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    Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania may loom in the distance, but as far as Goldberg is concerned, Kevin Owens is next.

    Despite falling short in the Royal Rumble Match, the iconic former World Heavyweight Champion will, indeed, make one last run at a World Championship when he challenges Kevin Owens for the WWE Universal Title at WWE Fastlane 2017. Goldberg had previously justified his continued competition as the pursuit of a final title reign, and Owens inadvertently played directly into the stampeding veteran’s hands when he antagonized Goldberg on Raw, leading none other than Chris Jericho to accept Goldberg’s challenge on his “best friend’s” behalf.

    Jericho isn’t entirely wrong to be confident, but Owens has reason to worry: While The Prizefighter has proven himself to be a cunning WWE Universal Champion, several of his title retentions have come as a result of interference by Jericho or some other Superstar hell-bent on disrupting the action. With two straight shellackings of Lesnar under his belt, Goldberg seems to have returned to his WCW form, which means while Owens is next for him, this opponent may be KO’s “last” as champion.

    Tune into WWE Fastlane, live Sunday , March, 5, on the award-winning WWE Network, to see if Owens can survive or if Goldberg will Spear his name into the record books one more time.
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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    I can't get this feeling out of my head that Owens is still walking into Mania as the champ. Most thought that he'd lose at the Rumble but he didn't. And now again most people expect him to lose at Fastlane, but again, I don't think he will.
    Given the way Goldberg has been booked so far, then if he's going to win the title it's going to have to be in a squash match here. I don't see that happening, as it would dilute the title and it would dilute Owens. I think that we'll see Lesnar appear here and beat the holly hell out of Goldberg, costing him the match.

    So far, Goldberg has squashed Lesnar (giving him a 2-0 record over him) and he's dumped him out of the Rumble in humiliating fashion. I think Lesnar needs to get even somehow, and having him come out, blindside Goldberg after the bell rings and beat him up so that Owens can pin him would serve that purpose. It would make people think twice about what the outcome will be at Mania. Also, having Owens beat Goldberg gives Owens something else to brag about, and could lead to an Owens vs Lesnar math down the line perhaps.
    On top of this, I just don't see Goldberg or Lesnar as the champion post-Mania. Mania is sure to be Goldberg's last match (I could see a scenario of him vacating the title the next night on Raw or something perhaps) and I just don't see Lesnar as the champion at this point.

    So I'm going to go against the grain here and say that Owens will retain.
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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Owens has been such a shit champion that there actually would be something perversely funny in Goldberg squashing him and Jericho and taking the title, but this just feels so pointless and there's more to lose than to gain.

    My acceptance of Vince's decision to run with Goldberg/Lesnar as the Wrestlemania main event isn't going to be swayed by a world title being on the line, they've done more than enough to make these guys feel like the two biggest stars on Raw as it is. Goldberg and Lesnar having their own story and a marque match was fine, there might have been some indirect harm to the roster given everyone else felt inferior to him, but no-one was being actively buried by his presence, but now they've put Goldberg in a position where he's likely gonna beat the two men that Roman and Seth couldn't overcome. So that's Jericho, Owens, Reigns and Rollins, 4 of the biggest names on Raw that will all look like fools if Goldberg is the one to finally defeat Owens. In some respects it's a little like when Rock was the one to finally defeat CM Punk for the WWE Championship, not to elevate Rock who obviously didn't need any elevation, but because Vince wanted the title on the line in Cena/Rock II, but the harm is that made everyone who failed to beat Punk look bad because a part-timer managed to do it.

    Also the attraction of Goldberg/Lesnar at mania was that the time for fluke victories within a minute would be over and they would actually have a proper match, this could really expose that Goldberg shouldn't be wrestling long match and decrease people's interest in seeing him again at mania.

    Fuck Raw man.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post
    I can't get this feeling out of my head that Owens is still walking into Mania as the champ. Most thought that he'd lose at the Rumble but he didn't. And now again most people expect him to lose at Fastlane, but again, I don't think he will.
    Given the way Goldberg has been booked so far, then if he's going to win the title it's going to have to be in a squash match here. I don't see that happening, as it would dilute the title and it would dilute Owens. I think that we'll see Lesnar appear here and beat the holly hell out of Goldberg, costing him the match.

    So far, Goldberg has squashed Lesnar (giving him a 2-0 record over him) and he's dumped him out of the Rumble in humiliating fashion. I think Lesnar needs to get even somehow, and having him come out, blindside Goldberg after the bell rings and beat him up so that Owens can pin him would serve that purpose. It would make people think twice about what the outcome will be at Mania. Also, having Owens beat Goldberg gives Owens something else to brag about, and could lead to an Owens vs Lesnar math down the line perhaps.
    On top of this, I just don't see Goldberg or Lesnar as the champion post-Mania. Mania is sure to be Goldberg's last match (I could see a scenario of him vacating the title the next night on Raw or something perhaps) and I just don't see Lesnar as the champion at this point.

