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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PowerfulCoxatron View Post
    Right and I can see this being bothersome. But it goes deeper than that. What was the cross-section on work ethics and productivity? The woman I described has been working here for 15 years and is less productive than a downed log. Just blindly saying there's a gap isn't the appropriate way to discuss a wage gap. And that's not directed at you specifically, just at the way this thing is always presented.

    If she was working there for 30 years and people with less tenure was making more that just sounds like inflation. Her company probably isn't obligated to bump her pay to match what everything gets inflated to. If she's getting a generic 2% raise every year, over many years, by the time the minimum wage hikes the people in the door will be close to her pay-grade. Then from there does she have a supervisory position? Does she have extraordinary responsibility compared to these newer people or is it all the same relative base level?

    For the second example was the job something where education was actually relevant? Or was it a gas station and she just happened to have a gen ed? Sure they sent her to training but did she complete it successfully? Why would they send a woman to train for a job and then not promote her because she's a woman? If she was trained for the job did they not spend resources training her like they apparently did for the guy? I see this all the time where I work. People get put into the training program and then go no where. Some are flat out bad, others get passed over because outside help is brought in because they know someone in the company with pull. That's not a wage or sexism issue. If anything it borders on nepotism but that doesn't directly create a wage gap in the sense it gets discussed.

    This is why I find it to be a fascinating subject because there's so many variables involved and I'm curious the depth that it really goes.
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    My mother in law worked at a graphics factory.

    Education can play a huge role in factory/warehouse jobs. Some positions require vocational degrees and diplomas. However, some organizations can train an employee on the job enough to perform certain tasks. However, neither had the trade school training.
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PowerfulCoxatron View Post
    The pay thing is very intriguing to me. I know what it's like for the company I work for and it certainly can't be extrapolated to cover every single example. I literally just had to listen to a woman that's worked for the company for like 15 years express how upset she is about her pay. She said she thinks she deserves more than other people because of tenure, even though the company doesn't structure pay that way. She's also one of the laziest people I've ever met. She works in a department by herself that does jackshit in terms of business. Her job consists of working 2.5 to 3 skids in an 8 hour shift and doing an order. She was given a part-timer to help her after she complained about never having help. She refuses to unload her freight truck, which again only consists of a couple skids. So one of the guys has to completely stop what they're doing, no matter how busy, to unload her truck. She stands and watches and dictates where things get put and makes demands on how it's done. For comparison, in one of the top stores in our district, her same department is run by a single guy. He's in a bigger store and carries way, way, way more product than she does. He does at least 3x the business and he doesn't even have help like she does. He unloads his truck, works his truck and even gets pulled into different areas in the store because THAT department isn't even considered a high-functioning department. Literally anyone can do it.

    I work the same amount of skids out in 2 hours. On top of a whole different level of labor that needs done for my department and orders.

    Is it sexist for her to request help from a man because she "can't" unload the truck herself? Is it sexist to say that if she wants more money she needs to step up and starting doing stuff like that herself? Is it sexist to be annoyed that I get pulled away from my department, which does 5 times the business hers does, just to do a facet of her job for her despite her complaining she isn't paid enough? Is it sexist that a man does the exact same job under worse and more stressful circumstances and makes less than her and has no help?

    I realize this is separate from the Trump specific thoughts but considering the climate we're in culturally I feel like this is a conversation that is going to be happening a lot more now. I've never read any specific studies but what are they all accounting for? Is it just a general census on what women are making compared to men? Because if there isn't a designation between something like what I described and a corporate employee the data seems destined to be skewed. I think the discussion on the "gap" always gets painted as predominantly a corporate conversation where people picture women being harassed daily and unable to advance and whatnot. And I'm not suggesting those situations don't exist and that they aren't valid points of discussion, but the entire conversation really intrigues me. That's one example I can give at a store level baseline and isn't even the only one.

    Like most issues I feel like there's no middle-ground to actually talk about this on. People either say it exists or doesn't exist.
    I get what you're trying to say here, but in this case, your jobs management is just straight up irresponsible. It would not be sexist for them to replace this woman IF she isn't pulling her own weight and there is concrete evidence to back it up.

    It's not sexist to replace or fire her because she's not able to complete the requirements of the job. It IS sexist to fire her because the team believes that a man would be better suited to do the job and would do it in a quicker manner. If your management team has allowed for her to get away with not working as hard as the others in her department, then they are just irresponsible and complacent.

    TLDR: That's not really a good example of the pay-gap arguement. It's just a really good example of compalcent and irresponsible management.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Kid View Post
    I get what you're trying to say here, but in this case, your jobs management is just straight up irresponsible. It would not be sexist for them to replace this woman IF she isn't pulling her own weight and there is concrete evidence to back it up.

