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    WWE TV-14

    I know what you're thinking: "Vince likes taking kids (or rather their parents)' money, theres no way they'll ever go back to TV-14". Well, you're probably right, but there is a possibility that things could go the other way. I've been thinking about this a lot recently and was able to come up with a few reasons why we could be seeing a return to the edgier, mature style of booking.


    1.) Vince is getting old

    Everyone's death is inevitable, and with his old age and the fact that theres a pattern of people in the wrestling business dying younger, Vince's time could be drawing near. Stephanie and Triple H are expected to take over. In this WhatCulture article, they state how Triple H will turn WWE into a more NXT-type Wrestling focused, internet fan-catering product which honestly sounds completely possible. However this could also mean a more hardcore product. I'll be honest: I don't watch NXT, at all. I plan on getting to it eventually, but for now I know very little about the product other than its more indie style. Most kids want to go to see big, flashy men/women pulling off their favorite finishers and doing ridiculous things, both in the ring and out. From the few times I've seen clips of NXT, the crowd doesn't exactly look like it's filled with little kids, and the product doesn't seem to focus on kids at all either, quite the opposite from the main shows. If we do see a more NXT-centric product with Stephanie and Triple H running things, it's very possible that kids could lose interest, allowing the company to go in whatever direction they want without much backlash.


    2.) The roster

    Ok, this one might be a little easier to explain: The Hardy Boyz are back on RAW, Brock Lesnar is the universal champion, Dean Ambrose is the intercontinental champion, Kevin Owens is U.S champion. All of these guys have hardcore backgrounds, some of them even in the WWE. Plus, there's other guys on the roster that have also had experience in hardcore wrestling, and with people now saying that the current roster is the hardest hitting roster that the WWE has possibly ever had could indicate that the change wouldn't be that hard talent-wise, they've got a lot of people who know what they're doing.


    3.) The product has slowly changed over recent years

    Even though the WWE claimed that the brand split last July was the start of a "new era", it sure hasn't felt like one. Though there's a lot of speculation as to how "new" the new era is, the show is not as PG as it was just a few years ago. You've got The New Day making sex jokes almost every time they're on screen, more swearing, and for a couple of weeks on SmackDown it seemed like the chairs were being pulled out frequently. These could obviously all just be coincidences, but maybe they're testing the waters.


    4.) Kids are gonna watch no matter what the product is rated

    I grew up during the ruthless aggression era (when the product was TV-14) and I would see kids at my school wearing wrestling t shirts and talking about wrestling. Sure, parents have gotten a lot more sensitive to what they let their kids watch and everything, but you can only make a show where people beat each other up a certain amount of PG. There will always be kids watching and its even easier for kids now to gain access to it with the WWE network and youtube and everything. Back in the day, all my parents would have to do was put a password on the TV and even then I figured it out eventually. Now, kids can go on anything with an internet connection and gain access to hundreds of hours of content. Now that I'm writing this it really doesn't seem like it has much to do with anything, but whatever.




    So those are my thoughts. I'm not saying that it will happen but I am saying that its a bigger possibility than most fans think. What you yall think?

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    Re: TV-14

    I don't think TV rating matters as much as some people think it does. NXT isnt rated TV-14, it just has better stories and matches. What would TV-14 actually affect? They get to say a couple more swears each episode? If you think that would make a show better, the okay, but I dont see it.
    Blood in matches, alcohol references, etc isn't PG vs. TV-14, that is based on sponsors and health issues.



    To emphasize why I believe rating doesn't matter; consider the movies Big Hero 6 (2014; rated PG) and The Room (2003: rated R) Big Hero 6 has likable characters, good pacing with an okay story. I would watch it a second time. The Room stars Tommy Wiseau who acts like he is trying to figure out how humans talk. I could barely get through one viewing.

