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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    In my opinion you need a stong top guy, casuals usually tune in becuase of one personn. Now reigns may scream star but he hasn't got charisma or mic skills to draw the casuals. He is way too hated for him to be an effective top guy but the problem is that they have basically sacrifced everyone else in order for Roman to get over.

    You need to fix the top guy problems before you fix everything else.

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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

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    Having the show focused non-stop and solely produced to make Roman the Universal champion is the big problem. I don't like Roman, but he does feel like a main event star. The issue really is that because things are more or less "set in stone", every other character on the show is pointless. Why should we get behind someone, if we know for a fact there is no chance for them to ever make it to the top on RAW? I remember about 10 years ago, when Edge was SmackDown! and facing the Undertaker, I was really behind Edge in every match because I believed he had a chance of beating Undertaker and becoming world champion. That is the beauty of pro-wrestling, which RAW is lacking. The possibility that someone could make it to the top, someone can get that world title, someone that you backed from their debut until that moment of winning the title. That's why Daniel Bryan's build to the WM win was so amazing, there was the chance and we were eager to see it. Nothing felt "destined", even though we did expect it to happen, it still wasn't certain. Roman vs. Brock for the Universal title seems destined and it's certain Roman will win. So then, why even care about Miz or Ambrose or anyone else? Their fans want to see them climb up the card, or even just know there is a chance. If your world title is completely locked down, it makes the whole show less fun.

    Where are the days of upper midcard stars actually getting title shots, teasing us that they have a chance - that they matter to the show? If - a decade and more ago - the world title was booked how it's been booked on RAW for the last few years, we'd probably have never gotten Edge, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Miz, Sheamus, Alberto, Rey Mysterio, Daniel Bryan, Chris Jericho etc. Some of those names I don't even like, but the fact that variety was there at least made us viewers believe that anyone that worked hard and got a push, had a chance. When was the last time a midcard guy like Rusev got a title shot? While in the past guys like Mr. Kennedy, Carlito, Chris Masters, John Morrison etc. got world title matches. The show just isn't fun anymore knowing that no one except the select few will ever touch the Universal title and I think that is the major difference in RAW and SDL.
    It can definitely feel pointless to get invested in any character on Raw besides Roman Reigns. Ultimately they just feel like pawns to further make him look strong. Its toxic booking. Even with Strowman who is the only reason to watch any WWE programming thesedays there's this feeling that ultimately the whole thing will just end with Roman going over and Braun in a dancing gimmick. And even guys like Balor and Rollins, despite the fact they're HHH projects ultimately have the ceiling of just being fed to Lesnar hanging above them. And all the heels will be fed to Roman at some point or another. It sucks the life out of everything when there's no suspense.

    And an issue with Raw is definitely that it feels like its for the chosen ones. Reigns, Rollins, Balor, Joe, now Alexa. Raw has this feeling that its just the land of Vince and HHH's chosen ones and everyone else is on the show solely to put them over.
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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    I've only been catching up on WWE through YouTube for about a year now.

    I haven't been missing much by the look of things.

    It was cool that they brought back Goldberg. They didn't do shit with him though, he should of had a longer match at Mania and should of carried the world title for a bit.

    He didn't really add anything to the product.

    The bulk of the problem for me is that most of the show is just filler matches that mean nothing plus the roster is extremely stale, I've been sick of New Day for like 2 years now and they STILL haven't disbanded yet.

    It's all mostly crappy 50/50 booking and boring uninteresting storylines.


    I would take WCW 2000 over this boring wrestling any day.
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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    I think the 3 hour length is a big issue, but to me the whole brand split was a bad idea. You literally have half the roster on RAW doing a three hour show--that's a stretch. You could do three hours if you had a full roster, but now you have a lot of mid card talent getting move TV time then they probably should.

    Personally I like Lesnar as the Universal champ. He's not on TV all the time, but I think that makes his title defenses that more important. It's more of an event when the title is defended--as it should be.

    Some of the writing is suspect but again your stretching a show that was fine at 2 hours into a three hour spot. When RAW was actually good you had the full roster squeezed into 2 hours. Now you have half a roster watered down into a three hour snooze fest. How could it be as good?

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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    To me the positives outweigh the negatives with the brand split. So many pushes and careers would be dead without the brand split. It forces WWE to push some under-utilised talents rather than just building the entire product around The Shield like it was in the couple of years before the new brand split.


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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    I hate the brand split. All is does is double the number of titles and water down the competition. You have the RAW champion (Universal) and the Smackdown champion (world champion) why not just one WWE champion? Your pushing mediocre talent like the Hype bro's and filling the show with fluff rather than tighten things up by adding matches from stars like Kevin Owens, AJ Styles etc. Ive watched RAW for years and even i'm getting bored by the WWE these days.

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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    Quote Originally Posted by frisco View Post
    I hate the brand split. All is does is double the number of titles and water down the competition. You have the RAW champion (Universal) and the Smackdown champion (world champion) why not just one WWE champion? Your pushing mediocre talent like the Hype bro's and filling the show with fluff rather than tighten things up by adding matches from stars like Kevin Owens, AJ Styles etc. Ive watched RAW for years and even i'm getting bored by the WWE these days.
    Tighten things up? Before the brand split, things were a gigantic mess. Sometimes the same match that was on RAW would be on SmackDown! and SD! would be a RAW recap show. A huge roster would be wasted as only a select few would have anything to do on RAW.

