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    January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Call me a big-ass homer, but damn, Jimmy Butler is definitely in my top-5 (along with Russ, Durant, Giannis, and Kawhi) for MVP if we went just by the "who is most valuable to his team" argument. The Bulls would have like 6 wins without him.

    Also, the Bulls should play the Cavs and Raptors every game. They'd go 70-12.


    1Cleveland Cavaliers 26 8 .765 - 18-3 8-5 3-5 19-6 109.8 103.1 +6.7 L1 8-2
    2Toronto Raptors 23 11 .676 3 11-5 12-6 5-0 13-4 110.3 103.4 +6.9 L1 6-4
    3Boston Celtics 21 14 .600 5.5 9-6 12-8 5-1 15-6 106.5 104.3 +2.2 W2 8-2
    4Charlotte Hornets 20 16 .556 7 12-7 8-9 6-1 13-12 105.6 103.3 +2.2 W1 6-4
    5Atlanta Hawks 19 16 .543 7.5 10-7 9-9 4-4 14-7 102.5 103.6 -1.1 W4 7-3
    6Milwaukee Bucks 18 16 .529 8 11-7 7-9 6-3 13-11 104.9 102.4 +2.5 W3 6-4
    7Indiana Pacers 18 18 .500 9 13-5 5-13 5-3 11-12 104.9 106.1 -1.1 W3 5-5
    8Chicago Bulls 18 18 .500 9 11-7 7-11 5-6 14-11 101.2 100.7 +0.4 W2 5-5
    Washington Wizards 16 18 .471 10 13-6 3-12 3-5 12-11 105.2 106.2 -1.0 L2 6-4
    New York Knicks 16 19 .457 10.5 11-7 5-12 1-3 8-11 105.3 108.4 -3.0 L6 2-8
    Detroit Pistons 16 21 .432 11.5 9-9 7-12 3-5 10-14 99.2 99.3 -0.1 L1 2-8
    Orlando Magic 16 21 .432 11.5 7-12 9-9 4-5 9-15 99.2 103.6 -4.4 L1 5-5
    Miami Heat 11 26 .297 16.5 5-13 6-13 3-5 5-16 98.4 101.8 -3.4 W1 2-8
    Philadelphia 76ers 9 24 .273 16.5 6-14 3-10 1-3 5-12 98.8 106.1 -7.2 W2 4-6
    Brooklyn Nets 8 25 .242 17.5 7-9 1-16 0-5 3-16 105.5 114.0 -8.5 L3 2-8

    Western Conference

    W L PCT GB HOME ROAD DIV CONF PPG OPP PPG DIFF STRK L10
    1Golden State Warriors 31 5 .861 - 16-2 15-3 6-1 21-4 117.5 105.1 +12.4 W4 9-1
    2San Antonio Spurs 28 7 .800 2.5 12-4 16-3 6-1 16-4 105.5 97.8 +7.7 W1 8-2
    3Houston Rockets 27 9 .750 4 14-3 13-6 6-3 19-6 114.6 106.7 +7.9 W5 8-2
    4LA Clippers 24 14 .632 8 13-6 11-8 3-2 17-9 108.2 103.0 +5.2 W2 4-6
    5Utah Jazz 22 14 .611 9 12-7 10-7 4-2 15-9 99.1 95.1 +4.0 L1 6-4
    6Oklahoma City Thunder 21 15 .583 10 13-6 8-9 3-2 11-8 106.2 104.9 +1.3 L2 6-4
    7Memphis Grizzlies 22 16 .579 10 13-7 9-9 4-0 14-7 98.8 98.6 +0.3 L2 4-6
    8Sacramento Kings 15 20 .429 15.5 7-8 8-12 2-2 11-11 102.3 104.6 -2.3 L1 6-4
    Portland Trail Blazers 15 22 .405 16.5 9-7 6-15 5-1 11-16 107.5 111.2 -3.7 L1 2-8
    Denver Nuggets 14 21 .400 16.5 7-10 7-11 4-5 9-12 108.3 110.5 -2.1 L3 5-5
    New Orleans Pelicans 14 22 .389 17 10-10 4-12 1-6 6-18 102.3 105.5 -3.2 L1 6-4
    Los Angeles Lakers 13 25 .342 19 8-10 5-15 4-4 8-15 104.5 110.2 -5.7 W1 3-7
    Dallas Mavericks 11 24 .314 19.5 7-9 4-15 1-8 7-16 95.6 100.7 -5.1 W1 5-5
    Minnesota Timberwolves 11 24 .314 19.5 6-12 5-12 0-6 4-16 103.3 105.0 -1.6 L2 4-6
    Phoenix Suns 11 25 .306 20 7-9 4-16 1-7 3-21 105.8 112.2 -6.4 W1 3-7
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Sub in Harden for KD and you have my top five most likely. I don't see how you can bring up the "most valuable to his team" statement and then not include him. The Warriors would be in the same position they have been for the last 2-3 years without him. Probably not as good as last year obviously as that was quite the anomaly, but how you can't include Harden is baffling. Do you really think the Rockets would be 27-9, let alone the 3rd seed in the west? That is the definition of a .500 team, if not sub-.500, without him.

    edit- FYI so far I'd go

    1. Russ
    2. Harden
    3. Giannis
    4. Jimmy
    5. Kawhi
    -----
    6. LeBron
    7. DeRozan
    8. KD
    9. Thomas
    10. AD
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by PeepShow View Post
    Sub in Harden for KD and you have my top five most likely. I don't see how you can bring up the "most valuable to his team" statement and then not include him. The Warriors would be in the same position they have been for the last 2-3 years without him. Probably not as good as last year obviously as that was quite the anomaly, but how you can't include Harden is baffling. Do you really think the Rockets would be 27-9, let alone the 3rd seed in the west? That is the definition of a .500 team, if not sub-.500, without him.

    edit- FYI so far I'd go

    1. Russ
    2. Harden
    3. Giannis
    4. Jimmy
    5. Kawhi
    -----
    6. LeBron
    7. DeRozan
    8. KD
    9. Thomas
    10. AD
    I learned from WC two years ago that James Harden is shit and Kevin Love is a demigod. #NeverForgetMyGreatestPostEver

    In all seriousness, I simply forgot Harden when thinking of my top 5. He's definitely in ahead of Durant.
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    I know we're still a month away from the ASG, but here is who I'd like to see on the rosters.