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky View Post
    What would TV-14 actually affect? They get to say a couple more swears each episode? If you think that would make a show better, the okay, but I dont see it.
    Blood in matches, alcohol references, etc isn't PG vs. TV-14, that is based on sponsors and health issues.
    Honestly, it's not that I'm really talking about the quality of the product itself but more the creative freedom they would have with a more mature rating. I totally agree, PG doesn't mean bad, I just really miss edgy, hardcore wrestling. The reason I liked WWE in the first place was because it was a different form of entertainment. It looked to exploit the violence and taboo themes through its stories and in ring also. Again, you can only make a product that focuses on people beating each other up a certain amount of PG. In my opinion TV-14 just gives them more freedom instead of cutting corners to try and make it work as a PG product. But thats just me
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    Under no condition will the WWE ever go back to TV-14 if their advertisers do not want them to do so. That's literally the only reason why they are TV-PG now.

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Under no condition will the WWE ever go back to TV-14 if their advertisers do not want them to do so. That's literally the only reason why they are TV-PG now.
    A certain McMahon going into politics and getting heat for the not-so-family product WWE was putting out has a little to do with it.





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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggy View Post
    A certain McMahon going into politics and getting heat for the not-so-family product WWE was putting out has a little to do with it.
    I take it you didn't stand up for WWE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggy View Post
    A certain McMahon going into politics and getting heat for the not-so-family product WWE was putting out has a little to do with it.
    Eh, it was nearly year and a half after the WWE went TV-PG that she even announced her run for senator and another year before the election. I would say it was just more of a nice benefit of going TV-PG well in advance that the WWE didn't need to do further changes to try and help Linda's public image.

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    Re: TV-14

    I don't think it'd matter. You can have all the violence/sex/cussing you want, but that won't make creative storylines appear or better booking. If they went to TV-14 or MA with today's creative team, they'd probably be so reliant on violence/sex/cussing that there would be no substance to anything they do. The problem isn't TV rating, it's the creative team and bookers. They are idiots.

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by The Legend Killer View Post
    I don't think it'd matter. You can have all the violence/sex/cussing you want, but that won't make creative storylines appear or better booking. If they went to TV-14 or MA with today's creative team, they'd probably be so reliant on violence/sex/cussing that there would be no substance to anything they do. The problem isn't TV rating, it's the creative team and bookers. They are idiots.
    A positive for TV-14 rating is that it can make terrible WWE writing at least entertaining.

    Especially how Vince likes to have the writers, write mostly terrible comedy skits into the shows. Back when WWE was TV-14 they actually had some good immature humour every now and then, now days all their attempts at humour are just boring silly fart and poop jokes and crap like Dean Ambrose spraying people with ketchup. In TV-14 we get Mr. McMahon talking about his semen and mocking god and funny gimmicks like Beaver Cleavage and Val Venis.

    The comedy was much better when it was TV 14.

    There really is a lack of adult orientated storylines in wrestling. Everyone seems to care more about the wrestling matches than character development. Nothing is edgy or creative anymore it's all just the same.


    Yeah sadly I don't see WWE ever going back to TV 14 for the same reason why Raw won't go back to 2 hours. Vince only cares about the money
    Last edited by Shockmaster; 06-28-2017 at 01:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shockmaster View Post
    A positive for TV-14 rating is that it can make terrible WWE writing at least entertaining.

    Especially how Vince likes to have the writers, write mostly terrible comedy skits into the shows. Back when WWE was TV-14 they actually had some good immature humour every now and then, now days all their attempts at humour are just boring silly fart and poop jokes and crap like Dean Ambrose spraying people with ketchup. In TV-14 we get Mr. McMahon talking about his semen and mocking god and funny gimmicks like Beaver Cleavage and Val Venis.

    The comedy was much better when it was TV 14.

    There really is a lack of adult orientated storylines in wrestling. Everyone seems to care more about the wrestling matches than character development. Nothing is edgy or creative anymore it's all just the same.