    The brand split makes things more interesting because other talents are getting a chance to shine. Baron Corbin, Miz, Breezango, Neville, and others have shown their potential thanks to getting more time due to the brand split. If it was before the brand split, none of them would have gotten anything meaningful.

    RAW's main problem is the booking. There is no long term goal or plan. Nothing on the show feels special or that it matters. I haven't watched a full episode of RAW in a very long time, I only YouTube and read the results because it has gotten that bad. Recently, the only thing that really caught my attention was the Goldust/R-Truth feud. It wasn't much exposure, but it got me interested to see the match. There needs to be more feuds like that, feuds that make me care. I've never cared about the Universal title because that title is basically reserved for Brock Lesnar and HHH/Vince's chosen only, so there is absolutely no excitement around that title since I know no matter how hard someone like Miz works, he will never get a run with it and I have a pretty decent idea of who will have a run with it for the next 5-6 years. Can you say boring?

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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    Quote Originally Posted by frisco View Post
    I hate the brand split. All is does is double the number of titles and water down the competition. You have the RAW champion (Universal) and the Smackdown champion (world champion) why not just one WWE champion? Your pushing mediocre talent like the Hype bro's and filling the show with fluff rather than tighten things up by adding matches from stars like Kevin Owens, AJ Styles etc. Ive watched RAW for years and even i'm getting bored by the WWE these days.
    The brand split did lead to people like Kevin Owens and AJ Styles becoming World Champions. Always likely, but a little less so with onl one World Title reserved for Brock, Reigns, Rollins, Cena and a chosen couple of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Legend Killer View Post
    Tighten things up? Before the brand split, things were a gigantic mess. Sometimes the same match that was on RAW would be on SmackDown! and SD! would be a RAW recap show. A huge roster would be wasted as only a select few would have anything to do on RAW.

    The brand split makes things more interesting because other talents are getting a chance to shine. Baron Corbin, Miz, Breezango, Neville, and others have shown their potential thanks to getting more time due to the brand split. If it was before the brand split, none of them would have gotten anything meaningful.

    RAW's main problem is the booking. There is no long term goal or plan. Nothing on the show feels special or that it matters. I haven't watched a full episode of RAW in a very long time, I only YouTube and read the results because it has gotten that bad. Recently, the only thing that really caught my attention was the Goldust/R-Truth feud. It wasn't much exposure, but it got me interested to see the match. There needs to be more feuds like that, feuds that make me care. I've never cared about the Universal title because that title is basically reserved for Brock Lesnar and HHH/Vince's chosen only, so there is absolutely no excitement around that title since I know no matter how hard someone like Miz works, he will never get a run with it and I have a pretty decent idea of who will have a run with it for the next 5-6 years. Can you say boring?
    Couldn't agree more, WWE before the brand split was just a never ending Shield fest in the Main Event with an occasional appearance by Cena or someone else. The split has meant WWE have to push other people, even just briefly. One roster doesn't mean "the cream rises to the top" it just means WWE's chosen ones and no one else get all the glory.

    Look at Miz, a directionless jobber for years and years when there was one roster. Brand split happens and he has one of if not the best year of his career and was up there with Jericho and Styles as the only good parts of WWE TV in 2016. And guys like Ziggler got to show some fire and passion again briefly, Strowman, Corbin, Uso's, Styles, etc. have all flourished because they get to be stars now.

    The issue with Raw is its still very top heavy. Apart from happens with the chosen ones (though even Rollins and Balor are kind of just there thesedays) nothing else really matters. The rest of the roster are just filling in the time, it definitely feels like guys like Miz while they can now get consistent TV time still have no hopes of being in a top spot. His 2017 has been a good lesson to the rest of the lockeroom on why you dont put in any effort unless you're told too.

    At this point though the question should be "what is the problem with SmackDown?". Because SmackDown is utterly meaningless TV thesedays where nobody and nothing feels remotely important.


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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    I would like to think talent like Owens and AJ would have risen to the top brand split or not. I don't agree that Breezango is anything special at all. I do like Neville--but again--he's in 201 which is almost like a third brand. 4 brands is you count NXT. I'm not saying that things were perfect even before the brand split, just that it was a better product. WWE needs better writers and an improved product also, but it would be nice to have the show without a million title belts around. It cheapens the value when of being WWE champion when there's 10 WWE champions are any given time.

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    Re: What is the problem with raw?

    I'll admit that I don't watch much wrestling anymore.

    But from what I've seen on RAW the last few years, here are some of the big problems IMO.

    - Scripted promos which don't give the guys a chance to improvise and truly be themselves

    - Matches laid out from start to finish rather than giving guys their finishes and letting them call the rest of the match on the fly in the ring

    - Start/Stop pushes

    - Mind-numbing, extremely long and often pointless talk segments

    - Feuds that aren't built so much on physicality as they are on chronic yapping

    - Lack of occasional blood

    - Lack of the occasional excessively violent angle

    - The arbitrary banning of certain moves but not others

    - The lack of selling and psychology

    - Treating the product as a joke and comedy show and then expecting fans to take certain aspects of the product seriously

    - The need for the permanent removal of all people with the last name McMahon from TV

    - WWE needs to quit being so beholden to advertisers, merchandisers and shareholders. This isn't about turning back the clock. But the occasional blood; hard edge angle; stiff, brutal matches; overall more serious product; etc. may help bring back some fans who have checked out over the years and drive up ratings, ticket sales and merch sales.

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