    West
    Starters:
    G - Russell Westbrook
    G - James Harden
    F - Kevin Durant
    F - Kawhi Leonard
    F/C - Anthony Davis

    Bench - Steph Curry, Chris Paul, DeMarcus Cousins, Draymond Green, Nikola Jokic, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Andrew Wiggins

    East
    Starters:
    G - Isaiah Thomas
    G - DeMar DeRozan
    F - Giannis Antetokounmpo
    F - LeBron James
    F/C - Kristaps Porzingis

    Bench - Avery Bradley, Jabari Parker, Kyrie Irving, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Joel Embiid, and Hassan Whiteside

    After years of the ASG teams feeling like a slam dunk, the league feels super stacked in terms of talent and I found it hard to narrow the teams down. I mostly tried to get the starters down to the guys who really deserve it and be a bit more biased on my bench. Also, I do feel like Irving should and will be a starter over DeRozan, but I would just much rather see Thomas/DeRozan vs Russy/Harden. I'm really expecting Durant, Harden and Westbrook to all start and it would be cool to see.

    Here's a list of guys that I left out, but are just as equally qualified and deserving.

    West: Marc Gasol, Wilson Chandler, CJ McCollum, Damian Lillard, Klay Thompson, Gordon Hayward, DeAndre Jordan, LaMarcus Aldridge, Steven Adams, Harrison Barnes, Rudy Gobert, Danilo Gallinari, Pau Gasol, Julius Randle, Mason Plumlee, Enes Kanter, and George Hill

    East: Nicolas Batum, Kevin Love, Paul Milsap, Al Horford, Myles Turner, Kyle Lowry, Jonas Valanciunas, Andre Drummond, and Carmelo Anthony

    Edit - George Hill would have totally made my west bench had he not missed so many games.
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    MVP Ladder

    1. Giannis
    2. Antetokounmpo
    3. Greek Freak
    4. #34 on the Bucks
    5. That guy who accidentally dunks when he goes for layups

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    I learned from WC two years ago that James Harden is shit and Kevin Love is a demigod.
    I really shouldn't be surprised that was your takeaway, but somehow I expected more from you. Oh well.

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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Suntan Superman View Post
    MVP Ladder

    1. Giannis
    2. Antetokounmpo
    3. Greek Freak
    4. #34 on the Bucks
    5. That guy who accidentally dunks when he goes for layups



    I really shouldn't be surprised that was your takeaway, but somehow I expected more from you. Oh well.
    I was being sarcastic. R-E-L-A-X. I made a shitty post(s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    I was being sarcastic. R-E-L-A-X. I made a shitty post(s).
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Apparently he went to Chicago? Whole thing is weird


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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    He's back at practice today so idk what the fuck was going on. So weird.


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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    I doubt it's the reason why he left, but it's like a move you pull if you desperately want off a team




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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Something about being with his kid and family in Chicago. I don't know if D-Rose is emotionally stable enough to play anymore. Not sure he can handle all the negativity that has come since April 2012. Gotta be rough for him; would be tough on anyone, really.
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    I love Embiid and even have grown to appreciate Love, but Jimmy being behind those two in the East All-Star voting is baffling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    I love Embiid and even have grown to appreciate Love, but Jimmy being behind those two in the East All-Star voting is baffling.
    The ASG voting has never made sense or really mattered. It's a big popularity contest remember?




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    lol Zaza lol


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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Will vote Pachulia every day until the lineups are official. The 25% media & 25% coaches means he won't go in though. Tears.

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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Just heard on Zach Lowe's podcast that the Sixers are +12 in 653 minutes with Embiid on the court. That's amazing.
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Yeah imagine their record if my Sixers Coaching Staff would play him every game instead a few at a time and one or two days off. I think the second half of the year they are going to have him roam free on the court and let's see how good this team looks especially if Ben Simmons gets on the court sometime this season. I think ESPN had them projected to win 20 games, and I think they will beat that easy with a 6-4 in their last ten. They've got a tough challenge though versus the Raptors tomorrow which will probably be a loss, but I'm happy at the progress of the team this season for sure.

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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    Nikola Mirotic is so fucking frustrating. Pick-and-pop with Deron Williams and Harrison Barnes and Mirotic leaves his man (Barnes) to trap D-Williams and sure enough Barnes drills a wide open 3. Then jacks up a contested 3-pointer that is short. Then gets lost on an iso the next possession against Williams and that turns the game from a 4-point lead to a 1-point deficit. All in the span of 3 straight possessions. Then to end it, he AGAIN gets lost on D iso against Williams and lets him blow by him, bringing D-Wade for help and leaving Wesley Matthews wide open for a go-ahead 3-pointer with 11 seconds left.

    Mirotic can't play crunch time anymore. He's atrocious on defense. Atrocious.
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    Re: January 2017 NBA Discussion

    It's hilarious because we all know how inept he is on defense but Fred is insistent on leaving him out there in crunch time. Just makes you go -_- and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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