    Yeah sadly I don't see WWE ever going back to TV 14 for the same reason why Raw won't go back to 2 hours. Vince only cares about the money
    The rating doesn't affect a single thing. You can have a good or shitty product at every rating level. It's not as if the moment they went TV-PG, the product suddenly got bad. As long as their main sponsors are not willing to work with them if they return to TV-14 rating, there's zero reason to even consider it.

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    The rating doesn't affect a single thing. You can have a good or shitty product at every rating level. It's not as if the moment they went TV-PG, the product suddenly got bad. As long as their main sponsors are not willing to work with them if they return to TV-14 rating, there's zero reason to even consider it.
    I can tolerate shit if it's at least edgy but not if it's made for kids.

    The product did actually get a lot shittier when the whole PG thing came into full effect.

    2008 was a good underrated year, with 2 great long storylines with HBK vs. Y2J on Raw and Edge vs. Undertaker on SD.

    Apart from CM Punk and Jeff Hardy the following year is when everything turned to shit.

    I'm sure the PG rating had much more to do with Linda's political career than sponsors as she was getting a lot of heat for the adult content that she was apart of.

    Which is now why they've turned into a complete PC corporation sucking up to the press. At least they used to have balls, now there're afraid to anything a little bit risky.

    Yeah unfortunately it's good business for them to be SJW Pussies. Unfortunately the business has now changed so that they no longer need to care about the quality of there product, asthe bulk of the money is from sponsors and TV rights.

    Heels can't be heels anymore, how are you supposed to hate them if they don't do anything a little bit offensive?

    All the best TV shows and Movies are not PG. People want to experience the violence and the taboos of the world.

    Film editing cutting out the violent scenes just doesn't cut it anymore.

    Would Pulp Fiction be Pulp Fiction if it were PG?

    Would Game of Thrones be Game of Thrones if it were PG?
    Last edited by Shockmaster; 07-25-2017 at 12:01 AM.

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    What does having balls have to do with quality? On the very next episode of Raw, they could have tits, blood, cussing, and obscene angles, but that doesn't mean it's going to be good.

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    What does having balls have to do with quality? On the very next episode of Raw, they could have tits, blood, cussing, and obscene angles, but that doesn't mean it's going to be good.
    Dak would beg to differ

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    What does having balls have to do with quality? On the very next episode of Raw, they could have tits, blood, cussing, and obscene angles, but that doesn't mean it's going to be good.
    It may not be good but It will be entertaining to watch.

    I'll much rather watch bra and pantie matches , barbed wire matches and necrophilia over food fights and farting Natalya's any day.

    I'll much rather watch Trish stripping down and barking like a dog over Baley any day.

    Bad TV-14 is much better than bad PG.

    Wrestling is much better when it's exploring the taboo themes of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shockmaster View Post
    It may not be good but It will be entertaining to watch.

    I'll much rather watch bra and pantie matches , barbed wire matches and necrophilia over food fights and farting Natalya's any day.

    I'll much rather watch Trish stripping down and barking like a dog over Baley any day.

    Bad TV-14 is much better than bad PG.

    Wrestling is much better when it's exploring the taboo themes of society.
    Or we can just get good TV-PG instead of having to pick between bad TV-14 or bad TV-PG and the WWE can be happy with all of the money they make.

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    Re: TV-14

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Or we can just get good TV-PG instead of having to pick between bad TV-14 or bad TV-PG and the WWE can be happy with all of the money they make.
    Let's face it WWE will never be consistently good, not with Vince micro managing everything and shows getting re written in the last minute

    good TV-14 is also a lot better than good PG.

    You can only push storylines so far in a PG environment.

    Guys like Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns and Kevin Owens would greatly benefit with having the freedom to let lose every now and then.

    Beat downs could mean so much more If they were allowed to bleed every now and then and were allowed to be more vicious with weapons.

    Heels could actually be heels and draw actual heat from the crowd instead of being cheered.