    So I'm going to go against the grain here and say that Owens will retain.
    The only reason for Brock attacking Goldberg here though, would be to force Goldberg into accepting his challenge. He's already done that. If Goldberg had come out on Monday and said, "I'm sorry Brock but there's no upside for me on this deal, I've beat you twice in the middle of the ring and I eliminated you from the Royal Rumble match, you have nothing you can beat me with and my focus now is winning the Universal title and reigning as champion for a long time to come", then I could see Brock interfering here... but now, all he'd be doing is costing himself a shot at the title and, more importantly to the story, a shot at taking the title away from Bill in the middle of the ring and holding it over him to cancel out those two previous victories and the Rumble elimination that Goldberg has over him. That doesn't make any logical sense.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    I don't think that Lesnar costing Goldberg the title here makes sense. If Goldberg wins the title then Lesnar has Goldberg AND a title match at Mania. It would have made sense if Goldberg hadn't already accepted the challenge but now I feel like we are going to have Goldberg win the title and drop it to Bork. And hooray, a part timer will hold the belt until SummerSlam! Because that's going to help the Raw main event scene.





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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    This will be the end of Owen's poor reign. Hopefully it's not a squash. Brock shouldn't cost Goldberg the match. Goldberg's already accepted Lesnar's challenge for WM so as Goldberg is likely to win the belt at Fast Lane, Brock gets a title match at WM. If Brock does get involved, he'll even up the odds by helping Goldberg against JeriKo. The way how Goldberg's been booked, he can handle JeriKo easily by himself. Owens to turn on Jericho the next night on Raw. Goldberg vs Lesnar for the Universal title at Mania, Owens vs Jericho for the US title at Mania.





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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    It's quite fitting that Owen's shit title reign will most likely end in the one match that he hasn't had any help from an outside source

    The WWE really have done a bad job as portraying him as a champ. He doesn't particularly suit a chickenshit type of heel, the main reason he got over in both NXT and on the main roster was because he talked a lot of crap and backed it up in the ring by himself. the whole "Prizefighter" stuff worked for him nicely. Instead he needed Triple H's help to win the title and needed Jericho's help to hold it every single month. Now he won't have Jericho's help and Triple H won't bail him out so unless Lesnar costs Goldberg the match Owen's is all but losing the title.

    Aside from that this will be an interesting test to see just how fit Goldberg truly is. I do question if he can go a long distance match so a solid 10-15 mins here could show some positive signs for Mania (where they virtually HAVE to have at least a 20 min match)

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by CGS View Post
    It's quite fitting that Owen's shit title reign will most likely end in the one match that he hasn't had any help from an outside source

    The WWE really have done a bad job as portraying him as a champ. He doesn't particularly suit a chickenshit type of heel, the main reason he got over in both NXT and on the main roster was because he talked a lot of crap and backed it up in the ring by himself. the whole "Prizefighter" stuff worked for him nicely. Instead he needed Triple H's help to win the title and needed Jericho's help to hold it every single month. Now he won't have Jericho's help and Triple H won't bail him out so unless Lesnar costs Goldberg the match Owen's is all but losing the title.

    Aside from that this will be an interesting test to see just how fit Goldberg truly is. I do question if he can go a long distance match so a solid 10-15 mins here could show some positive signs for Mania (where they virtually HAVE to have at least a 20 min match)
    Really? Goldberg/Brock HAVE to go at least 20 minutes? Please, no.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by CGS View Post
    It's quite fitting that Owen's shit title reign will most likely end in the one match that he hasn't had any help from an outside source

    The WWE really have done a bad job as portraying him as a champ. He doesn't particularly suit a chickenshit type of heel, the main reason he got over in both NXT and on the main roster was because he talked a lot of crap and backed it up in the ring by himself. the whole "Prizefighter" stuff worked for him nicely. Instead he needed Triple H's help to win the title and needed Jericho's help to hold it every single month. Now he won't have Jericho's help and Triple H won't bail him out so unless Lesnar costs Goldberg the match Owen's is all but losing the title.

    Aside from that this will be an interesting test to see just how fit Goldberg truly is. I do question if he can go a long distance match so a solid 10-15 mins here could show some positive signs for Mania (where they virtually HAVE to have at least a 20 min match)
    You must be crazy if you think Goldberg's having a 10-15 minute match with Owens at Fastlane. He's so far squashed Lesnar in a match that lasted less than 2 minutes and made very short work of Lesnar again in the Rumble. If he has any sort of match that lasts longer than 2 minutes then that's WWE saying that Owens can give Goldberg more of a fight than Lesnar can. Not happening.
    And if you think that Goldberg Lesnar is going 20 minutes at Mania then, again, you're dreaming. That match will be around the 10 minute mark.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood Dook View Post
    Really? Goldberg/Brock HAVE to go at least 20 minutes? Please, no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post
    You must be crazy if you think Goldberg's having a 10-15 minute match with Owens at Fastlane. He's so far squashed Lesnar in a match that lasted less than 2 minutes and made very short work of Lesnar again in the Rumble. If he has any sort of match that lasts longer than 2 minutes then that's WWE saying that Owens can give Goldberg more of a fight than Lesnar can. Not happening.
    And if you think that Goldberg Lesnar is going 20 minutes at Mania then, again, you're dreaming. That match will be around the 10 minute mark.
    I don't believehe is working a 10-15 min match. I'm just hoping he does so we can get an idea of just how long he can actually go in his current state. I'm very aware that we are more likely to get either Owens being squashed or see a swerve where Lesnar attacks Goldberg and Owens remains champ.