    It's not sexist to replace or fire her because she's not able to complete the requirements of the job. It IS sexist to fire her because the team believes that a man would be better suited to do the job and would do it in a quicker manner. If your management team has allowed for her to get away with not working as hard as the others in her department, then they are just irresponsible and complacent.

    TLDR: That's not really a good example of the pay-gap arguement. It's just a really good example of compalcent and irresponsible management.
    I accept this and trust me our management is horrible. But they have this attitude out of fear that they'll be labeled sexist. I'd argue that goes along with being poor management, having a fear of making decisions based on reactions.

    I presented this mostly as an aside with relevance because, while not specifically saying anyone was sexist, she did say if she was a man she'd make more. Which is why i posed this flavor of the conversation.

    That example wasn't actually under the umbrella of what the wage gap really discusses. But it is certainly an offshoot of the conversation. So where I'm intrigued in a social study sense is how the main issue fragments and then traces back. Meaning that example unfolds and is labeled as such by the woman involved and then the overall conversation potentially gets distilled down and that's where the data of the conversation interests me.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    What's the point of making that point? Are you suggesting that because women sometimes get favorable treatment from the courts that they should be paid less then men? I'm assuming not, in which case, there's no logical reason to bring it up.

    Sexism is wrong. There should not be a wage gap, and women should be tried equally to men. These are both problems, one is not less of an issue because of the existence of the other.

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    Okay. Fair enough.

    You still haven't explained what that "Tap Tap Tap" means, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenwo2 View Post
    Okay. Fair enough.

    You still haven't explained what that "Tap Tap Tap" means, though.
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    Pretty sure that means she's posting it thru TapaTalk


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Ya what those two said. It's basically my built in excuse for typos or dumb shorthand.



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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    So many people get worked by tapatalk. It's amazing.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    It also means she's not cool enough to be enjoying a plate of Pulpo Gallego.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Swamps View Post
    She is texting from the App, I believe. That's her signature from her mobile.
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Papa View Post
    Pretty sure that means she's posting it thru TapaTalk

    Quote Originally Posted by Silk View Post
    Ya what those two said. It's basically my built in excuse for typos or dumb shorthand.
    Ah okay. Didn't know that.





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    So many people get worked by tapatalk. It's amazing.

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    I am not getting worked. I didn't know what that was. I thought it was a sig of some sort(which it turns out it was, as she pointed out).

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    speaking of death, there might be some more in PR over the weekend. but remember guys, dont feel bad for them. they want everything done for them and are getting their just desserts.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    This thread and the "Mental Health Discussion" thread need to be merged together.


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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Look on the bright side guys, he will have to step down after two terms, unlike some other presidents I know... (But seriously, a bad president is a bad president regardless of the terms, wishing you guys the best.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden One View Post
    This thread and the "Mental Health Discussion" thread need to be merged together.
    That would make sense!
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    So if Trump is doing the rounds in Asia...will any of the crazy lot in Asia target him?
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    So apparently in Trumps eyes what happened to Puerto Rico is not a catastrophe. Is this guy drunk and he brings up Katrina wanting to compare death tolls the stupidity of this man for real. If I was the guy on the right of him I would of said you know Mr.President in all due respect you're surely wrong about that and I find you highly disrespectful to say such a stupid thing like that to the Puerto Rican people.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Kairi HoHo View Post


    So apparently in Trumps eyes what happened to Puerto Rico is not a catastrophe. Is this guy drunk and he brings up Katrina wanting to compare death tolls the stupidity of this man for real. If I was the guy on the right of him I would of said you know Mr.President in all due respect you're surely wrong about that and I find you highly disrespectful to say such a stupid thing like that to the Puerto Rican people.
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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    It's funny, I get what he's trying to go for. He's trying to compliment the relief efforts and say that because of the hard work from those involved in the relief efforts, it wasn't a Katrina-level catastrophe.

    But because it's Trump and he's a mentally unstable old man, he says it in a very tactless, stupid way that almost sounds like he's celebrating 16 people dying.

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    Re: The President Trump Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shock View Post
    It's funny, I get what he's trying to go for. He's trying to compliment the relief efforts and say that because of the hard work from those involved in the relief efforts, it wasn't a Katrina-level catastrophe.

    But because it's Trump and he's a mentally unstable old man, he says it in a very tactless, stupid way that almost sounds like he's celebrating 16 people dying.

    If that is what he's saying, and I'm not disputing that, he needs someone to write his stuff and practice his speeches and Q& A.

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