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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    From what I read, he has moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and that's what is declaring it as its capital.

    And so in this case it's not even Trump, but as president and with everything he says and does, he's representing his country.

    But still, as much as I hate him and love to criticize his every move, I can't find anything yet on this one. I think it's good that we are making such an assertive move in support of Jurusalem, and I don't think we should be bullied by Palestine from making such moves.

    Jerusalem needs our support. I'm as actually surprised this is Trump making this move, but I think it's one of his better ones.
    Say what you will about Trump, but he said he was going to be pro-Israel from day 1 on the campaign trail and it appears he's keeping this promise.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Sully View Post
    From what I read, he has moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and that's what is declaring it as its capital.

    And so in this case it's not even Trump, but as president and with everything he says and does, he's representing his country.

    But still, as much as I hate him and love to criticize his every move, I can't find anything yet on this one. I think it's good that we are making such an assertive move in support of Jurusalem, and I don't think we should be bullied by Palestine from making such moves.

    Jerusalem needs our support. I'm as actually surprised this is Trump making this move, but I think it's one of his better ones.
    It depends on your stance on Isreal and Palestine s relations.

    Trump doing this is is causing tension in the Middle East.
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    There has been tension in the middle east since the dawn of time.

    This puts the rest of the world on notice and lets them know if you mess with Israel, you mess with America.

    Having Christian beliefs, supporting Israel in any way possible is what we should do.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Dakstang View Post
    There has been tension in the middle east since the dawn of time.

    This puts the rest of the world on notice and lets them know if you mess with Israel, you mess with America.

    Having Christian beliefs, supporting Israel in any way possible is what we should do.
    I can't agree with this.

    He's causing a shit storm. Palestinians is a poor country overshadowed by Isreal. They have cut fresh water off from Palestine during Ramadan. What the fuck is that shit?
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    I can't agree with this.

    He's causing a shit storm. Palestinians is a poor country overshadowed by Isreal. They have cut fresh water off from Palestine during Ramadan. What the fuck is that shit?
    We will never agree on this.

    If Palestinians are constantly attacking Israel and such I don't know what they are expected to do.

    Just because they are richer and more technologically advanced they are supposed to do nothing?

    They are lucky they even exist at this point.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Palestine has routinely terrorized Israel for simply wanting to exist. Israel has offered Palestine many chances for peace and land deals and Palestine always rejects them as they do not recognize Israel's right to even be.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Let's not turn this into a debate cause neither's gonna win. Both sides are as bad as each other in the conflict. Place is fucked.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Wasn't the land that Isreal controls once Palestines?
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    Wasn't the land that Isreal controls once Palestines?
    Yes.

    Just a note that if we are going down religious route, the land of Palestine was known as "Judea" at the time. Jesus was born in present-day Palestine fwiw - but it was different back then.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    Wasn't the land that Isreal controls once Palestines?
    Yes and no. There were two Jewish states that existed there before and they were always invaded by the surrounded Arab countries and taken over. Israel was granted statehood by the UN in 1947-8 and has been fighting with Palestine and the surrounding countries ever since.

    Israel eventually made peace with Egypt in the '70s and gave them back land to keep the peace and has made the same offer to Palestine a few times. Obviously, Israel has done shitty things as well, but at the end of the day they just want to exist. They're the only Jewish state and there's I believe 22 Arab ones.
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    Yes.

    Just a note that if we are going down religious route, the land of Palestine was known as "Judea" at the time. Jesus was born in present-day Palestine fwiw - but it was different back then.
    And basically the UN gave this land away to what is now Isreal?

    So basically it's like someone taking over your house and allowing someone else to live there and you get a room in the house? If this a simplified picture of it, I can understand Palestines side of things.

    This is actually a question. I'm not baiting or anything
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by indyfan View Post
    And basically the UN gave this land away to what is now Isreal?

    So basically it's like someone taking over your house and allowing someone else to live there and you get a room in the house? If this a simplified picture of it, I can understand Palestines side of things.

    This is actually a question? I'm not baiting or anything
    The land that was Palestine was originally split into two states: A Jewish one and an Arab one. Israel was attacked on day 1 and after surviving seized the land and it's basically been as you descried ever since. It wasn't meant to be that way.

    Israel has offered as I said before to give Palestine land and recognize it as a separate state, but Palestine always rejects the offer.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Palestine rejects that offer because the land offered is paltry compared to the land taken/occupied by Israel. Infact, Palestine has actually conceded land iirc already.

    I am fairly certain that Israel has a bunch of unreasonable demands to go with their offer. It's basically an offer made to stop Palestine being a sovereign state and to strengthen Israel should any disagreements occur in future. It's not a fair offer by any means. That's why you have this dumb ass conflict. Israel are only trying to benefit themselves with a peace agreement.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Its all very complicated and a subject I can't harp on Trump about, nor agree with him about as I really just don't know enough about it.

    As for the abortion debate, abortion is complicated. I'm pro choice but I also think there are limits. Though planned parenthood and clinics getting funding is extremely important.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Israel has offered Palestine statehood three times. They have made other deals that didn't include statehood, but Palestine isn't interested in any negotiations with Israel.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RainShaker View Post
    Palestine rejects that offer because the land offered is paltry compared to the land taken/occupied by Israel. Infact, Palestine has actually conceded land iirc already.

    I am fairly certain that Israel has a bunch of unreasonable demands to go with their offer. It's basically an offer made to stop Palestine being a sovereign state and to strengthen Israel should any disagreements occur in future. It's not a fair offer by any means. That's why you have this dumb ass conflict. Israel are only trying to benefit themselves with a peace agreement.
    That was the impression I always got from my pro Palestine friends.
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    If we want to go down the religious route God says that Israel is his chosen people.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Almost every "late-term abortion" is a critical medical emergency by the way. No hospital worth their salt would terminate a baby in the third trimester because the mother changed her mind. Late abortions are near universally because the mother is at extreme risk of death, or because the baby is going to die anyway.

    So no, those shouldn't go anywhere. That sort of painting with wide strokes is the sort of shit conservatives get mad about when they hear "ban all guns." It's not being fair to the complexity of the issue.



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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Panther View Post
    Almost every "late-term abortion" is a critical medical emergency by the way. No hospital worth their salt would terminate a baby in the third trimester because the mother changed her mind. Late abortions are near universally because the mother is at extreme risk of death, or because the baby is going to die anyway.

    So no, those shouldn't go anywhere. That sort of painting with wide strokes is the sort of shit conservatives get mad about when they hear "ban all guns." It's not being fair to the complexity of the issue.
    I think most people are saying medical necessities are perfectly acceptable. They're just saying take "near universally" and "almost every" and make that "all late-term" are because of risk of harm to mother or child. Just my hunch.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Smarkslayer View Post
    I think most people are saying medical necessities are perfectly acceptable. They're just saying take "near universally" and "almost every" and make that "all late-term" are because of risk of harm to mother or child. Just my hunch.
    If that's the case they're trying to solve a problem that's already been solved.

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