.

    I guess what I am saying is that - these cards aren't constructed for just someone who is the typical NJPW fan. You're obviously free to complain about it but I think Gedo is justified in his booking decision here. Of course, I don't know his thought process and maybe I'm deluding myself into defending the booking decisions. Different opinions and shit but I actually think Gedo's been great other than doing the formulaic booking for things like BOSJ and stuff.

    I thought Okada and Omega weren't draws anyway?



    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural View Post
    Shake if you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it like The Legend Killer.
    caitlyn jenner should've been on this card, absolute travesty. where's eva marie ?
    Last edited by RainShaker; 07-01-2017 at 01:28 PM.





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