    As for the Mania match it's one of the biggest hyped matches on a show that is likely to go upwards of 5 hours if the company wishes. Factor in the potential for it being a title match, the main event of the whole show and the fact that Lesnar should really be getting his revenge we really should be getting a solid time battle. The survivor series match & the RR built up the story of "can Brock really beat Goldberg", now we need to actually see Both men go for it in a decent battle. Not another sub 5 min squash. Honestly from a logical point of view the match really shouldn't be less than 15 mins.
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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    The problem is that Lesnar looks like an idiot if he costs Goldberg the match because he will be losing himself a title shot at Wrestlemania if he does.

    I'm thinking that Jericho's music will play as soon as the bell rings and then Goldberg Spears Owens and wins like that. As mentioned above, if this match lasts any longer than 2 minutes Owens looks stronger than Lesnar which they won't want heading into WM.

    Jericho costing Owens is the only way that all involved come out looking credible, as Goldberg is expected to squash Owens anyway.



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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by CGS View Post
    It's quite fitting that Owen's shit title reign will most likely end in the one match that he hasn't had any help from an outside source

    The WWE really have done a bad job as portraying him as a champ. He doesn't particularly suit a chickenshit type of heel, the main reason he got over in both NXT and on the main roster was because he talked a lot of crap and backed it up in the ring by himself. the whole "Prizefighter" stuff worked for him nicely. Instead he needed Triple H's help to win the title and needed Jericho's help to hold it every single month. Now he won't have Jericho's help and Triple H won't bail him out so unless Lesnar costs Goldberg the match Owen's is all but losing the title.

    Aside from that this will be an interesting test to see just how fit Goldberg truly is. I do question if he can go a long distance match so a solid 10-15 mins here could show some positive signs for Mania (where they virtually HAVE to have at least a 20 min match)
    If this match goes longer than the match with Brock I'll be suprised but if it goes longer than five-eight minutes I'll be downright out of my mind with shock. No matter what they throw out there to protect Goldberg while also delivering something worthwhile without completely destroying Owens momentum (a reach at this point) they can't have this one go too long without exposing how out of condition Bill actually is.

    As for the Lesnar match, over ten minutes is possible/probable, over fifteen is a stretch.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    TWG's idea of Jericho distracting Owens straight from the get go meaning Goldberg can capitalise and squash him sounds like the best possible solution (Incredible how Owens getting squashed is the only way to truly protect everyone in this match ).

    As unlikely as it may be (and despite how awful it may be) I still feel they need to have a match of at least 15 mins at Wrestlemania. Unless Goldberg sticks around and they plan on continuing this past Mania.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    They booked themselves into a corner with Owens turning on Jericho pre-Fastlane. As great as that segment was it could have been done almost exactly the same after it.

    Regarding the the match time for Goldberg/Lesnar, it depends if it is on last or not. If they're planning something less than 10 minutes they can't close the show with that. But traditionally the Rumble Winner closes the show so the Smackdown title match, or even Reigns/Undertaker could main event. If Goldberg vs Lesnar is the main event, it should go for at least 15. They could put a No DQ stipulation on it to make it more interesting and allow for more resting between bigger spots if that's an issue for them.



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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    I'm a bit unsure this is definitely gonna be a Goldberg victory after Raw. The Jericho & Lesnar involvement ideas seem like red herrings to me, the real story is the interaction between Triple H & Owens on Raw.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    This is going to be an interesting and huge outcome one way or another... Personally, I don't like Owens' reign. It has done nothing for me. I don't want Goldberg to win it and give it to another part timer. We've been through that once before.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by Postman Dave View Post
    I'm a bit unsure this is definitely gonna be a Goldberg victory after Raw. The Jericho & Lesnar involvement ideas seem like red herrings to me, the real story is the interaction between Triple H & Owens on Raw.
    We can hope. I'd much prefer Owens walking into Mania the champion, than all the casuals and lasped fans tuning in and seeing Old Man Goldberg as the number one guy on the show.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Don't forget that conversation Triple H and KO had on Raw. Maybe HHH convinced Owens to dump Jericho because there's a different plan in mind.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    With a Goldberg win Owens can go back to where he belongs the midcard.

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    Re: Fastlane 2017 - WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens vs. Goldberg

    Quote Originally Posted by Necro View Post
    With a Goldberg win Owens can go back to where he belongs the midcard.
    LOL, why do you hate Owens so much? I feel like I missed a conversation where that was revealed.


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