    No DQ and Cage matches would actually mean something.
    Last edited by Shockmaster; 07-25-2017 at 01:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shockmaster View Post
    Let's face it WWE will never be consistently good, not with Vince micro managing everything and shows getting re written in the last minute
    Sounds as if that's the real problem. Do you think that will change if the WWE suddenly goes back to TV-14?

    good TV-14 is also a lot better than good PG.
    That's purely subjective.

    You can only push storylines so far in a PG environment.
    Well that is technically true, it doesn't mean it has to be bad. Look at Randy Savage vs Hulk Hogan, one of the best angles in WWE history. It wasn't TV-14 and it came off so well because the booking was great. They didn't need TV-14 to push it further.

    Guys like Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns and Kevin Owens would greatly benefit with having the freedom to let lose every now and then.
    Sure, but a great talent can make anything work. If you can only be good in a TV-14 environment, I'd argue you're not actually good.

    Beat downs could mean so much more If they were allowed to bleed every now and then and were allowed to be more vicious with weapons.
    Eh, this has less to do with TV-14 and more to do with the safety of wrestlers. You can't exactly have guys hitting each other over the head with chairs anymore.

    Heels could actually be heels and draw actual heat from the crowd instead of being cheered.
    Do you think the end of TV-14 is what caused heels to begin getting cheered? It had nothing to do with it. Look at WM 22. The #1 heel in the company, was cheered over the #1 booked face in the company.

    No DQ and Cage matches would actually mean something.
    Again, nothing to do with TV-14. How can cage matches mean anything when there's always interference? Again, look back in the past when cage matches still meant something. The Owen/Bret cage match at Summerslam is credited as being one of the best matches from the 90's, but they were greatly restricted by the lack of blood. They made it work because TV-PG isn't the problem.

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    Re: TV-14

    As Disney have shown us, it is more than possible to create a compelling and emotional story in a PG environment.

    Bad writing and bad booking is the problem, not the TV rating.

    All good TV shows aren't PG. Whether this is true or not, have a closer look at it:

    People love Breaking Bad not because it's violent - even though it is. They love it because it has compelling, sort-of-realistic characters and fantastic acting. People wouldn't rave about Breaking Bad if we didn't care about Jesse and Walt.

    People love Mad Men, and that's not really violent or in your face about pushing boundaries. It's just a fantastic show because it has compelling characters and fantastic acting. People wouldn't rave about Mad Men if they didn't care about the host of quality characters.

    Game of Thrones' worst season was the one where they tried their hardest to shock the audience at every turn (season 5). Because that's not what made Game of Thrones good in the first place. Game of Thrones is great because the characters are great and we care about them. Tyrion's trial scene in season 4 (not the actual fight, the trial) was more dramatic than any other scene in the entire series so far. Yes the shocking moments help, but would we really give a shit about Oberyn's death if Pedro Pascal hadn't made us fall in love with the character?

    The Sopranos is only a great show because it has great writing and great characters. Nothing to do with the violence.

    The Wire was only a great show because it had great writing and great characters.

    These "best TV shows" aren't the best because they push the boundaries of television. They are the best because they are clever, interesting, dramatic, well-written, well-acted. That has nothing to do with the TV rating.
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    Re: TV-14

    Pros of pg tv: They get the good sponsor which increases there revenue, this means that they have more money for improving production values, they also are able t properly pay there wrestlers which helps them. Pg tv means that they get a younger audience which means they got a guarantee audience for about 5 years.

    But, however

    Cons: When the younger audience eventually grows up, the pg presentation will put them off and they will grow out of wrestling or go on to other alternatives. Even though they got more revenue and the better sponsors they don't get as much notoriety because they don't stand out. In the attitude era, they got famous due to them pushing the boundaries and having controversial content which meant that they got peoples interest and that grew their audience.
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    Re: TV-14

    There's gonna be pros and cons to whatever the product is rated but I don't think it needs to be TV 14 to be enjoyable. I rather the focus be on actual wrestling instead of garbage hardcore skits and t and a, I don't feel that you need to have Dean Ambrose saying "bitch" to advance a story

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